From jquigley at cleversafe.com Fri Dec 1 11:58:57 2006 From: jquigley at cleversafe.com (John Quigley) Date: Fri Dec 1 12:05:27 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Meetings? In-Reply-To: <456EE910.9060303@bluehatsecurity.com> References: <456EE910.9060303@bluehatsecurity.com> Message-ID: <45706D61.4000203@cleversafe.com> Clint Laskowski wrote: > Hi, I started to search the 'net but didn't find any a specifics, so ... > could someone tell me if the Chicago or Northern Illinios Lisp groups > are still active, when and where they meet, and/or how I can learn more? > I haven't found to many Lisp folks in Milwaukee, so I'm interested in > what is going on nearby (maybe I should check out Madison, too). Thanks. The Chicago Lisp group is under active development. Coincidentally, we're having our first physical meeting tomorrow, right in downtown Chicago (contact me off-list if you want details, as I've already sent out notifications about that meeting to this list earlier in the week). Our mailing list is currently located at: http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/chicago-lisp We don't have a web page at the moment, but I'm looking to correct that in the near term. Regards, John Quigley http://www.jquigley.com/ From knura at yahoo.com Sat Dec 2 19:12:52 2006 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun K. Khan) Date: Sat Dec 2 07:43:11 2006 Subject: [LUNI] [FYI] openSUSE 10.2 RC5 - goldmastered Message-ID: <1165066972.6159.0.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> FWIW, openSUSE 10.2 RC5 is goldmastered to be released 7/Dec/06. I have installed RC1 on AMD64, Intel Dual Core, Intel Mobile. Overall it looks good - OpenOffice 2.0.4, KDE 3.5.5, GNOME 2.16. -- Arun Khan -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Andreas Jaeger > Reply-To: opensuse@opensuse.org > To: opensuse-announce@opensuse.org > Subject: [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 10.2 is done > Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 07:30:04 +0100 > > We've mastered yesterday openSUSE 10.2 RC5 and declared it as > goldmaster. > > Looking at the comments on the opensuse mailing list and on the > websites I hear that 10.2 could become a "great distribution". I hope > it does and like to thank all of you for your part in it, especially > for: > * Translating software in even more languages than before > * Testing openSUSE 10.2 > * Reporting bugs and fixes > * Maintaining packages in our openSUSE build service that got synced > into the distribution (I know the sync is a manual process now and > I'm looking forward to improvements) > * Helping others testing 10.2 > * Suggestions on how to improve 10.2 > > Our build folks have created the first set of ISO images and will > continue to create all of them - and the complete ftp distribution - > early next week. We'll start syncing soon the images to the ftp > mirrors so that they have all files on thursday, 7th December, for the > announcement. > > CD production is starting now and I hope to see some shiny green > openSUSE 10.2 boxes on the shelves before Christmas. > > There are still a lot of bugs open for 10.2 and I'm sure real usage > over the time will find some more. We will release via online update > security updates for 10.2 as usual and release also the most severe > bug fixes. But most bug fixes will only be done for 10.3, our next > release coming out next summer. ... snip ... From mswier at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 16:19:15 2006 From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier) Date: Sun Dec 3 18:19:34 2006 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 12/5/06 Message-ID: <20061204001915.27239.qmail@web57014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi, NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A242 at 7pm on Tuesday 12/5/06. For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/httpd/html/meetings.html#nextmtg mikie -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From skie at dragonsvalley.com Mon Dec 4 13:26:05 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Mon Dec 4 13:24:57 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Need help determining what's causing a server to be slow Message-ID: <200612041326.06237.skie@dragonsvalley.com> I've recently put together 2 new servers to replace older existing ones. However, whenever these new servers do any kind of disk intensive access, they seem to fall flat on their faces to the point where they're at times unresponsive (for example, untarring a 1GB tar file). The only thing I can think of is that something isn't configured right as they should basically blow away the older servers that I'm using. Even doing a simple operation like ls in a director that only had 10 files takes forever. Whenever I've noticed the unresponsiveness, the load tends to be around 4 - 8 with the IO Wait (as reported by top) is anywhere from 80% - 100% for 1 or both CPU's. I'm wondering if the bottleneck is the RAID card or the driver for the card. I'm also wondering if the PCI-X slot (that the RAID card is plugged into) may be the bottleneck. Some info on these servers: Dual core Opteron 180, 4GB RAM, 3ware 9550SX RAID card, CentOS 4.4 64bit, WD 2 Caviar RE SATA 3.0G/s drive in RAID 1, Supermicro H8SSL-i motherboard. CentOS 4.4 comes with the 3ware drivers as part of the install CD so I didn't think I needed to install them separately. However, the actual file is much smaller then the one provided by 3ware (53K as opposed to the 313K version offered by 3ware). Is the included one just a basic driver? 3ware seems to offer open source drivers, so I don't see why the included one would be any different then the official one. When I do an hdparm -tT /dev/sda, the results look pretty good (at least compared to the IDE drives I've been using). However, this is my first time using SATA drives, so I don't have anything to compare with. If anyone has any SATA drives, can you let me know if these results are good or bad? /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 3772 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1884.40 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 190 MB in 3.00 seconds = 63.26 MB/sec I've used 3wares' 3DM2 utility to set the RAID card to performance mode, but that doesn't seem to have helped much, if any. I'm also wondering if the PCI-X slot is the bottleneck. I'm pretty sure it can't do the full 3.0Gb/s, but I would think it can come close. Any thoughts or ideas that I can look into? Right now, my 3 year old servers with IDE drives and software RAID are out performing the new servers when under load or doing heavy disk access. I know they can do better, but I just can't seem to find out what the problem is. From ramin-list at badapple.net Mon Dec 4 16:12:55 2006 From: ramin-list at badapple.net (Ramin K) Date: Mon Dec 4 18:11:02 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Need help determining what's causing a server to be slow In-Reply-To: <200612041326.06237.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200612041326.06237.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <4574B987.7020701@badapple.net> Branko Kotur wrote: > I've recently put together 2 new servers to replace older existing ones. > However, whenever these new servers do any kind of disk intensive access, > they seem to fall flat on their faces to the point where they're at times > unresponsive (for example, untarring a 1GB tar file). The only thing I can > think of is that something isn't configured right as they should basically > blow away the older servers that I'm using. Even doing a simple operation > like ls in a director that only had 10 files takes forever. > > Whenever I've noticed the unresponsiveness, the load tends to be around 4 - 8 > with the IO Wait (as reported by top) is anywhere from 80% - 100% for 1 or > both CPU's. I'm wondering if the bottleneck is the RAID card or the driver > for the card. I'm also wondering if the PCI-X slot (that the RAID card is > plugged into) may be the bottleneck. > > Some info on these servers: > > Dual core Opteron 180, 4GB RAM, 3ware 9550SX RAID card, CentOS 4.4 64bit, WD 2 > Caviar RE SATA 3.0G/s drive in RAID 1, Supermicro H8SSL-i motherboard. > > CentOS 4.4 comes with the 3ware drivers as part of the install CD so I didn't > think I needed to install them separately. However, the actual file is much > smaller then the one provided by 3ware (53K as opposed to the 313K version > offered by 3ware). Is the included one just a basic driver? 3ware seems to > offer open source drivers, so I don't see why the included one would be any > different then the official one. libata has been a fairly quick moving target. It's possible that your current kernel has an older version which has issues. I've seen similar behavior on SI SATA cards that switched chipsets on us between revisions. Ramin From skie at dragonsvalley.com Mon Dec 4 18:36:50 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Mon Dec 4 18:35:31 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Need help determining what's causing a server to be slow In-Reply-To: <4574B987.7020701@badapple.net> References: <200612041326.06237.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <4574B987.7020701@badapple.net> Message-ID: <200612041836.50789.skie@dragonsvalley.com> On Monday 04 December 2006 6:12 pm, Ramin K wrote: > libata has been a fairly quick moving target. It's possible that your > current kernel has an older version which has issues. I've seen similar > behavior on SI SATA cards that switched chipsets on us between revisions. > > Ramin I'm currently using the latest version of CentOS which I believe is based on RedHat Enterprise Linux 4 Update 4. I had upgrade to the lastest kernel which is 2.6.9-42.0.3.ELsmp. From what I've seen, 3ware support wasn't available directly from CentOS until a few months ago (I'd guess at half a year or so). CentOS 4.3 was apparently the first to offer it, but not initially. As far as I can tell, everything is up to date, unless the version the CentOS team is using is out of date. From m.mccune at comcast.net Wed Dec 6 18:15:03 2006 From: m.mccune at comcast.net (m.mccune@comcast.net) Date: Wed Dec 6 12:15:18 2006 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: WCLUG Meeting on First Thursday of the Month. Message-ID: <120620061815.6578.457708A70003EDB4000019B222058891160A029A0C0C03D203@comcast.net> Letizia's has been a great host for many years but it has been hard to find seats lately. We will discuss whether to move to a new location. The new location should have power, free wifi and plenty of seating. Contact me off list with suggestions for a new venue. I can be reached at m.mccune at comcast dot net or mjmccune at sbcglobal dot net. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Windy City Linux Users Group Meeting Date: Thursday, November 7, 2006 Time: 7:00PM - 9:30PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Windy City Linux Users Group (http://wclug.org) WCLUG is also listed on TechVenue.com (http://calendars.techvenue.com/cgi-bin/techvenue.pl?CalendarName=USMidwest) and Tech Social (http://www.techsocial.com) @ Letizia's Natural Bakery (http://www.superyummy.com) 2144 West Division Chicago phone: 773-342-1011 Letizia's has excellent food and beverages, available for purchase. We have a one-drink minimum, in exchange for the great location. -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From skie at dragonsvalley.com Wed Dec 6 23:38:15 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Wed Dec 6 23:36:38 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Need help determining what's causing a server to be slow - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200612041326.06237.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200612041326.06237.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <200612062338.16048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Just wanted to update anyone in case this came up again in some obscure way. I had initially disabled write caching since the RAID card complained that I could lose data since I didn't have a Battery Backup Unit installed on the card. I wanted to be safe rather then sorry even though there were UPS's for the servers. After enabling write caching and doing some tests, the problems pretty much disappeared and the servers are now operating at their full potential. On Monday 04 December 2006 1:26 pm, Branko Kotur wrote: > I've recently put together 2 new servers to replace older existing ones. > However, whenever these new servers do any kind of disk intensive access, > they seem to fall flat on their faces to the point where they're at times > unresponsive (for example, untarring a 1GB tar file). The only thing I can > think of is that something isn't configured right as they should basically > blow away the older servers that I'm using. Even doing a simple operation > like ls in a director that only had 10 files takes forever. > > Whenever I've noticed the unresponsiveness, the load tends to be around 4 - > 8 with the IO Wait (as reported by top) is anywhere from 80% - 100% for 1 > or both CPU's. I'm wondering if the bottleneck is the RAID card or the > driver for the card. I'm also wondering if the PCI-X slot (that the RAID > card is plugged into) may be the bottleneck. > > Some info on these servers: > > Dual core Opteron 180, 4GB RAM, 3ware 9550SX RAID card, CentOS 4.4 64bit, > WD 2 Caviar RE SATA 3.0G/s drive in RAID 1, Supermicro H8SSL-i motherboard. > > CentOS 4.4 comes with the 3ware drivers as part of the install CD so I > didn't think I needed to install them separately. However, the actual file > is much smaller then the one provided by 3ware (53K as opposed to the 313K > version offered by 3ware). Is the included one just a basic driver? 3ware > seems to offer open source drivers, so I don't see why the included one > would be any different then the official one. > > When I do an hdparm -tT /dev/sda, the results look pretty good (at least > compared to the IDE drives I've been using). However, this is my first > time using SATA drives, so I don't have anything to compare with. If > anyone has any SATA drives, can you let me know if these results are good > or bad? > > /dev/sda: > Timing cached reads: 3772 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1884.40 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 190 MB in 3.00 seconds = 63.26 MB/sec > > I've used 3wares' 3DM2 utility to set the RAID card to performance mode, > but that doesn't seem to have helped much, if any. I'm also wondering if > the PCI-X slot is the bottleneck. I'm pretty sure it can't do the full > 3.0Gb/s, but I would think it can come close. > > Any thoughts or ideas that I can look into? Right now, my 3 year old > servers with IDE drives and software RAID are out performing the new > servers when under load or doing heavy disk access. I know they can do > better, but I just can't seem to find out what the problem is. From luni at pyewacket.org Thu Dec 7 11:19:47 2006 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Thu Dec 7 12:23:06 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Ever bought from "UPS For Less"? Message-ID: <20061207111947.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.c53d61eefc.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I was looking for a small rack-mount APC UPS for home and came across this web site: http://www.upsforless.com They sell new and refurbished UPS systems. I got a 1KVA 2U APC SU1000RM2U for $200.00. This is a refurb unit, but it is fully tested, with new batteries, and a 1 year warranty. The APC replacement for it SUA1000RM2U lists for $580 new and the best price I could find was $443 from ProVantage. I'll let you know how it works out. - Mike Scott From rick.munday at bananaskin.com Thu Dec 7 12:46:43 2006 From: rick.munday at bananaskin.com (Rick Munday) Date: Thu Dec 7 12:58:33 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Ever bought from "UPS For Less"? In-Reply-To: <20061207111947.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.c53d61eefc.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200612071821.kB7IL4b06265@espresso.bananaskin.com> Nice find Mike!!! Please do post back with a follow up. -----Original Message----- I was looking for a small rack-mount APC UPS for home and came across this web site: http://www.upsforless.com From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Sun Dec 10 13:44:51 2006 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean-lynch@sean-lynch.com) Date: Sun Dec 10 15:28:24 2006 Subject: [LUNI] new luni meeting places Message-ID: No Friction Cafe is located at about 2100 N California, 1 block north of Armitage. They are usually open until 8:00, but I know the owner she may make an exception. The baked goods aren't as good as letizia's, but the deli sandwiches are fantastic. MoJo's cafe at 2849 w Belmont is great and open till 9:00 on weeknights. Both have wireless Sean From sjk at cupacoffee.net Sun Dec 10 15:36:15 2006 From: sjk at cupacoffee.net (sjk) Date: Sun Dec 10 15:56:33 2006 Subject: [LUNI] new luni meeting places In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok -- shameless plug: I would like to offer up our coffeehouse: Free Wifi, great coffee and sandwiches; all baking is done on premise. We have plenty of room - several large tables, as well as sofas, etc. During the week we are usually open till 8, but often stay till 10 for different groups. Pickacup Coffee 1813 Dempster St. Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2834 On Sun, 10 Dec 2006, sean-lynch@sean-lynch.com wrote: > No Friction Cafe is located at about 2100 N California, 1 block north of > Armitage. They are usually open until 8:00, but I know the owner she may make > an exception. > > The baked goods aren't as good as letizia's, but the deli sandwiches are > fantastic. > > > MoJo's cafe at 2849 w Belmont is great and open till 9:00 on weeknights. > > Both have wireless > > Sean > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > ------------------------------------- http://www.auroraliberty.com sjk@cupacoffee.net No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir From larry at garfieldtech.com Sun Dec 10 16:05:52 2006 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) Date: Sun Dec 10 16:06:07 2006 Subject: [LUNI] new luni meeting places In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612101605.53180.larry@garfieldtech.com> Well being in Evanston means you're in my neighborhood, so I'd be more likely to show up. :-) On Sunday 10 December 2006 15:36, sjk wrote: > Ok -- shameless plug: > > I would like to offer up our coffeehouse: Free Wifi, great coffee and > sandwiches; all baking is done on premise. We have plenty of room - > several large tables, as well as sofas, etc. During the week we are > usually open till 8, but often stay till 10 for different groups. > > Pickacup Coffee > 1813 Dempster St. > Evanston, IL 60201 > 847.332.2834 > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2006, sean-lynch@sean-lynch.com wrote: > > No Friction Cafe is located at about 2100 N California, 1 block north of > > Armitage. They are usually open until 8:00, but I know the owner she may > > make an exception. > > > > The baked goods aren't as good as letizia's, but the deli sandwiches are > > fantastic. > > > > > > MoJo's cafe at 2849 w Belmont is great and open till 9:00 on weeknights. > > > > Both have wireless > > > > Sean > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > ------------------------------------- > http://www.auroraliberty.com > sjk@cupacoffee.net > No one can understand the truth until > he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. > ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson From brian at planetshwoop.com Sun Dec 10 19:31:12 2006 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Sun Dec 10 19:30:58 2006 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: This Thursday is a UFO Thursday! Message-ID: <457CB4E0.9010305@planetshwoop.com> A friendly reminder that this Thursday is our usual meeting time for the Users of Free Operating Systems Chicago (UFO-Chicago), a open source and linux enthusiast group. We meet at the UFO Clubhouse (aka the Golden Nugget) at 4229 W Irving Park. The fun gets started at 8pm. For more details about us, check out the website: http://ufo.chicago.il.us/ -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From luni at pyewacket.org Mon Dec 11 17:07:00 2006 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Mon Dec 11 18:07:16 2006 Subject: [LUNI] UPS for Less update Message-ID: <20061211170700.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.74d9782816.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Well, the unit arrived today (not bad considering the FedEx site had it scheduled for this Thursday). I placed the order online last Thursday and it shipped from their facility on Friday. They emailed the tracking numbers when it shipped. It is in excellent condition and was very well packed. Double cardboard box with conformal foam and bands around the whole thing. I had to cut one piece of foam as it wrapped around the rack ears, but no biggie. I connected the battery and powered it up (currently charging) and it appears functional. No manuals, but that's what APCC's web site is for. I downloaded the PDF for the unit, but I had to email APC tech support for the manual on the AP9606 web management card since what their web site lists as the link for the manual is a ZIP file with a single page PDF of the VCCI conformance document. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I was looking for a small rack-mount APC UPS for home and came across this web site: http://www.upsforless.com They sell new and refurbished UPS systems. I got a 1KVA 2U APC SU1000RM2U for $200.00. This is a refurb unit, but it is fully tested, with new batteries, and a 1 year warranty. The APC replacement for it SUA1000RM2U lists for $580 new and the best price I could find was $443 from ProVantage. I'll let you know how it works out. - Mike Scott From mark at msbrepairs.com Mon Dec 11 18:59:27 2006 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Mon Dec 11 19:00:06 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd Message-ID: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> Any suggestions for recording about 30min or more of audio through jack + jamin and then burning the result to cd in a few simple steps ? I am currently using ardour, but it involves too many steps to get to the wav file. Tried timemachine (great program, but saves data in an uncommon form of wav or w64 file which seems incompatible with k3b or gnomeburner) Audacity is still problematic with Jack (at least on ubuntu it is) Rezound stalls trying to redraw the waveform on large files. Maybe there is a command line option where I can convert from w64 to a raw file and then burn it ? Would be great if the burning software could include an option to read from an audio stream ! From ceo at l-i-e.com Mon Dec 11 19:18:50 2006 From: ceo at l-i-e.com (Richard Lynch) Date: Mon Dec 11 19:18:56 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> On Mon, December 11, 2006 6:59 pm, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > Any suggestions for recording about 30min or more of audio through > jack > + jamin and then burning the result to cd in a few simple steps ? I don't know nothing about jack or jamin, but I do record audio for hours on end every night with Linux... We pretty much just use "record" which is a command line tool that takes the audio straight from the sound card to the hard drive at CD quality. It's pretty much a no-brainer: record -o filename You get an ASCII art 2-channel output of what's going to the hard drive. You can skip to a new file by hitting "N" so you can turn them into tracks on the CD. After you quit, you'll have: filename000.wav filenamn001.wav filename002.wav . . . with a new file number for each time you hit "N" Then just use "cdrecord" to burn the CDs -- or "burncd" I think also works fine. cdrecord is a bit involved, in that you have to specify the CD drive and you have to give it permission to "pad" the audio files out to an even multiple of [mumble some silly number] so it can be a RedBook CD: cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -pad -eject filename*.wav dev will be like 0,0,0 or 0,0,1 or 0,0,2 or... 0,0,7 or 0,1,0 or 0,1,1... It's the SCSI system of numbering. Ooooh. And you have to add the Linux ide-scsi thingie. /sbin/insmod ide-scsi But that's a "do it once and forget it" type of thing. Note that the -pad option will add some digital silence to the audio files to "pad" them out to make them the even multiple required by audio CDs. I think newer versions of "record" might have a "T" key or something where it will force the break to happen at an even multiple, so that no padding is needed... I believe I have linked to all of these tools and have a bit more info here: http://uncommonground.com/sound.htm > I am currently using ardour, but it involves too many steps to get to > the wav file. > > Tried timemachine (great program, but saves data in an uncommon form > of > wav or w64 file which seems incompatible with k3b or gnomeburner) Is w64 64-bit wav??? > Audacity is still problematic with Jack (at least on ubuntu it is) > > Rezound stalls trying to redraw the waveform on large files. > > Maybe there is a command line option where I can convert from w64 to a > raw file and then burn it ? sox would almost for sure convert w64 to regular wav. sox converts damn near any audio format to whatever you want. > Would be great if the burning software could include an option to read > from an audio stream ! This would generally lead to buffering overrun/underrun problems somewhere in the chain... Maybe on super-high-end hardware with lots of tweaking and a ton of research, you can make it work, but I wouldn't recommend you head down this path... -- Some people have a "gift" link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? From mark at msbrepairs.com Mon Dec 11 19:37:11 2006 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Mon Dec 11 19:37:48 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> Message-ID: <457E07C7.6080906@msbrepairs.com> Wow, thanks for that reply Richard. I will try record and see if it will even work underneath jack. Great reply !! Richard Lynch wrote: > On Mon, December 11, 2006 6:59 pm, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > >> Any suggestions for recording about 30min or more of audio through >> jack >> + jamin and then burning the result to cd in a few simple steps ? >> > > I don't know nothing about jack or jamin, but I do record audio for > hours on end every night with Linux... > > We pretty much just use "record" which is a command line tool that > takes the audio straight from the sound card to the hard drive at CD > quality. > > It's pretty much a no-brainer: > record -o filename > > You get an ASCII art 2-channel output of what's going to the hard drive. > > You can skip to a new file by hitting "N" so you can turn them into > tracks on the CD. > > After you quit, you'll have: > filename000.wav > filenamn001.wav > filename002.wav > . > . > . > with a new file number for each time you hit "N" > > Then just use "cdrecord" to burn the CDs -- or "burncd" I think also > works fine. > > cdrecord is a bit involved, in that you have to specify the CD drive > and you have to give it permission to "pad" the audio files out to an > even multiple of [mumble some silly number] so it can be a RedBook CD: > > cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -pad -eject filename*.wav > > dev will be like 0,0,0 or 0,0,1 or 0,0,2 or... 0,0,7 or 0,1,0 or 0,1,1... > > It's the SCSI system of numbering. > > Ooooh. And you have to add the Linux ide-scsi thingie. > /sbin/insmod ide-scsi > > But that's a "do it once and forget it" type of thing. > > Note that the -pad option will add some digital silence to the audio > files to "pad" them out to make them the even multiple required by > audio CDs. I think newer versions of "record" might have a "T" key or > something where it will force the break to happen at an even multiple, > so that no padding is needed... > > > I believe I have linked to all of these tools and have a bit more info > here: > http://uncommonground.com/sound.htm > > >> I am currently using ardour, but it involves too many steps to get to >> the wav file. >> >> Tried timemachine (great program, but saves data in an uncommon form >> of >> wav or w64 file which seems incompatible with k3b or gnomeburner) >> > > Is w64 64-bit wav??? > > >> Audacity is still problematic with Jack (at least on ubuntu it is) >> >> Rezound stalls trying to redraw the waveform on large files. >> >> Maybe there is a command line option where I can convert from w64 to a >> raw file and then burn it ? >> > > sox would almost for sure convert w64 to regular wav. > > sox converts damn near any audio format to whatever you want. > > >> Would be great if the burning software could include an option to read >> from an audio stream ! >> > > This would generally lead to buffering overrun/underrun problems > somewhere in the chain... > > Maybe on super-high-end hardware with lots of tweaking and a ton of > research, you can make it work, but I wouldn't recommend you head down > this path... > > From we3 at sprynet.com Mon Dec 11 20:11:38 2006 From: we3 at sprynet.com (Walter) Date: Mon Dec 11 20:11:45 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> Message-ID: <1165889498.2664.3.camel@big.gear.chicago.il.us> ide-scsi was either dropped or depreciated from the 2.6 series. Most of the newer forks of cdrecord will take the device filename as the argument to "dev=". In other words you can now do "dev=/dev/hdc" instead of "dev=0,1,1". On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 19:18 -0600, Richard Lynch wrote: > On Mon, December 11, 2006 6:59 pm, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > > Any suggestions for recording about 30min or more of audio through > > jack > > + jamin and then burning the result to cd in a few simple steps ? > > I don't know nothing about jack or jamin, but I do record audio for > hours on end every night with Linux... > > We pretty much just use "record" which is a command line tool that > takes the audio straight from the sound card to the hard drive at CD > quality. > > It's pretty much a no-brainer: > record -o filename > > You get an ASCII art 2-channel output of what's going to the hard drive. > > You can skip to a new file by hitting "N" so you can turn them into > tracks on the CD. > > After you quit, you'll have: > filename000.wav > filenamn001.wav > filename002.wav > . > . > . > with a new file number for each time you hit "N" > > Then just use "cdrecord" to burn the CDs -- or "burncd" I think also > works fine. > > cdrecord is a bit involved, in that you have to specify the CD drive > and you have to give it permission to "pad" the audio files out to an > even multiple of [mumble some silly number] so it can be a RedBook CD: > > cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -pad -eject filename*.wav > > dev will be like 0,0,0 or 0,0,1 or 0,0,2 or... 0,0,7 or 0,1,0 or 0,1,1... > > It's the SCSI system of numbering. > > Ooooh. And you have to add the Linux ide-scsi thingie. > /sbin/insmod ide-scsi > > But that's a "do it once and forget it" type of thing. > > Note that the -pad option will add some digital silence to the audio > files to "pad" them out to make them the even multiple required by > audio CDs. I think newer versions of "record" might have a "T" key or > something where it will force the break to happen at an even multiple, > so that no padding is needed... > > > I believe I have linked to all of these tools and have a bit more info > here: > http://uncommonground.com/sound.htm > > > I am currently using ardour, but it involves too many steps to get to > > the wav file. > > > > Tried timemachine (great program, but saves data in an uncommon form > > of > > wav or w64 file which seems incompatible with k3b or gnomeburner) > > Is w64 64-bit wav??? > > > Audacity is still problematic with Jack (at least on ubuntu it is) > > > > Rezound stalls trying to redraw the waveform on large files. > > > > Maybe there is a command line option where I can convert from w64 to a > > raw file and then burn it ? > > sox would almost for sure convert w64 to regular wav. > > sox converts damn near any audio format to whatever you want. > > > Would be great if the burning software could include an option to read > > from an audio stream ! > > This would generally lead to buffering overrun/underrun problems > somewhere in the chain... > > Maybe on super-high-end hardware with lots of tweaking and a ton of > research, you can make it work, but I wouldn't recommend you head down > this path... > > -- > Some people have a "gift" link here. > Know what I want? > I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. > http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch > Yeah, I get a buck. So? > From larry at garfieldtech.com Mon Dec 11 20:15:52 2006 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) Date: Mon Dec 11 20:16:13 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> Message-ID: <200612112015.53032.larry@garfieldtech.com> On Monday 11 December 2006 19:18, Richard Lynch wrote: > cdrecord is a bit involved, in that you have to specify the CD drive > and you have to give it permission to "pad" the audio files out to an > even multiple of [mumble some silly number] so it can be a RedBook CD: > > cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -pad -eject filename*.wav > > dev will be like 0,0,0 or 0,0,1 or 0,0,2 or... 0,0,7 or 0,1,0 or 0,1,1... > > It's the SCSI system of numbering. > > Ooooh. And you have to add the Linux ide-scsi thingie. > /sbin/insmod ide-scsi Boy are you out of date. :-) The ide-scsi module isn't needed in kernel 2.6 (and who the hell uses 2.4 anymore), and you can now specify the device as dev=/dev/cdrw or whatnot. In fact, I think cdrecord has been renamed to something else for some reason just recently. I forget what. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson From bray at sent.com Tue Dec 12 10:32:10 2006 From: bray at sent.com (bray@sent.com) Date: Tue Dec 12 10:32:17 2006 Subject: [LUNI] [ANN] ChiPy Monthly Meeting: Thurs. Dec. 14 2006. 7 pm. Message-ID: <1165941130.5652.280099861@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thurs. December 14 2006. 7 pm. Come join us for our December meeting. This might be our best one yet! Mark Ramm TurboGears expert will present. Here is Mark's blog entry: . We will then open the floor for discussion on Chicago's 2008 Bid to host PyCon. It will be nice to hear what updates those actively involved with finding a venue have to say. Also, it may be a good time to gather a team of volunteers for other tasks. Help us get PyCon in Chicago for 2008. This will be our first DePaul University sponsored meeting. A special thanks to Massimo Di Pierro, CTI DePaul University, mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu . No need to RSVP. When ---- Thurs. December 14 2006. 7 pm. What ---- Mark Ramm on ''Rapid Web Applications with TurboGears'' Ian Bicking might present on his ZjangoGears** metaphor PyCon 2008 Chicago Bid Updates ** presumable the current state of Python in Web Programming. Where ----- `DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave. room 924 `_ About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: --- From rick.munday at bananaskin.com Wed Dec 13 07:18:13 2006 From: rick.munday at bananaskin.com (Rick Munday) Date: Wed Dec 13 07:18:22 2006 Subject: [LUNI] UPS for Less update References: <20061211170700.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.74d9782816.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <011201c71eb9$27a73100$64760d05@winxp> Thanks Mike! I think we'll give them a try real soon. I've got one to replace at home and a few at work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Scott" To: "AALUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 18:07 Subject: [LUNI] UPS for Less update > Well, the unit arrived today (not bad considering the FedEx site had it > scheduled for this Thursday). > I placed the order online last Thursday and it shipped from their > facility on Friday. > They emailed the tracking numbers when it shipped. From mscott at pyewacket.org Wed Dec 13 11:10:06 2006 From: mscott at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Wed Dec 13 12:10:20 2006 Subject: [LUNI] UPS for Less update Message-ID: <20061213111006.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0c613dfd71.wbe@email.secureserver.net> So far it appears to be working with a minor exception. The Web management card (purchased separately from them) stopped seeing the UPS. I sent an email to them last night so I'll get to see how responsive they are. Another site a former coworker said they used without any problems is: http://www.refurbups.com/ - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] UPS for Less update > From: "Rick Munday" > Date: Wed, December 13, 2006 7:18 am > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > > Thanks Mike! > > I think we'll give them a try real soon. I've got one to replace at home and > a few at work. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Scott" > To: "AALUG Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 18:07 > Subject: [LUNI] UPS for Less update > > > > Well, the unit arrived today (not bad considering the FedEx site had it > > scheduled for this Thursday). > > I placed the order online last Thursday and it shipped from their > > facility on Friday. > > They emailed the tracking numbers when it shipped. > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From mark at msbrepairs.com Wed Dec 13 15:48:12 2006 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Wed Dec 13 15:48:56 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <4580751C.9030309@msbrepairs.com> As a follow up : Thanks to all of your comments on this one. After looking into arecord, I found that qarecord is actually able to run as a jack client qarecord --jack So, it provided a nice gui which allows you to easily pause / stop recording and when you click on record, it prompts you for a wav filename you want to save as. On a side note, by creating a shell script that is run by qjackctl when it finishes launching jackd, I was able to launch jamin and qarecord together and have qjackctl automatically connect the inputs and outputs as I want each time. This allows me to compress, limit and equalize the audio being recorded and monitor the peaks / spectum and make quick adjustments where necessary. Once the recording is complete, clicking on a modified simlink to k3b allowed me to launch k3b with the recorded wav already inserted into a new audio cd project. My next project will be to insert a nice conversion into the resulting wav so I can make an ogg or mp3 clone of the recording for our website. I expect this stuff is pretty trivial for most of you folks, but just in case there is anyone else out there who is going through the same learning curve, then you have some feedback. Merry Christmas to all of you Mark Burge Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > Any suggestions for recording about 30min or more of audio through > jack + jamin and then burning the result to cd in a few simple steps ? > > I am currently using ardour, but it involves too many steps to get to > the wav file. > > Tried timemachine (great program, but saves data in an uncommon form > of wav or w64 file which seems incompatible with k3b or gnomeburner) > > Audacity is still problematic with Jack (at least on ubuntu it is) > > Rezound stalls trying to redraw the waveform on large files. > > Maybe there is a command line option where I can convert from w64 to a > raw file and then burn it ? > > Would be great if the burning software could include an option to read > from an audio stream ! > > > From maney at two14.net Wed Dec 13 18:39:26 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Wed Dec 13 18:39:43 2006 Subject: [LUNI] variation on a theme suggested by SyL Message-ID: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> Syl has so much disk space that he doesn't know what media files he might have dupes of. SO he wanted to find likely candidates, and today's notion was just to troll the output of, eg., "du -a" for matchinf sizes and basename. Since you need the full path names, I figured it was easier to knock up something using whichecver scripting language was handy, and it turned out to look something like this: # usage: du [-a] | python dupes.py # prints sets of files with the same sizes and basename import sys sizes = {} for l in sys.stdin.readlines(): size,path = l.strip().split(None, 1) key = (size, path.split('/')[-1]) sizes[key] = sizes.get(key, []) sizes[key].append(path) candidates = [paths for paths in sizes.values() if len(paths) > 1] print "found %d candidate sets" % len(candidates) for cs in candidates: print ', '.join(cs) Prolly should have called it filedupes, or filedupes1, since it's really a fairly crude approximation (misses even trivially different names, reports coincidental matches (which may be less unlikely for other uses than this particular case)... -- We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. -- Robert Wilensky From jlm at uic.edu Thu Dec 14 12:29:40 2006 From: jlm at uic.edu (John Mason) Date: Thu Dec 14 12:29:56 2006 Subject: [LUNI] variation on a theme suggested by SyL In-Reply-To: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> References: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20061214182940.GC25653@uic.edu> On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 06:39:26PM -0600, Martin Maney wrote: > > Syl has so much disk space that he doesn't know what media files he > might have dupes of. SO he wanted to find likely candidates, and > today's notion was just to troll the output of, eg., "du -a" for > matchinf sizes and basename. Since you need the full path names, I > figured it was easier to knock up something using whichecver scripting > language was handy, and it turned out to look something like this: > > > # usage: du [-a] | python dupes.py > # prints sets of files with the same sizes and basename > > import sys > > sizes = {} > for l in sys.stdin.readlines(): > size,path = l.strip().split(None, 1) > key = (size, path.split('/')[-1]) > sizes[key] = sizes.get(key, []) > sizes[key].append(path) > candidates = [paths for paths in sizes.values() if len(paths) > 1] > print "found %d candidate sets" % len(candidates) > for cs in candidates: > print ', '.join(cs) > > consider md5sums of candidate dups. -- %40 <- Ceci n'est pas une @. John Mason - jlm@uic.edu University of Illinois at Chicago - Academic Computing and Communcations Center Usenet Administrator, Listserv Administrator, Sun Software Contact et al. From Brad.Williamson at uop.com Thu Dec 14 13:32:47 2006 From: Brad.Williamson at uop.com (Williamson, Brad) Date: Thu Dec 14 13:35:23 2006 Subject: [LUNI] variation on a theme suggested by SyL In-Reply-To: <20061214182940.GC25653@uic.edu> Message-ID: <334786FDB7D5B04D8E41BFB87AEBF7440D164448@DPLEVS2.ad.uop.com> I pulled this out of a "SpaceHog" script that I had lying around: find /home -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum |tee /root/checksums.txt cat /root/checksums.txt |sort|uniq -w 32 -D |tee /root/duplicates.txt It's not done, but it is supposed to trawl through gigantic shares and find checksums, filenames, paths, sizes, etc. and dump them to a searchable MySQL database. Once there, you can find duplicate files, largest/smallest, abusive users, 'illegal' files, backup files, etc. It still needs incremental updating capability, speed issues addressed, etc. but these two lines work fine. Expect the CPU and disk to be thrashed while running... Brad -----Original Message----- From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: Re: [LUNI] variation on a theme suggested by SyL On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 06:39:26PM -0600, Martin Maney wrote: > > Syl has so much disk space that he doesn't know what media files he > might have dupes of. SO he wanted to find likely candidates, and > today's notion was just to troll the output of, eg., "du -a" for > matchinf sizes and basename. Since you need the full path names, I > figured it was easier to knock up something using whichecver scripting > language was handy, and it turned out to look something like this: > > > # usage: du [-a] | python dupes.py > # prints sets of files with the same sizes and basename > > import sys > > sizes = {} > for l in sys.stdin.readlines(): > size,path = l.strip().split(None, 1) > key = (size, path.split('/')[-1]) > sizes[key] = sizes.get(key, []) > sizes[key].append(path) > candidates = [paths for paths in sizes.values() if len(paths) > 1] > print "found %d candidate sets" % len(candidates) > for cs in candidates: > print ', '.join(cs) > > consider md5sums of candidate dups. -- %40 <- Ceci n'est pas une @. John Mason - jlm@uic.edu University of Illinois at Chicago - Academic Computing and Communcations Center Usenet Administrator, Listserv Administrator, Sun Software Contact et al. -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From Brad.Williamson at uop.com Thu Dec 14 14:36:22 2006 From: Brad.Williamson at uop.com (Williamson, Brad) Date: Thu Dec 14 14:36:32 2006 Subject: [LUNI] variation on a theme suggested by SyL In-Reply-To: <334786FDB7D5B04D8E41BFB87AEBF7440D164448@DPLEVS2.ad.uop.com> Message-ID: <334786FDB7D5B04D8E41BFB87AEBF7440D16454F@DPLEVS2.ad.uop.com> Whoops, lost a line break... find /home -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum |tee /root/checksums.txt cat /root/checksums.txt |sort|uniq -w 32 -D |tee /root/duplicates.txt From maney at two14.net Thu Dec 14 15:57:58 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu Dec 14 15:58:10 2006 Subject: [LUNI] variation on a theme suggested by SyL In-Reply-To: <20061214182940.GC25653@uic.edu> References: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> <20061214182940.GC25653@uic.edu> Message-ID: <20061214215758.GA7713@furrr.two14.net> On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 12:29:40PM -0600, John Mason wrote: > consider md5sums of candidate dups. Oh, I have, I have. :-) This is a thing we've kicked around before; this time I decided to dash off a quick'n'dirty one for SyL. -- automation: replacing what works with something that almost works, but which is faster and cheaper. - attributed to Roger Needham From jlm at uic.edu Thu Dec 14 16:02:17 2006 From: jlm at uic.edu (John Mason) Date: Thu Dec 14 16:02:24 2006 Subject: [LUNI] variation on a theme suggested by SyL In-Reply-To: <334786FDB7D5B04D8E41BFB87AEBF7440D164448@DPLEVS2.ad.uop.com> References: <20061214182940.GC25653@uic.edu> <334786FDB7D5B04D8E41BFB87AEBF7440D164448@DPLEVS2.ad.uop.com> Message-ID: <20061214220216.GY25653@uic.edu> On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 01:32:47PM -0600, Williamson, Brad wrote: > I pulled this out of a "SpaceHog" script that I had lying around: > > find /home -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum |tee /root/checksums.txt > cat /root/checksums.txt |sort|uniq -w 32 -D |tee /root/duplicates.txt > I wrote a nasty hack several years ago that used "filesystem as database" The media file was md5sum'd and the moved into a datastore with the md5sum as path/filename, and a symlink was created to replace the original file. Ugly as sin, and slow as mud, but it was good at nailing dups. -- %40 <- Ceci n'est pas une @. John Mason - jlm@uic.edu University of Illinois at Chicago - Academic Computing and Communcations Center Usenet Administrator, Listserv Administrator, Sun Software Contact et al. From wb8nbs at prodigy.net Sat Dec 16 06:18:01 2006 From: wb8nbs at prodigy.net (Jim Harvey) Date: Sat Dec 16 08:17:46 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> Message-ID: <4583E3F9.5020905@prodigy.net> Richard Lynch wrote: > On Mon, December 11, 2006 6:59 pm, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: >> Any suggestions for recording about 30min or more of audio through >> jack >> + jamin and then burning the result to cd in a few simple steps ? > > I don't know nothing about jack or jamin, but I do record audio for > hours on end every night with Linux... > > We pretty much just use "record" which is a command line tool that > takes the audio straight from the sound card to the hard drive at CD > quality. > > It's pretty much a no-brainer: > record -o filename > > You get an ASCII art 2-channel output of what's going to the hard drive. > I did some records to cd a year ago and used Gramofile. Always had trouble with clipping. How do you set the levels with Record? -- Jim Harvey, Naperville, Ill. Linux person - WB8NBS/9 He who dies with the most software wins. From mark at msbrepairs.com Sat Dec 16 12:06:30 2006 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Sat Dec 16 12:07:02 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <4583E3F9.5020905@prodigy.net> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <4583E3F9.5020905@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <458435A6.5040604@msbrepairs.com> Hey Jim, that's the reason I want to feed the audio though jamin first. It enables you to set compressors on low,mid and high frequencies, and also put a limiter and graphic eq on the entire signal. By compressing the signal, any peaks that would normally clip are gently reduced so they don't, without reducing the entire audio. Having a jack enabled recording app is critical to this. So all the audio apps can connect their inputs and outputs through the jack patch bay. Jim Harvey wrote: > Richard Lynch wrote: >> On Mon, December 11, 2006 6:59 pm, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: >>> Any suggestions for recording about 30min or more of audio through >>> jack >>> + jamin and then burning the result to cd in a few simple steps ? >> >> I don't know nothing about jack or jamin, but I do record audio for >> hours on end every night with Linux... >> >> We pretty much just use "record" which is a command line tool that >> takes the audio straight from the sound card to the hard drive at CD >> quality. >> >> It's pretty much a no-brainer: >> record -o filename >> >> You get an ASCII art 2-channel output of what's going to the hard drive. >> > > I did some records to cd a year ago and used Gramofile. Always had > trouble with clipping. > > How do you set the levels with Record? From maney at two14.net Sat Dec 16 17:15:05 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Sat Dec 16 17:15:15 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <458435A6.5040604@msbrepairs.com> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <4583E3F9.5020905@prodigy.net> <458435A6.5040604@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <20061216231505.GC9586@furrr.two14.net> On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 12:06:30PM -0600, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > Hey Jim, that's the reason I want to feed the audio though jamin first. > It enables you to set compressors on low,mid and high frequencies, and > also put a limiter and graphic eq on the entire signal. By compressing > the signal, any peaks that would normally clip are gently reduced so > they don't, without reducing the entire audio. Having a jack enabled Of course, that doesn't do anything to remove clipping in the original A/D conversion, which is what I would guess was the original problem, since a simple rip without processing shouldn't have any overload problems except at that conversion. -- One discharges fancy homunculi from one's scheme by organizing armies of idiots to do the work. -- Dennett From gene at sevatech.com Sat Dec 16 19:22:33 2006 From: gene at sevatech.com (Gene Jannece) Date: Sat Dec 16 19:21:45 2006 Subject: [LUNI] File duplicate finder contest! In-Reply-To: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> References: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <45849BD9.7010405@sevatech.com> I just started reading this today figured with a few people interested it would make an amusing contest. Prizes are as follows: free books and $25 gift card! Learn how to Buy and Sell on Ebay! $5 The book was really $5 bucks but I found it on ebay for $4 with $3 shipping! I almost feel bad for the guy. O'Reilly Java Servlet Programming $36.95 The book is "Gently Used", in the way that Christina Aquilera looks "gently used" in her Dirty Video Click the not real safe for work youtube link for example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU0X8Mr20-U You'll also feel "Gently Used" after watching. The official Honeymooners Treasury (book on the TV show the honeymooners) $13.95 Nothing Funny about this book at all. Nothing. How to succeed with Women $15.00 With 8 keys to successful flirting 7 habits of highly effective seducers It helped me, and it can help you! (It really didn't but funny) Twenty Questions: An introduction to Philosophy! classics like "is the me I am, the me that's thinking of me right now? A huge page turner. O'reailly's Sendmail 2nd edition! God I hate Sendmail. AND $25 gift card at whatever store you pick! The rules: Your entry with be graded on the following: 1) time it takes to run through 2) how many false positives, if the files are really a duplicate in any way. 3) if it runs out of memory 4) All entries must be in by Jan 2nd, 2007 The files include anything from 50meg text files, unsorted mp3 collections, full disc copies of entire DVD box sets, entire system backups (both windows and linux OS) collections of pictures featuring "artistic" nudes, etc. some issues to think about: 1) not all the drives are on in one computer, 1 x 500 gig over USB, 1 x 400gig ATA133 drive, 2 x 250gig in a windows box next to it over gige network. All are mounted under /mnt/ 2) I'm interested it deleting the finding and deleting the duplicates, I've tried fdupes, some shell scripts I've found and even a few windows programs. Nothing has been 100% with false positives. in one form or another it miss files, match files wrongly or just crash due to lack of ram. (windows machine has 2Gig, linux box has 2gigs) 3) the total disk usage total is (using du -c on /mnt) is 1260985808. That's 1.1T total with du -c -h 4) The system CPU is: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 8 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 1997.304 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 3996.78 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5) your entry CAN NOT delete anything! it must dump the results into a text file for review. Please email me your entry off list and I'll post the results as soon as I can Good Luck! Gene = SyL From mark at msbrepairs.com Sat Dec 16 19:27:38 2006 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Sat Dec 16 19:28:10 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <20061216231505.GC9586@furrr.two14.net> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <4583E3F9.5020905@prodigy.net> <458435A6.5040604@msbrepairs.com> <20061216231505.GC9586@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <45849D0A.5090509@msbrepairs.com> So are you saying the a to d converter is before the gain control on the sound card (in most cases) I had never paid much thought to that, but you are right. I guess different cards might handle the input gain in different ways. Wouldn't a compressor set to pad the input before the level got anywhere near clipping enable you to cut the distortion away ? (assuming you couldn't control the source signal externally) Martin Maney wrote: > On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 12:06:30PM -0600, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > >> Hey Jim, that's the reason I want to feed the audio though jamin first. >> It enables you to set compressors on low,mid and high frequencies, and >> also put a limiter and graphic eq on the entire signal. By compressing >> the signal, any peaks that would normally clip are gently reduced so >> they don't, without reducing the entire audio. Having a jack enabled >> > > Of course, that doesn't do anything to remove clipping in the original > A/D conversion, which is what I would guess was the original problem, > since a simple rip without processing shouldn't have any overload > problems except at that conversion. > > From maney at two14.net Sun Dec 17 10:18:01 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Sun Dec 17 10:18:23 2006 Subject: [LUNI] recording audio to cd In-Reply-To: <45849D0A.5090509@msbrepairs.com> References: <457DFEEF.4070303@msbrepairs.com> <2476.216.230.84.67.1165886330.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <4583E3F9.5020905@prodigy.net> <458435A6.5040604@msbrepairs.com> <20061216231505.GC9586@furrr.two14.net> <45849D0A.5090509@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <20061217161801.GA10624@furrr.two14.net> On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 07:27:38PM -0600, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > So are you saying the a to d converter is before the gain control on the > sound card (in most cases) > I had never paid much thought to that, but you are right. > > I guess different cards might handle the input gain in different ways. > Wouldn't a compressor set to pad the input before the level got anywhere > near clipping enable you to cut the distortion away ? > (assuming you couldn't control the source signal externally) Yeah, if it's controlling the gain ahead of the converter, *that* would help. (at the cost of adding the compression, which is another issue). >From the description I thought you were talking about post-sampling manipulations, which of course won't help at all, at all, if the converter is where the overloading happens - and it shouldn't be possible to overload anywhere else in a simple rip from analog. But maybe I'm assuming a more purist approach there. :-) Also of course, even a compressor that tweaks the analog gain is going to suffer some overload - that's what tells it to turn the gain down, no? :-/ -- I must say I find television very educational. The minute somebody turns it on, I go to the library and read a good book. -- Groucho Marx From maney at two14.net Sun Dec 17 11:00:23 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Sun Dec 17 11:00:35 2006 Subject: [LUNI] File duplicate finder contest! In-Reply-To: <45849BD9.7010405@sevatech.com> References: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> <45849BD9.7010405@sevatech.com> Message-ID: <20061217170023.GB10624@furrr.two14.net> On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 07:22:33PM -0600, Gene Jannece wrote: > The files include anything from 50meg text files, unsorted mp3 > collections, full disc copies of entire DVD box sets For these I would expect the simple du postprocessor I posted to give good results. >, entire system backups (both windows and linux OS) For this, maybe not so good - lots of smaller files, size collisions. > collections of pictures featuring "artistic" nudes, etc. These should be okay, but maybe I should revise the script to make an offsite backup just in case something goes wrong. :-) > That's 1.1T total with du -c -h Probably more important to know how *many* files there are in the data set. A ballpark figure for average path length and directory size (count of entries, not bytes), too, since you imply that some tools have run out of memory processing this collection, and these are the parameters that will affect the space used during the early stages of processing (or know that you can't do the first pass the easy way, and revise it to accomodate that). Assuming anyone finds the problem or the prizes sufficently motivating, that is. :-) > 5) your entry CAN NOT delete anything! it must dump the results into a > text file for review. How about it encrypts a few files and holds them for ransom, just to make things more interesting? -- I've just realised that one of the things I really hate hate hate about Windows is that it doesn't have any personality. It's corporate and it hates me but it wouldn't ever do anything but smile falsely and refuse to talk to me. -- Jo Walton http://www.bluejo.demon.co.uk And now, with Vista, it can sieze your documents, too. Innit that innovative? From larry at garfieldtech.com Sun Dec 17 16:13:38 2006 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) Date: Sun Dec 17 16:14:03 2006 Subject: [LUNI] File duplicate finder contest! In-Reply-To: <45849BD9.7010405@sevatech.com> References: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> <45849BD9.7010405@sevatech.com> Message-ID: <200612171613.38975.larry@garfieldtech.com> On Saturday 16 December 2006 19:22, Gene Jannece wrote: > I just started reading this today figured with a few people interested > it would make an amusing contest. I doubt I'll have time to get involved, but what are the restrictions on tools used? Bash script only? Perl allowed? Other languages allowed? Can it offload data to files during processing? Can it offline data to an SQL database? Must it be non-interactive? Those factors are important. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson From gene at sevatech.com Mon Dec 18 12:18:37 2006 From: gene at sevatech.com (Gene Jannece) Date: Mon Dec 18 12:18:52 2006 Subject: [LUNI] File duplicate finder contest! In-Reply-To: <200612171613.38975.larry@garfieldtech.com> References: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> <45849BD9.7010405@sevatech.com> <200612171613.38975.larry@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <4586DB7D.90200@sevatech.com> Larry Garfield wrote: > On Saturday 16 December 2006 19:22, Gene Jannece wrote: > >> I just started reading this today figured with a few people interested >> it would make an amusing contest. >> > > I doubt I'll have time to get involved, but what are the restrictions on tools > used? Bash script only? Perl allowed? Other languages allowed? Can it > offload data to files during processing? Can it offline data to an SQL > database? Must it be non-interactive? > > Those factors are important. :-) > > It can be in anything, but I will need to know what to install. I have the normal python, bash, gcc, perl, etc. installed now. It needs to be non-interactive. I want to run something over night and come back with a text file full of duplicate files and where they are do I can manually go and delete them. SQL is fine if you want to do that. Gene From gene at sevatech.com Mon Dec 18 12:18:32 2006 From: gene at sevatech.com (Gene Jannece) Date: Mon Dec 18 12:18:57 2006 Subject: [LUNI] File duplicate finder contest! In-Reply-To: <20061217170023.GB10624@furrr.two14.net> References: <20061214003926.GA21144@furrr.two14.net> <45849BD9.7010405@sevatech.com> <20061217170023.GB10624@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <4586DB78.3010601@sevatech.com> It looks like there are just under 500,000 files Martin Maney wrote: > On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 07:22:33PM -0600, Gene Jannece wrote: > > Probably more important to know how *many* files there are in the data > set. A ballpark figure for average path length and directory size > (count of entries, not bytes), too, since you imply that some tools > have run out of memory processing this collection, and these are the > parameters that will affect the space used during the early stages of > processing (or know that you can't do the first pass the easy way, and > revise it to accomodate that). From stocksb at ieee.org Mon Dec 18 18:19:32 2006 From: stocksb at ieee.org (Benjamin Mayer Stocks) Date: Mon Dec 18 19:07:47 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Global search and replace Message-ID: Hi All, Can someone lend me a quick hand: I need to make a global change in a bunch of .h files, the trick is that this is a ClearCase file system so I can't run SED on every .h file or SED will change the time stamp and ClearCase will call it a hijacked file. So can someone help me write a bash shell command to find all .h files under the current directory, grep the file and if the string is present only then run the SED command? Thanks! Ben -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Benjamin Mayer Stocks email: stocksb@ieee.org cell: aim: engnrcomputer Why intentionally "make a mess?" So you can get really good at "cleaning up!" - Andy Hertzfeld ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From dave at psys.org Mon Dec 18 20:16:54 2006 From: dave at psys.org (d.w. harks) Date: Mon Dec 18 20:33:31 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Global search and replace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061219021653.GD17142@psys.org> With carefully-arranged electrons, Benjamin Mayer Stocks wrote: > Hi All, > Can someone lend me a quick hand: I need to make a global change in a > bunch of .h files, the trick is that this is a ClearCase file system so I > can't run SED on every .h file or SED will change the time stamp and > ClearCase will call it a hijacked file. > > So can someone help me write a bash shell command to find all .h files > under the current directory, grep the file and if the string is present > only then run the SED command? > > Thanks! > > Ben Assuming you're in the top-level directory for the project within your VOB... for each in `grep -lR .`; do cleartool checkout $each; $each; cleartool checkin $each; done Alternatively, you could just hijack all the files and then run through all the hijacked files and check them out, use the hijacked version as the new version, and then check back in... d -- David W. Harks From basshooker at yahoo.com Tue Dec 19 07:46:28 2006 From: basshooker at yahoo.com (Harry) Date: Tue Dec 19 09:53:26 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi Message-ID: <20061219154629.21405.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi I am using a laptop with FedoraCore6 and I have a desktop with FC5. the desktop apparently has the ness drivers and tools installed to see my broadband but the laptop doesnt.. I am using a Dell Latitude c500/600 512kmem 30g hd and just picked up an intel/pro 2200bg.. I have done some research as to how to install the .tar file out there, but I dont understand the tech gargon as to what further to do other than getting the unzipped (which just about killed me by the way) file into the /lib/firmware folder... I still dont have connection even though the soft in network sees the minicard as configured. Upon activation I get something like etho failed?? Can someone PLEASE hold my hand through the process of getting wireless up on my laptop as I DONT have a clue.. Sorry; Newbie basshooker@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Tue Dec 19 09:29:20 2006 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean-lynch@sean-lynch.com) Date: Tue Dec 19 10:30:18 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi In-Reply-To: <20061219154629.21405.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061219154629.21405.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:46:28 -0800 (PST) Harry wrote: > Hi I am using a laptop with FedoraCore6 and I have a > desktop with FC5. the desktop apparently has the ness > drivers and tools installed to see my broadband but > the laptop doesnt.. I am using a Dell Latitude > c500/600 512kmem 30g hd and just picked up an > intel/pro 2200bg.. I have done some research as to how > to install the .tar file out there, but I dont > understand the tech gargon as to what further to do > other than getting the unzipped (which just about > killed me by the way) file into the /lib/firmware > folder... I still dont have connection even though the > soft in network sees the minicard as configured. Upon > activation I get something like etho failed?? Can > someone PLEASE hold my hand through the process of > getting wireless up on my laptop as I DONT have a > clue.. Sorry; Newbie basshooker@yahoo.com > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni Ok, so you have untarred the file in /lib/firmware. Open a terminal and become root (use the su command). issue the following commands: unload the firmware if its loaded: >rmmod ipw2200 load it with a modprobe: >modprobe ipw2200 check what the output messages were when you loaded it: >dmesg|grep ipw2200 you should see some messages about finding the ipw2200. If you get errors paste them back here in a reply. See what access points your card is seeing: >iwlist eth1 scanning look for your wifi access point's name in the list of output. tie your laptop to your access point: >iwconfig eth1 essid YourAccessPointName start the dhcpcd daemon: >dhcpcd -d eth1 You should see your mac address and your ip address from dhcpc. see if you can get to the internet. After it is working from the command line, find tools like wifi-radar that will let you do this automagically from a gui in your distro's libraries. I haven't used Red Hat since 4.3 or so, so I'm not sure of the tools Red Hat or Fedora ship with. If you have errors paste the output in a reply mail. Sean From basshooker at yahoo.com Tue Dec 19 09:16:14 2006 From: basshooker at yahoo.com (Harry) Date: Tue Dec 19 11:16:37 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061219171614.28617.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hope you can make heads or tails I cant.. sorry to be a bother.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ipw2200 wireless problems-will open in wordpad Type: application/octet-stream Size: 948 bytes Desc: 3650949663-ipw2200 wireless problems-will open in wordpad Url : http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20061219/3dc7a428/ipw2200wirelessproblems-willopeninwordpad.obj From basshooker at yahoo.com Tue Dec 19 10:42:08 2006 From: basshooker at yahoo.com (Harry) Date: Tue Dec 19 12:42:18 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <256360.35473.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hope this helps figure it out.. thx 4 the help Harry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ipw2200 wireless problems-will open in wordpad Type: application/octet-stream Size: 948 bytes Desc: 3650949663-ipw2200 wireless problems-will open in wordpad Url : http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20061219/d2de9ab4/ipw2200wirelessproblems-willopeninwordpad.obj From basshooker at yahoo.com Tue Dec 19 11:15:33 2006 From: basshooker at yahoo.com (Harry) Date: Tue Dec 19 13:15:44 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <427247.11669.qm@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> [root@localhost ~]# rmmod ipw2200 [root@localhost ~]# modprobbe ipw2200 bash: modprobbe: command not found [root@localhost ~]# modprobe ipw2200 [root@localhost ~]# dmesg|grep ipw2200 ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.1.2kmprq ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 ipw2200: failed to register network device ipw2200: probe of 0000:00:10.0 failed with error -5 ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.1.2kmprq ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 ipw2200: failed to register network device ipw2200: probe of 0000:00:10.0 failed with error -5 [root@localhost ~]# __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mike at tuxnami.org Tue Dec 19 17:53:10 2006 From: mike at tuxnami.org (mike@tuxnami.org) Date: Tue Dec 19 18:26:05 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi In-Reply-To: <427247.11669.qm@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <427247.11669.qm@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:15:33 -0800 (PST), Harry wrote: [snip] > ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 > ipw2200: failed to register network device > ipw2200: probe of 0000:00:10.0 failed with error -5 > [root@localhost ~]# > From my first glance, it looks like you are missing the firmware for the card. This firmware is not distributed with Fedora Core due to licensing conflicts. You can get an RPM of i From mike at tuxnami.org Tue Dec 19 18:34:58 2006 From: mike at tuxnami.org (Mike Crawford) Date: Tue Dec 19 18:35:15 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi In-Reply-To: References: <427247.11669.qm@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22BF5548-365C-433D-93F2-99BEB3E70437@tuxnami.org> On Dec 19, 2006, at 5:53 PM, wrote: > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:15:33 -0800 (PST), Harry > wrote: > [snip] >> ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 >> ipw2200: failed to register network device >> ipw2200: probe of 0000:00:10.0 failed with error -5 >> [root@localhost ~]# >> > > From my first glance, it looks like you are missing the firmware > for the card. This firmware is not distributed with Fedora Core > due to licensing conflicts. You can get an RPM of i Argh, how did this happen... http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/6/i386/repodata/repoview/ipw2200- firmware-0-3.0-1.lvn6.html Is the URL to get it. From basshooker at yahoo.com Tue Dec 19 17:19:36 2006 From: basshooker at yahoo.com (Harry) Date: Tue Dec 19 19:19:44 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi Hello Mike... In-Reply-To: <22BF5548-365C-433D-93F2-99BEB3E70437@tuxnami.org> Message-ID: <342048.85053.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Unfortunetly, the link that you gave me doesn't work...Also isn't it a link to the fedora Zod download? when I typed it in myself it took me to the fedora project page with a download to zod.. I have zod installed already.. Is there any other help you can give me, maybe point me in the right direction? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Tue Dec 19 21:14:02 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Tue Dec 19 21:14:04 2006 Subject: [LUNI] wifi Hello Mike... In-Reply-To: <342048.85053.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <22BF5548-365C-433D-93F2-99BEB3E70437@tuxnami.org> <342048.85053.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or........ to be distro independent.. http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php You probably need the 3.0 or 2.4 firmware.. looking in your log files for which one it needs. You'll probably get an error that file X is not found (Naming convention is different). just extract the firmware in the location it's supposed to be, reboot (or.. unload modules, bring down interface.. blah..blah blah..) few times rebooting is easier unless you care about uptime. -- Samir On 12/19/06, Harry wrote: > Unfortunetly, the link that you gave me doesn't > work...Also isn't it a link to the fedora Zod > download? when I typed it in myself it took me to the > fedora project page with a download to zod.. I have > zod installed already.. Is there any other help you > can give me, maybe point me in the right direction? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Berry From knura at yahoo.com Wed Dec 20 14:41:37 2006 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun K. Khan) Date: Wed Dec 20 03:11:46 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Samba - MS Vista interoperability Message-ID: <1166605897.17870.2.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> For those who have to support Samba - MS Vista interoperability, the solution in following article may be useful. http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4434907782.html -- akk From costi at rcn.com Wed Dec 20 14:02:45 2006 From: costi at rcn.com (Constantin Gavrilescu) Date: Wed Dec 20 14:03:02 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable Message-ID: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> Hi GNU users, 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the Chicago area? 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? From ken at stox.org Wed Dec 20 14:27:02 2006 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Wed Dec 20 14:27:18 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> References: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1166646422.31791.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 14:02 -0600, Constantin Gavrilescu wrote: > Hi GNU users, > > 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the > Chicago area? Home Depot, CDW, Newark Electronics, Greybar to name just a few. From sjk at cupacoffee.net Wed Dec 20 14:28:31 2006 From: sjk at cupacoffee.net (sjk) Date: Wed Dec 20 14:28:43 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> References: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> Message-ID: Wenormally buy from Graybar 539 W. 14th Place, Chicago, IL 60607 Phone: 312 / 491-1123 Fax: 312 / 491-1178 online, you can shop around, but usually the shipping doesn't offset the cost for less then 10k' --sjk On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Constantin Gavrilescu wrote: > Hi GNU users, > > 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the Chicago > area? > 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > ------------------------------------- http://www.auroraliberty.com sjk@cupacoffee.net No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir From mscott at pyewacket.org Wed Dec 20 13:35:57 2006 From: mscott at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Wed Dec 20 14:35:59 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable Message-ID: <20061220133556.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.2762c81d46.wbe@email.secureserver.net> TigerDirect in Naperville (not sure if that qualifies as "Chicago" area). - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable > From: Constantin Gavrilescu > Date: Wed, December 20, 2006 2:02 pm > To: luni@luni.org > > Hi GNU users, > > 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the > Chicago area? > 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From skie at dragonsvalley.com Wed Dec 20 16:00:05 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Wed Dec 20 15:51:51 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> References: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <200612201600.05692.skie@dragonsvalley.com> There's also Fry's in Downers Grove (probably too far west for you) which is just south of the Butterfield exit for I-355. Or you can probably buy online at frys.com On Wednesday 20 December 2006 2:02 pm, Constantin Gavrilescu wrote: > Hi GNU users, > > 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the > Chicago area? > 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? From casey at wizkid.homelinux.net Wed Dec 20 16:02:46 2006 From: casey at wizkid.homelinux.net (Casey Cichon) Date: Wed Dec 20 16:02:58 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <200612201600.05692.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> <200612201600.05692.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <4589B306.7090806@wizkid.homelinux.net> Branko Kotur wrote: > There's also Fry's in Downers Grove (probably too far west for you) which is > just south of the Butterfield exit for I-355. Or you can probably buy online > at frys.com > > On Wednesday 20 December 2006 2:02 pm, Constantin Gavrilescu wrote: >> Hi GNU users, >> >> 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the >> Chicago area? >> 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? outpost.com points to frys.com as well. Before double checking I was going to say that fry's website is outpost.com Casey From skie at dragonsvalley.com Wed Dec 20 16:23:09 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Wed Dec 20 16:14:57 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <4589B306.7090806@wizkid.homelinux.net> References: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> <200612201600.05692.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <4589B306.7090806@wizkid.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <200612201623.09913.skie@dragonsvalley.com> On Wednesday 20 December 2006 4:02 pm, Casey Cichon wrote: > outpost.com points to frys.com as well. Before double checking I was > going to say that fry's website is outpost.com > > Casey I'm not sure why Fry's used the "outpost.com" domain, but they recently (a few months ago) launched frys.com and had outpost point to it. Although, a few links still use outpost instead. Before that (as of a year ago or so), if you went to frys.com, there was a link to outpost.com. From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Wed Dec 20 16:49:46 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Wed Dec 20 16:49:51 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> References: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> Message-ID: Menards also works, I'm sure there are some in the Chicago area... uhm.. well, I'm thinking more of the bulk 500 ft that you crimp.. if you're just looking for a short cable.... probably you run of the mill office store will carry it. -- Samir On 12/20/06, Constantin Gavrilescu wrote: > Hi GNU users, > > 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the > Chicago area? > 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Berry From ohrock at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 17:24:45 2006 From: ohrock at gmail.com (Roberto Serrano) Date: Sat Dec 23 13:32:19 2006 Subject: [LUNI] News from LUG@UIC / Flourish Message-ID: <3d76512f0612221524w8d10578w1f16a85f914f1ddf@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, Here at LUG@UIC we have been cooking up something that hopefully "will get your juices going." We still have many pending details, and we could still benefit from any help that the community might have to offer. The idea emerged a few months back, and basically we want to provide a framework for a forum/conference where we can discuss the viability of FLOSS in professional environments. Whether is a student looking for a job, a company looking for a new technological path, new tools, many are finding FLOSS as an interesting platform from which to pin down their computational future. Please join us in this endeavor April 6-7, whether by lending your support in the form of active participation as a panelist, providing some of the much-needed funding, or simply by contributing with your presence. Please, see the attached document for more details, or visit us at: http://www.flourishconf.com If you think you might have something to contribute: let us know! Thank you so much, Roberto C. Serrano Vice President, LUG@UIC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenLetter.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 54777 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20061222/644c629b/OpenLetter-0001.pdf From scott at guppylog.com Wed Dec 20 15:00:49 2006 From: scott at guppylog.com (Scott Lockwood) Date: Sat Dec 23 13:32:22 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <458996E5.2070602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <01bb01c72479$ee1e3bb0$fd07e00a@tincek> 1. Locally, Tigerdirect 2. Online, http://www.deepsurplus.com/ -----Original Message----- From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of Constantin Gavrilescu Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:03 PM To: luni@luni.org Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable Hi GNU users, 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the Chicago area? 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From david at midrange.com Sat Dec 23 14:50:48 2006 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat Dec 23 16:05:33 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Port forwrading help? Message-ID: Folks: I'm trying to get a jabber server running on my system so that it will listen on port 5222 (the default) and 80. Can anyone recommend a way to forward port 80 on a particular IP to port 5222 on the same IP? I'd also like to have the source IP show up correctly (i.e., the actual source IP instead of the IP where the traffic is being forwarded from). I've tried using portfwd, but it seems to want to listen on all IP's all the time. I found a small utility that would listen on a specific IP / port and forward the traffic to another IP / port ... but the source IP is where the forwarding is taking place. I found some references to using iptables to forward traffic ... but I haven't been able to make it work. Parms mentioned in the document aren't valid on my version of iptables. FWIW: I'm using Fedora Core 4. Thanks! david From david at midrange.com Sat Dec 23 16:11:03 2006 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat Dec 23 16:11:19 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: Port forwrading help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Gibbs wrote: > I found some references to using iptables to forward traffic ... but I > haven't been able to make it work. Parms mentioned in the document > aren't valid on my version of iptables. Ok, I got the iptables command to be accepted ... but it doesn't seem to have any effect. The iptables command I'm issuing is: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst x.x.x.28 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination x.x.x.28:5222 If I telnet into port 5222 I get the correct result .. if I telnet into port 80 I get a connection refused. david From mark at msbrepairs.com Sat Dec 23 16:23:02 2006 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Sat Dec 23 16:23:26 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <01bb01c72479$ee1e3bb0$fd07e00a@tincek> References: <01bb01c72479$ee1e3bb0$fd07e00a@tincek> Message-ID: <458DAC46.1000305@msbrepairs.com> Or if you are really desperate : Home Depot (actually, they are not too bad on rj45 connections for a retailer) Scott Lockwood wrote: > 1. Locally, Tigerdirect > 2. Online, http://www.deepsurplus.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of > Constantin Gavrilescu > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:03 PM > To: luni@luni.org > Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable > > Hi GNU users, > > 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the > Chicago area? > 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > From kgarner at kgarner.com Sat Dec 23 16:28:58 2006 From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Sat Dec 23 17:01:05 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: Port forwrading help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <458DADAA.6090802@kgarner.com> David Gibbs wrote: > David Gibbs wrote: >> I found some references to using iptables to forward traffic ... but I >> haven't been able to make it work. Parms mentioned in the document >> aren't valid on my version of iptables. > > Ok, I got the iptables command to be accepted ... but it doesn't seem to > have any effect. > > The iptables command I'm issuing is: > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst x.x.x.28 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT > --to-destination x.x.x.28:5222 > > If I telnet into port 5222 I get the correct result .. if I telnet into > port 80 I get a connection refused. Since you're the host, I think what you really want is REDIRECT, not DNAT. I'm using REDIRECT to do something similar for a different service This is off the top of my head, so check your iptables manual, but I think you want something like this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst x.x.x.28 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 5222 Keith -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From dabenesch at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 24 05:11:59 2006 From: dabenesch at sbcglobal.net (Donald Benesch) Date: Sun Dec 24 07:18:52 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <01bb01c72479$ee1e3bb0$fd07e00a@tincek> Message-ID: <200825.15025.qm@web81113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Homedepot has spools of the stuff. Scott Lockwood wrote: 1. Locally, Tigerdirect 2. Online, http://www.deepsurplus.com/ -----Original Message----- From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of Constantin Gavrilescu Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:03 PM To: luni@luni.org Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable Hi GNU users, 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the Chicago area? 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From m.mccune at comcast.net Sun Dec 24 19:50:39 2006 From: m.mccune at comcast.net (m.mccune@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:50:56 2006 Subject: [LUNI] $200 Laptops Message-ID: <122420061950.10571.458EDA0F000D6A5E0000294B22135753330A029A0C0C03D203@comcast.net> Microcenter is selling laptops for $200 on December 26. The catch is there is a $50 rebate and they only have 10 per store, so get there early. The laptop is the Acer Aspire 3680. I've owned once since October and I am happy with it. It runs Ubuntu out of the box with all open source drivers (including OpenGL video). Check out this and other specials below: http://cps7.00b.net/498/content_load/173/12.20.viewonline.html From sobolak at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 17:57:39 2006 From: sobolak at gmail.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Sun Dec 24 17:57:52 2006 Subject: [LUNI] News from LUG@UIC / Flourish In-Reply-To: <3d76512f0612221524w8d10578w1f16a85f914f1ddf@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d76512f0612221524w8d10578w1f16a85f914f1ddf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458F13F3.8080104@gmail.com> Roberto Serrano wrote: > If you think you might have something to contribute: let us know! Tip: I would consider targeting some recruiting firms as sponsors. I don't know that sort of level of contributions you're looking for, but if you can have something that's about the size of a lunch expense (~$50), I bet a lot of recruiters would bite. brian From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Sun Dec 24 19:55:06 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Sun Dec 24 19:55:14 2006 Subject: [LUNI] News from LUG@UIC / Flourish In-Reply-To: <458F13F3.8080104@gmail.com> References: <3d76512f0612221524w8d10578w1f16a85f914f1ddf@mail.gmail.com> <458F13F3.8080104@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sponsors isn't as big an issue as we thought it was gonna be, though obviously $$$ contributions are always welcome, I'm more interested at this stage in the acquiring a few good speakers besides just google. If anyone knows of anyone in the area or anyone willing to travel and has a point of contact we could get a hold of, please let either me or Roberto know. If this pans out, obvious the entire Luni community and anyone you can get a word of mouth is invited. (At least that's the plan as it stands.) -- Samir On 12/24/06, Brian Sobolak wrote: > Roberto Serrano wrote: > > > If you think you might have something to contribute: let us know! > > Tip: I would consider targeting some recruiting firms as sponsors. I > don't know that sort of level of contributions you're looking for, but > if you can have something that's about the size of a lunch expense > (~$50), I bet a lot of recruiters would bite. > > brian > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Berry From m.mccune at comcast.net Mon Dec 25 23:49:42 2006 From: m.mccune at comcast.net (m.mccune@comcast.net) Date: Mon Dec 25 17:50:04 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: News from LUG@UIC / Flourish Message-ID: <122520062349.22805.45906396000EB4080000591522007610640A029A0C0C03D203@comcast.net> I would be glad to fill in as a speaker even though I don't think I would be as big a draw a Google (or most other companies, for that matter!). > Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:55:06 -0600 > From: "Samir Faci" > Subject: Re: [LUNI] News from LUG@UIC / Flourish > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Sponsors isn't as big an issue as we thought it was gonna be, though > obviously $$$ contributions are always welcome, I'm more interested at > this stage in the acquiring a few good speakers besides just google. > If anyone knows of anyone in the area or anyone willing to travel and > has a point of contact we could get a hold of, please let either me or > Roberto know. > > If this pans out, obvious the entire Luni community and anyone you can > get a word of mouth is invited. (At least that's the plan as it > stands.) > > -- > Samir > > On 12/24/06, Brian Sobolak wrote: > > Roberto Serrano wrote: > > > > > If you think you might have something to contribute: let us know! > > > > Tip: I would consider targeting some recruiting firms as sponsors. I > > don't know that sort of level of contributions you're looking for, but > > if you can have something that's about the size of a lunch expense > > (~$50), I bet a lot of recruiters would bite. > > > > brian > > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > > -- > Regards > Samir Faci > safaci2000@gmail.com > Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, > overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous > clothing. > -- Dave Berry > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From david at midrange.com Tue Dec 26 11:29:33 2006 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue Dec 26 11:29:59 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: Port forwrading help? In-Reply-To: <458DADAA.6090802@kgarner.com> References: <458DADAA.6090802@kgarner.com> Message-ID: Keith T. Garner wrote: > Since you're the host, I think what you really want is REDIRECT, not DNAT. > I'm using REDIRECT to do something similar for a different service Tried that ... but it doesn't seem to have any effect. Do I need any other rules to make the REDIRECT target work? david From kgarner at kgarner.com Tue Dec 26 14:27:11 2006 From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Tue Dec 26 14:27:14 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: Port forwrading help? In-Reply-To: References: <458DADAA.6090802@kgarner.com> Message-ID: <4591859F.70509@kgarner.com> David Gibbs wrote: > Keith T. Garner wrote: >> Since you're the host, I think what you really want is REDIRECT, not DNAT. >> I'm using REDIRECT to do something similar for a different service > > Tried that ... but it doesn't seem to have any effect. > > Do I need any other rules to make the REDIRECT target work? I just did a quick review because its been awhile and there doesn't seem to be. Just make sure the port you're redirecting to is open, and you should be good. In general, what do your iptables rules look like? Keith -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From david at midrange.com Tue Dec 26 16:24:17 2006 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue Dec 26 16:24:44 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: Port forwrading help? In-Reply-To: <4591859F.70509@kgarner.com> References: <458DADAA.6090802@kgarner.com> <4591859F.70509@kgarner.com> Message-ID: Keith T. Garner wrote: > In general, what do your iptables rules look like? Pretty darn simple ... I do my firewalling at the router, so I don't have any sophisticated rules in iptables. I've got a bunch of rules to reject connections from IP's that try dictionary attacks (based on an analysis of the mail log), but that's it. david From knura at yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 12:13:20 2006 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun K. Khan) Date: Wed Dec 27 00:50:29 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: Port forwrading help? In-Reply-To: References: <458DADAA.6090802@kgarner.com> <4591859F.70509@kgarner.com> Message-ID: <1167201800.9709.4.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 16:24 -0600, David Gibbs wrote: > Keith T. Garner wrote: > > In general, what do your iptables rules look like? > > Pretty darn simple ... I do my firewalling at the router, so I don't > have any sophisticated rules in iptables. > > I've got a bunch of rules to reject connections from IP's that try > dictionary attacks (based on an analysis of the mail log), but that's it. A listing from "iptables --list" would tell the whole story. -- Arun Khan From luni at pyewacket.org Wed Dec 27 10:21:43 2006 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Wed Dec 27 11:21:50 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Some interesting reading Message-ID: <20061227102143.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.bc6898d9e1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I've been playing with Vista Business Edition for a couple of days and it's pretty underwhelming. Aside from MS feeling the need to re-design the UI it's just Windows. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570 http://badvista.fsf.org/blog/launch-press-release - Mike Scott From maney at two14.net Wed Dec 27 20:23:34 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Wed Dec 27 20:23:49 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Some interesting reading In-Reply-To: <20061227102143.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.bc6898d9e1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20061227102143.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.bc6898d9e1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20061228022334.GA9000@furrr.two14.net> On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 10:21:43AM -0700, Mike Scott wrote: > Aside from MS feeling the need to re-design the UI it's just Windows. So you're saying it's deja vu all over again? -- Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people hack away on a complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never managed a software project. -- Andy Tanenbaum From jkaplenk at aol.com Thu Dec 28 21:30:13 2006 From: jkaplenk at aol.com (jkaplenk@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 28 20:30:37 2006 Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable In-Reply-To: <200825.15025.qm@web81113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C8F908674215FE-E5C-C348@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> I just saw yesterday that Tigerdirect has 1000 ft spools of cat5E for $49.99. I saw it on the wall on the right as you walk in. Joe Kaplenk -----Original Message----- From: dabenesch@sbcglobal.net To: luni@luni.org Sent: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 7:11 AM Subject: RE: [LUNI] cat5 cable Homedepot has spools of the stuff. Scott Lockwood wrote: 1. Locally, Tigerdirect 2. Online, http://www.deepsurplus.com/ -----Original Message----- From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of Constantin Gavrilescu Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:03 PM To: luni@luni.org Subject: [LUNI] cat5 cable Hi GNU users, 1. If I need 1000ft of utp cat5 cable where can I buy it quick in the Chicago area? 2. Do you have a good online source for cat5 cable? -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.