From knura at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 13:27:41 2006 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun K. Khan) Date: Wed Nov 1 01:58:00 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Two Hardware Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1162367861.6133.18.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 08:53 -0600, Robert Morrison wrote: > First question: > > I'm looking to do a desktop build based on one of > the mid-range Core 2 Duo processors. I spent some > time yesterday looking at parts like: > > ASUS P5B-E > GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 > About a 4-6 weeks back TigerDirect (Naperville store) had a bunch of OEM Intel boards in their clearance center for $20/pc. I got lucky and picked up a Intel D945GTP board (Dual core, 4 SATA ports, 7.1 ch Audio, 1 Firewire and 4 USB - add'l FW/USB headers, 10/100 LAN, shared memory video, 4 DIMMs for DDR2 mem.). Might be worthwhile to check out their clearance center. The mobo, cpu (2.6G dual), 512 MB cost me around $190. I had the other necessities - FC5 installed w/o any probs. all devices on the board detected and working. I would recommend the above board. HTH, Arun Khan From fiddledd at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 09:57:33 2006 From: fiddledd at gmail.com (Robert Morrison) Date: Wed Nov 1 09:57:47 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Two Hardware Questions In-Reply-To: <1162367861.6133.18.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> References: <1162367861.6133.18.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> Message-ID: Hi Arun: On 11/2/06, Arun K. Khan wrote: > About a 4-6 weeks back TigerDirect (Naperville store) had a bunch of OEM > Intel boards in their clearance center for $20/pc. I got lucky and > picked up a Intel D945GTP ... > I would recommend the above board. Thanks for the tip. From jquigley at chicagolug.org Wed Nov 1 16:37:21 2006 From: jquigley at chicagolug.org (John Quigley) Date: Wed Nov 1 16:37:51 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting Message-ID: <454921A1.8030607@chicagolug.org> Folks: The Chicago GNU/Linux Users Group has invited Richard Stallman to give a talk this coming Saturday, November 4th. He's in Chicago for a brief layover, and has asked to stop by. He'll be speaking on the Free Software movement and the GNU/Linux OS. When: Saturday, November 4, 2006 @ 10a Where: IIT campus MTCC McCloska Auditorium 3201 S State St, Chicago IL, 60616 maps.google.com: http://tinyurl.com/y75b5j The IIT campus is very accessible via public transportation. A few minutes walk from the 35th St. green and red line stops, as well as the State Street bus. Following this, the Chicago G/LUG is getting together at Argo Tea for a mini hack meeting. Free wifi and great drinks will be had, and everyone is cordially invited to join us and dive into some code; there is no structured plan for this meeting. At 3p on the same day, there is a Chicago G/LUG meeting at our usual location. Topics of presentation will be: * Linux Internals: The Linux Kernel Scheduler (Tristan Sloughter) * rPath/Conary: An Introduction into rPath and Conary (Kevin Harriss) * A Few Lines of Ruby: General Ruby Practices, by example (Evan Farrar) agenda: http://www.chicagolug.org/Agenda_2006-11-04 Our meeting is generously supported by rPath and the FSF. We'll be giving away some free gifts from both organizations. For more information, please visit our website: http://www.chicagolug.org/ Happy Hacking! The Chicago GNU/Linux Users Group From lgj at usenix.org Wed Nov 1 16:12:54 2006 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Wed Nov 1 18:45:16 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Top 5 Reasons to Attend LISA '06 Message-ID: <45493806.1030002@usenix.org> Top 5 Reasons to Attend LISA '06 LISA '06 is just around the corner. New programs are still being added. Take a look at a few of the reasons to attend: # 1. Top-notch Training Highly respected experts provide you with new information and skills you can take back to work to tomorrow. This year's program includes: * Gerald Carter on Ethereal and the Art of Debugging Networks * Richard Bejtlich on TCP/IP Weapons * Theodore Ts'o on Bzr, Hg, and Git, Oh My! Distributed Source Code Management Systems * Rik Farrow on Firewalls and Internet Security for Mac OS X * David N. Blank-Edelman on Over the Edge System Administration * And more . . . The full training program can be found at: http://www.usenix.org/lisa06/training/ # 2. Invited Talks Industry luminaries discuss timely and important topics such as: * Keynote: "Hollywood's Secret War on Your NOC," by Cory Doctorow, co-editor of Boing Boing and former Director of European Affairs for the EFF * "Corporate Security: A Hacker Perspective," by Mark "Simple Nomad" Loveless, Vernier Networks, Inc. * "Everything You Know About Monitoring is Wrong" by Mazda Marvasti, Integrien * And more . . . # 3. You'll See It Here First Cutting-edge practices and new or developing work are presented in the refereed papers track and Work-in Progress Reports (WiPs). # 4. Get Answers to Your Toughest Questions in Guru Is In and Hit the Ground Running Sessions Check out the full technical program at: http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa06/tech/ # 5. Mingle with Industry Leaders The "hallway track," evening events, and the Vendor Exhibition offer additional opportunities to network with peers to gain that all-important insider IT knowledge. Take a look at the entire list of activities at: http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa06/activities.html Don't miss this opportunity to benefit from peer interaction on the topics that mean the most to you. For complete program information and to register, see: http://www.usenix.org/lisa06/progb For a behind-the-scenes look at the conference and a sneak preview of some of the cool new things happening this year, visit the LISA '06 blog at: http://lisa.usenix.org/blogs/lisa06/ The Early Bird Registration Discount Deadline is almost upon us: Register by Friday, November 10, and save up to $300! Bringing 5 or more people from the same organization? Take advantage of the Multiple Employee Discount. For more details, see: http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa06/registration/ We're pleased to bring LISA to Washington, D.C., and look forward to seeing you there. William LeFebvre LISA '06 Program Chair lisa06chair@usenix.org ----------------------------------------------------------- LISA '06: 20th Large Installation System Administration Conference http://www.usenix.org/lisa06/proga December 3-8, 2006, Washington, D.C. Early Bird Registration Deadline: November 10, 2006 Sponsored by USENIX and SAGE ----------------------------------------------------------- From me at heyjay.com Wed Nov 1 22:36:31 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Wed Nov 1 22:36:39 2006 Subject: [LUNI] How to copy a DVD? Message-ID: I've got all these stupid Wiggles and Disney princess DVDs, that my kids are busy wrecking. (I've never seen DVDs so scratched and still work). I'm sure they will stop working very shortly. Can anyone recommend how I can copy these (ideally on a M$ machine, or somehow make an ISO from my linux box, and then transfer to my M$ box (that has the DVD burner). Otherwise I'm going to be replenishing my supply of kids movies at Target. Thanks Jay From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Wed Nov 1 22:50:18 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Wed Nov 1 22:50:23 2006 Subject: [LUNI] How to copy a DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For Windows you can use CloneDVD and AnyDVD both work incredibly well. they're both have trial versions you can use for a one time use at least. For Linux you can do this: (this is off an old guide i wrote ages ago so there might be better tools) dvdbackup -i /dev/dvd -M -o /data/dvd/mymovie mkisofs -dvd-video -v -o /data/dvd/movie.iso /data/dvd/mymovie -- Samir On 11/1/06, Jay Strauss wrote: > I've got all these stupid Wiggles and Disney princess DVDs, that my > kids are busy wrecking. (I've never seen DVDs so scratched and still > work). I'm sure they will stop working very shortly. > > Can anyone recommend how I can copy these (ideally on a M$ machine, or > somehow make an ISO from my linux box, and then transfer to my M$ box > (that has the DVD burner). Otherwise I'm going to be replenishing my > supply of kids movies at Target. > > Thanks > Jay > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Berry From wiggles at xnet.com Wed Nov 1 23:03:13 2006 From: wiggles at xnet.com (Tim Wielgos) Date: Wed Nov 1 23:03:46 2006 Subject: [LUNI] [Job] Sys/Net Admin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45497C11.4000200@xnet.com> Just as a heads up, if you're only paying up to $44k for this, you'll never fill this job with anyone worth their salt. Anyone with the knowledge you mention below is worth at least $55k. Hell, I'm making more than you're offering, and I barely qualify for what you're asking -- and I'm underpaid by about 20%. sjk wrote: > We are seeking 1, maybe 2, Linux system administrators with some > background in network administration. This is a highly diverse ISP > environment utilizing primarily open source operating systems. > Candidates should have a firm grasp of basic system administration, > and good understanding of mail processing, some knowledge of mysql, > and a high desire to learn and expand their knowledge. These are full > time positions with benefits. Compensation is budgeted at $35k-$44K > ea. If you have any questions, please contact me off list, or send a > resume to jobs@onshore.com > > Thanks -- Steve > > _____________________________________ > sjk@cupacoffee.net > http://www.auroraliberty.com > > No one can understand the truth until > he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. > ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir > From costi at rcn.com Thu Nov 2 03:16:38 2006 From: costi at rcn.com (Constantin Gavrilescu) Date: Thu Nov 2 03:16:56 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <454921A1.8030607@chicagolug.org> References: <454921A1.8030607@chicagolug.org> Message-ID: <4549B776.9050505@rcn.com> John Quigley wrote: > Folks: > > The Chicago GNU/Linux Users Group has invited Richard Stallman to give > a talk this coming Saturday, November 4th. He's in Chicago for a > brief layover, and has asked to stop by. He'll be speaking on the > Free Software movement and the GNU/Linux OS. Wow! The high priest in person... Richard Stallman. This is going to be my first time at this G/LUG meeting. Do I have to register somewhere, pay fees or do I just arrive and "participate"? From knura at yahoo.com Thu Nov 2 17:06:04 2006 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun K. Khan) Date: Thu Nov 2 05:36:14 2006 Subject: [LUNI] How to copy a DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1162467364.6154.66.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 22:36 -0600, Jay Strauss wrote: > Can anyone recommend how I can copy these (ideally on a M$ machine, or > somehow make an ISO from my linux box, and then transfer to my M$ box > (that has the DVD burner). Otherwise I'm going to be replenishing my DVDshrink. I have read reports that it works fine under wine. -- Arun Khan From zionics at crankynerd.com Thu Nov 2 08:48:52 2006 From: zionics at crankynerd.com (Scott Zionic) Date: Thu Nov 2 09:17:02 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Freenode Message-ID: <454A0554.80906@crankynerd.com> I can't connect to any Freenode IRC server (error is "Connection refused"). I can connect to other IRC networks. Is it just me? Scott From zionics at crankynerd.com Thu Nov 2 09:25:55 2006 From: zionics at crankynerd.com (Scott Zionic) Date: Thu Nov 2 09:26:08 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Freenode In-Reply-To: <454A0554.80906@crankynerd.com> References: <454A0554.80906@crankynerd.com> Message-ID: <454A0E03.60501@crankynerd.com> > I can't connect to any Freenode IRC server (error is "Connection > refused"). I can connect to other IRC networks. Never mind. Sometime during the 35 minutes this message took to show up to the list Freenode started working again. Scott From special.kevin at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 11:38:19 2006 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:36:04 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <4549B776.9050505@rcn.com> References: <454921A1.8030607@chicagolug.org> <4549B776.9050505@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1162489099.26479.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Wow! The high priest in person... Richard Stallman. This is going to be > my first time at this G/LUG meeting. Do I have to register somewhere, > pay fees or do I just arrive and "participate"? The Stallman speech is free, there will be books for sale from the FSF after the speech. You don't need to sign up or register. From JJirsa at officite.com Thu Nov 2 11:48:40 2006 From: JJirsa at officite.com (Jeff Jirsa) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:48:48 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting Message-ID: Will the general meeting at 3:00 still be at the Institute of Design? -----Original Message----- From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of John Quigley Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:37 PM To: Chigago GLUG Announce Cc: LUNI List; ChicagoTeam, ; RHS Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting Folks: The Chicago GNU/Linux Users Group has invited Richard Stallman to give a talk this coming Saturday, November 4th. He's in Chicago for a brief layover, and has asked to stop by. He'll be speaking on the Free Software movement and the GNU/Linux OS. When: Saturday, November 4, 2006 @ 10a Where: IIT campus MTCC McCloska Auditorium 3201 S State St, Chicago IL, 60616 maps.google.com: http://tinyurl.com/y75b5j The IIT campus is very accessible via public transportation. A few minutes walk from the 35th St. green and red line stops, as well as the State Street bus. Following this, the Chicago G/LUG is getting together at Argo Tea for a mini hack meeting. Free wifi and great drinks will be had, and everyone is cordially invited to join us and dive into some code; there is no structured plan for this meeting. At 3p on the same day, there is a Chicago G/LUG meeting at our usual location. Topics of presentation will be: * Linux Internals: The Linux Kernel Scheduler (Tristan Sloughter) * rPath/Conary: An Introduction into rPath and Conary (Kevin Harriss) * A Few Lines of Ruby: General Ruby Practices, by example (Evan Farrar) agenda: http://www.chicagolug.org/Agenda_2006-11-04 Our meeting is generously supported by rPath and the FSF. We'll be giving away some free gifts from both organizations. For more information, please visit our website: http://www.chicagolug.org/ Happy Hacking! The Chicago GNU/Linux Users Group -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From JJirsa at officite.com Thu Nov 2 11:49:46 2006 From: JJirsa at officite.com (Jeff Jirsa) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:49:55 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting Message-ID: DOH! I guess I should read the whole message! -----Original Message----- From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of John Quigley Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:37 PM To: Chigago GLUG Announce Cc: LUNI List; ChicagoTeam, ; RHS Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting ... From special.kevin at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 12:11:40 2006 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Thu Nov 2 12:09:01 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1162491100.26479.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 11:48 -0600, Jeff Jirsa wrote: > Will the general meeting at 3:00 still be at the Institute of Design? Yes, the general meeting will still be at the Institute of Design. After the lecture by Stallman, a group of us will be going to Argo Tea at 16 W. Randolph St. here is a map: http://tinyurl.com/ynx26g Kevin From lists at redboy.cx Thu Nov 2 12:03:38 2006 From: lists at redboy.cx (sten) Date: Thu Nov 2 12:27:49 2006 Subject: [LUNI] virtual hosting providers? Message-ID: We just had this discussion, but I'm interested in seeing what LUNI folk have to say this time around- I've been using a virtual node provided by Linode (linode.com) for a year or two now, and, while it served my needs when I first started, I'm running about a dozen LAMP applications now. With only 100MB RAM, its dog slow. I got another node at Tektonic.net, which was cheaper per-month for 256MB RAM, more disk and more bandwidth, but I just had an 8-hour unplanned outage on my node, and the most they told me was "we're having a problem" in response to my first support ticket, and "it's up" when they closed it. Other people on their forums complain about repeated, long outages, and the same abysmal communication. Since I'm looking to start hosting other people's sites and applications, I need to grow, but I need stability, too. I'm thinking about just upgrading my Linode, but since my "customers" are NPOs that I'll be giving space to for free, I don't really want to spend more than about $40/mo, and I'm not sure Linode's plan in that bracket will cover me. What else are LUNIs using that you can recommend? Thanks! Sten From kr at cybsft.com Thu Nov 2 12:38:48 2006 From: kr at cybsft.com (K.R. Foley) Date: Thu Nov 2 12:53:13 2006 Subject: [LUNI] virtual hosting providers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454A3B38.9070005@cybsft.com> sten wrote: > We just had this discussion, but I'm interested in seeing what LUNI folk have to say this time around- I've been using a virtual node provided by Linode (linode.com) for a year or two now, and, while it served my needs when I first started, I'm running about a dozen LAMP applications now. With only 100MB RAM, its dog slow. I got another node at Tektonic.net, which was cheaper per-month for 256MB RAM, more disk and more bandwidth, but I just had an 8-hour unplanned outage on my node, and the most they told me was "we're having a problem" in response to my first support ticket, and "it's up" when they closed it. Other people on their forums complain about repeated, long outages, and the same abysmal communication. Since I'm looking to start hosting other people's sites and applications, I need to grow, but I need stability, too. > > I'm thinking about just upgrading my Linode, but since my "customers" are NPOs that I'll be giving space to for free, I don't really want to spend more than about $40/mo, and I'm not sure Linode's plan in that bracket will cover me. What else are LUNIs using that you can recommend? > > Thanks! > > Sten > It isn't virtual hosting but take a look at pair Networks www.pair.com. Not the cheapest hosting but definitely rock solid and cheap enough. -- kr From skie at dragonsvalley.com Thu Nov 2 12:57:12 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Thu Nov 2 12:55:04 2006 Subject: [LUNI] virtual hosting providers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611021257.12562.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Is there a reason you wish to use a VPS over a shared host? Unless you really prefer to have direct control over you virtual OS, I would think that going with a decent shared host may work better for you. By decent, I mean one that doesn't oversell their servers like most tend to do (and don't forget reliability and overall quality of service). On Thursday 02 November 2006 12:03 pm, sten wrote: > We just had this discussion, but I'm interested in seeing what LUNI folk > have to say this time around- I've been using a virtual node provided by > Linode (linode.com) for a year or two now, and, while it served my needs > when I first started, I'm running about a dozen LAMP applications now. With > only 100MB RAM, its dog slow. I got another node at Tektonic.net, which was > cheaper per-month for 256MB RAM, more disk and more bandwidth, but I just > had an 8-hour unplanned outage on my node, and the most they told me was > "we're having a problem" in response to my first support ticket, and "it's > up" when they closed it. Other people on their forums complain about > repeated, long outages, and the same abysmal communication. Since I'm > looking to start hosting other people's sites and applications, I need to > grow, but I need stability, too. > > I'm thinking about just upgrading my Linode, but since my "customers" are > NPOs that I'll be giving space to for free, I don't really want to spend > more than about $40/mo, and I'm not sure Linode's plan in that bracket will > cover me. What else are LUNIs using that you can recommend? > > Thanks! > > Sten From me at heyjay.com Thu Nov 2 12:55:53 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Thu Nov 2 12:56:01 2006 Subject: [LUNI] How to copy a DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > For Linux you can do this: (this is off an old guide i wrote ages ago > so there might be better tools) > > dvdbackup -i /dev/dvd -M -o /data/dvd/mymovie > mkisofs -dvd-video -v -o /data/dvd/movie.iso /data/dvd/mymovie > So then I can take that *.iso to my windows machine and write it to a dvd using something like roxio or magiciso? Thanks Jay From lists at redboy.cx Thu Nov 2 12:59:23 2006 From: lists at redboy.cx (sten) Date: Thu Nov 2 12:59:26 2006 Subject: [LUNI] virtual hosting providers? In-Reply-To: <200611021257.12562.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200611021257.12562.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:57:12 -0600, Branko Kotur wrote: > Is there a reason you wish to use a VPS over a shared host? I do a lot of fun and funny stuff with mail, I use my node as the head of my VPN, and I'm looking at running up Asterisk for my next project. Most of what I do is LAMP, but not all. Sten From cgmckeever at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 13:20:16 2006 From: cgmckeever at gmail.com (Chris McKeever) Date: Thu Nov 2 13:20:31 2006 Subject: [LUNI] virtual hosting providers? In-Reply-To: References: <200611021257.12562.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: I've used tektonic - and have had the same experience of the OP - vpsland - have had bad experience with them rimuhosting - LOVE THEM - a little more for a little less, but thier support is awesome On 11/2/06, sten wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:57:12 -0600, Branko Kotur wrote: > > Is there a reason you wish to use a VPS over a shared host? > > I do a lot of fun and funny stuff with mail, I use my node as the head of my VPN, and I'm looking at running up Asterisk for my next project. Most of what I do is LAMP, but not all. > > Sten > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From cedrickj at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 14:21:38 2006 From: cedrickj at gmail.com (Cedrick Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 2 13:21:45 2006 Subject: [LUNI] MSFT to partner with Novell Message-ID: <6feb0b1a0611021121o6927315bldbc0c627da69cf16@mail.gmail.com> >From Reuters: "SEATTLE, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. MSFT Chief Executive Steve Ballmer will make a major technology industry announcement later on Thursday, the company said. A news conference will take place at 2 p.m. PST/2200 GMT in San Francisco. Microsoft did not disclose more details about the content of the announcement." 14:04 11/02 *WSJ: Microsoft Entering Partnership With Novell - Sources > 14:07 11/02 *WSJ: Microsoft To Offer Sales Support For Novell System < > By Robert A. Guth Of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is entering an unusual partnership with Novell Inc. (NOVL) that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the software giant's Windows software, people familiar with the companies told The Wall Street Journal Thursday. Under the pact, which isn't final, Microsoft will offer sales support of Suse Linux, a version of the operating system sold by Novell. The two companies have also agreed to develop technologies to make it easier for users to run both Suse Linux and Microsoft's Windows on their computers. The two companies are expected to announce details of their plan Thursday at a press conference in San Francisco. In addition, Microsoft won't assert rights over patents over software technology that may be incorporated into Suse Linux, the people said. Businesses that use Linux have long worried that Microsoft would one day file patent infringement suits against sellers of the rival software. (This story and related background material will be available on The Wall Street Journal Web site, WSJ.com.) The pact marks an unusual level of cooperation between two longtime rivals. Microsoft has been battling all versions of Linux, but has faced pressure to assure that customers can run both Windows and Linux without problems. By forging a peace pact with one seller of Linux, Microsoft could raise pressure on Red Hat Inc. (RHAT), the leading provider of Linux, and a Novell rival. Last week, Oracle Corp. (ORCL) announced that it would start selling its own support for Red Hat's version of Linux, a plan that undercuts Red Hat's own business, which is based on providing support and maintenance. Red Hat's shares fell sharply after that announcement. Novell, originally known for a network operating system called NetWare, has also scrapped with Microsoft over sales of desktop application programs after Novell bought Wordperfect Corp. and rights to the Quattro Pro spreadsheet for more than $1.4 billion. Partly because of stiff competition from Microsoft, Novell later sold those products for about $170 million; it filed an antitrust suit in 2004 against Microsoft, seeking damages related to the tactics Microsoft used in the applications-software market. Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer is in San Francisco to announce the pact. Spokesmen for Microsoft and Novell couldn't be reached for comment. -- "But when you're passionate you can do anything." Michael Milken From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Thu Nov 2 13:33:22 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Thu Nov 2 13:33:27 2006 Subject: [LUNI] How to copy a DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yup. Once you get an iso you can use anything you want to burn it with. On 11/2/06, Jay Strauss wrote: > > > > For Linux you can do this: (this is off an old guide i wrote ages ago > > so there might be better tools) > > > > dvdbackup -i /dev/dvd -M -o /data/dvd/mymovie > > mkisofs -dvd-video -v -o /data/dvd/movie.iso /data/dvd/mymovie > > > > So then I can take that *.iso to my windows machine and write it to a > dvd using something like roxio or magiciso? > > Thanks > Jay > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Berry From mlabowicz at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:32:05 2006 From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:32:25 2006 Subject: [LUNI] MSFT to partner with Novell In-Reply-To: <6feb0b1a0611021121o6927315bldbc0c627da69cf16@mail.gmail.com> References: <6feb0b1a0611021121o6927315bldbc0c627da69cf16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: April Fools! On 11/2/06, Cedrick Johnson wrote: > > >From Reuters: > "SEATTLE, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. MSFT Chief > Executive Steve Ballmer will make a major technology industry > announcement later on Thursday, the company said. > A news conference will take place at 2 p.m. PST/2200 GMT in > San Francisco. Microsoft did not disclose more details about > the content of the announcement." > > 14:04 11/02 *WSJ: Microsoft Entering Partnership With Novell - Sources > > 14:07 11/02 *WSJ: Microsoft To Offer Sales Support For Novell System < > > > By Robert A. Guth > Of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL > Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is entering an unusual partnership with Novell > Inc. > (NOVL) that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the > software giant's Windows software, people familiar with the companies told > The > Wall Street Journal Thursday. > Under the pact, which isn't final, Microsoft will offer sales support of > Suse > Linux, a version of the operating system sold by Novell. The two companies > have > also agreed to develop technologies to make it easier for users to run > both > Suse Linux and Microsoft's Windows on their computers. The two companies > are > expected to announce details of their plan Thursday at a press conference > in > San Francisco. > In addition, Microsoft won't assert rights over patents over software > technology that may be incorporated into Suse Linux, the people said. > Businesses that use Linux have long worried that Microsoft would one day > file > patent infringement suits against sellers of the rival software. > (This story and related background material will be available on The > Wall > Street Journal Web site, WSJ.com.) > The pact marks an unusual level of cooperation between two longtime > rivals. > Microsoft has been battling all versions of Linux, but has faced pressure > to > assure that customers can run both Windows and Linux without problems. > By forging a peace pact with one seller of Linux, Microsoft could raise > pressure on Red Hat Inc. (RHAT), the leading provider of Linux, and a > Novell > rival. Last week, Oracle Corp. (ORCL) announced that it would start > selling > its > own support for Red Hat's version of Linux, a plan that undercuts Red > Hat's > own > business, which is based on providing support and maintenance. Red Hat's > shares > fell sharply after that announcement. > Novell, originally known for a network operating system called NetWare, > has > also scrapped with Microsoft over sales of desktop application programs > after > Novell bought Wordperfect Corp. and rights to the Quattro Pro spreadsheet > for > more than $1.4 billion. Partly because of stiff competition from > Microsoft, > Novell later sold those products for about $170 million; it filed an > antitrust > suit in 2004 against Microsoft, seeking damages related to the tactics > Microsoft used in the applications-software market. > Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer is in San Francisco to announce > the > pact. Spokesmen for Microsoft and Novell couldn't be reached for comment. > -- Michael Labowicz http://www.labowicz.com/blog/ From cedrickj at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 17:00:34 2006 From: cedrickj at gmail.com (Cedrick Johnson) Date: Thu Nov 2 16:00:47 2006 Subject: [LUNI] MSFT to partner with Novell In-Reply-To: References: <6feb0b1a0611021121o6927315bldbc0c627da69cf16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6feb0b1a0611021400v1a9dcd0cu1739ee0580189a37@mail.gmail.com> nope! look on CNBC, reuters or bloomberg. NOVL at 6.79 +.92 RHAT at 16.10 -.33 i didn't believe it when it was yelled out on the desk, but alas, I guess even hell has frozen over.... On 11/2/06, Michael Labowicz wrote: > > April Fools! > > On 11/2/06, Cedrick Johnson wrote: > > > > >From Reuters: > > "SEATTLE, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. MSFT Chief > > Executive Steve Ballmer will make a major technology industry > > announcement later on Thursday, the company said. > > A news conference will take place at 2 p.m. PST/2200 GMT in > > San Francisco. Microsoft did not disclose more details about > > the content of the announcement." > > > > 14:04 11/02 *WSJ: Microsoft Entering Partnership With Novell - Sources > > > 14:07 11/02 *WSJ: Microsoft To Offer Sales Support For Novell System < > > > > > By Robert A. Guth > > Of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL > > Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is entering an unusual partnership with Novell > > Inc. > > (NOVL) that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the > > software giant's Windows software, people familiar with the companies > told > > The > > Wall Street Journal Thursday. > > Under the pact, which isn't final, Microsoft will offer sales support > of > > Suse > > Linux, a version of the operating system sold by Novell. The two > companies > > have > > also agreed to develop technologies to make it easier for users to run > > both > > Suse Linux and Microsoft's Windows on their computers. The two companies > > are > > expected to announce details of their plan Thursday at a press > conference > > in > > San Francisco. > > In addition, Microsoft won't assert rights over patents over software > > technology that may be incorporated into Suse Linux, the people said. > > Businesses that use Linux have long worried that Microsoft would one day > > file > > patent infringement suits against sellers of the rival software. > > (This story and related background material will be available on The > > Wall > > Street Journal Web site, WSJ.com.) > > The pact marks an unusual level of cooperation between two longtime > > rivals. > > Microsoft has been battling all versions of Linux, but has faced > pressure > > to > > assure that customers can run both Windows and Linux without problems. > > By forging a peace pact with one seller of Linux, Microsoft could > raise > > pressure on Red Hat Inc. (RHAT), the leading provider of Linux, and a > > Novell > > rival. Last week, Oracle Corp. (ORCL) announced that it would start > > selling > > its > > own support for Red Hat's version of Linux, a plan that undercuts Red > > Hat's > > own > > business, which is based on providing support and maintenance. Red Hat's > > shares > > fell sharply after that announcement. > > Novell, originally known for a network operating system called > NetWare, > > has > > also scrapped with Microsoft over sales of desktop application programs > > after > > Novell bought Wordperfect Corp. and rights to the Quattro Pro > spreadsheet > > for > > more than $1.4 billion. Partly because of stiff competition from > > Microsoft, > > Novell later sold those products for about $170 million; it filed an > > antitrust > > suit in 2004 against Microsoft, seeking damages related to the tactics > > Microsoft used in the applications-software market. > > Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer is in San Francisco to > announce > > the > > pact. Spokesmen for Microsoft and Novell couldn't be reached for > comment. > > > > -- > Michael Labowicz > http://www.labowicz.com/blog/ > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- "But when you're passionate you can do anything." Michael Milken From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Thu Nov 2 16:50:07 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Thu Nov 2 16:50:17 2006 Subject: [LUNI] MSFT to partner with Novell In-Reply-To: <6feb0b1a0611021400v1a9dcd0cu1739ee0580189a37@mail.gmail.com> References: <6feb0b1a0611021121o6927315bldbc0c627da69cf16@mail.gmail.com> <6feb0b1a0611021400v1a9dcd0cu1739ee0580189a37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: http://www.cybersalt.org/cl_images/1zzzzya/signs/signhell.jpg I'll send out a more formal announcement, but the UIC LUG will have a rep from Novell at the install fest on nov. 18th. We can bring this up then and see if he has any info on the subject. -- Samir On 11/2/06, Cedrick Johnson wrote: > nope! > > look on CNBC, reuters or bloomberg. > > NOVL at 6.79 +.92 > RHAT at 16.10 -.33 > > i didn't believe it when it was yelled out on the desk, but alas, I guess > even hell has frozen over.... > > > On 11/2/06, Michael Labowicz wrote: > > > > April Fools! > > > > On 11/2/06, Cedrick Johnson wrote: > > > > > > >From Reuters: > > > "SEATTLE, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. MSFT Chief > > > Executive Steve Ballmer will make a major technology industry > > > announcement later on Thursday, the company said. > > > A news conference will take place at 2 p.m. PST/2200 GMT in > > > San Francisco. Microsoft did not disclose more details about > > > the content of the announcement." > > > > > > 14:04 11/02 *WSJ: Microsoft Entering Partnership With Novell - Sources > > > > 14:07 11/02 *WSJ: Microsoft To Offer Sales Support For Novell System < > > > > > > > By Robert A. Guth > > > Of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL > > > Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is entering an unusual partnership with Novell > > > Inc. > > > (NOVL) that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the > > > software giant's Windows software, people familiar with the companies > > told > > > The > > > Wall Street Journal Thursday. > > > Under the pact, which isn't final, Microsoft will offer sales support > > of > > > Suse > > > Linux, a version of the operating system sold by Novell. The two > > companies > > > have > > > also agreed to develop technologies to make it easier for users to run > > > both > > > Suse Linux and Microsoft's Windows on their computers. The two companies > > > are > > > expected to announce details of their plan Thursday at a press > > conference > > > in > > > San Francisco. > > > In addition, Microsoft won't assert rights over patents over software > > > technology that may be incorporated into Suse Linux, the people said. > > > Businesses that use Linux have long worried that Microsoft would one day > > > file > > > patent infringement suits against sellers of the rival software. > > > (This story and related background material will be available on The > > > Wall > > > Street Journal Web site, WSJ.com.) > > > The pact marks an unusual level of cooperation between two longtime > > > rivals. > > > Microsoft has been battling all versions of Linux, but has faced > > pressure > > > to > > > assure that customers can run both Windows and Linux without problems. > > > By forging a peace pact with one seller of Linux, Microsoft could > > raise > > > pressure on Red Hat Inc. (RHAT), the leading provider of Linux, and a > > > Novell > > > rival. Last week, Oracle Corp. (ORCL) announced that it would start > > > selling > > > its > > > own support for Red Hat's version of Linux, a plan that undercuts Red > > > Hat's > > > own > > > business, which is based on providing support and maintenance. Red Hat's > > > shares > > > fell sharply after that announcement. > > > Novell, originally known for a network operating system called > > NetWare, > > > has > > > also scrapped with Microsoft over sales of desktop application programs > > > after > > > Novell bought Wordperfect Corp. and rights to the Quattro Pro > > spreadsheet > > > for > > > more than $1.4 billion. Partly because of stiff competition from > > > Microsoft, > > > Novell later sold those products for about $170 million; it filed an > > > antitrust > > > suit in 2004 against Microsoft, seeking damages related to the tactics > > > Microsoft used in the applications-software market. > > > Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer is in San Francisco to > > announce > > > the > > > pact. Spokesmen for Microsoft and Novell couldn't be reached for > > comment. > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Labowicz > > http://www.labowicz.com/blog/ > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > > > -- > > "But when you're passionate you can do anything." > Michael Milken > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Berry From mlabowicz at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 23:10:46 2006 From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz) Date: Sun Nov 5 23:10:56 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue In-Reply-To: <45477F83.8010201@fnal.gov> References: <45477F83.8010201@fnal.gov> Message-ID: On 10/31/06, Gerald Guglielmo wrote: > > Hi, > Possibly a problem with the router itself? I had a D-Link router > hooked up to a cable modem for a couple of years with few problems. Then > I started noticing once in a while the internal network would still work > but connecting to the external network would fail. Power cycling the > cable box would sometimes resolve the problem and sometimes power > cycling the router instead would be needed. Over time this became more > frequent and I could find no good way with that setup to isolate the > problem to the cable company side, the cable modem or the router. I did > try various arrangements but it was at the point of having to power > cycle devices multiple times before it would work. The only complaint I > would see from the router was a timeout on trying to renew the DHCP > lease. Anyway when this reached the point of being an issue every day, I > went and bought a new router (same basic one) configured it like the old > one, and swapped it in. Haven't had to power cycle anything since then > (over six weeks), so I guessed right that the issue was the > communication between the router and the cable modem and replacing what > I could before calling the cable company. > Barring a hardware problem developing, it would be good to know if > this happens to a connection while you are actively using it > (downloading a large file for example), or only to connections with no > activity for a while. > > Hi, just wanted to let everyone know that power cycling the router solved the problem. Next time I'll try that first. Who would have thought that turning it off and on again would work! -- Michael Labowicz http://www.labowicz.com/blog/ From patwhite at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 23:59:46 2006 From: patwhite at sbcglobal.net (Patrick R. White) Date: Sun Nov 5 23:59:58 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue In-Reply-To: References: <45477F83.8010201@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <454ECF52.3@sbcglobal.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20061105/256ef863/attachment.htm From jrstark at barntowire.com Mon Nov 6 00:04:13 2006 From: jrstark at barntowire.com (Janine Starykowicz) Date: Mon Nov 6 00:04:12 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue In-Reply-To: <454ECF52.3@sbcglobal.net> References: <45477F83.8010201@fnal.gov> <454ECF52.3@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <454ED05D.8080608@barntowire.com> Patrick R. White wrote: > I had to do that just a couple of days ago. When rebooting doesn't > work I pull the power cord and leave it out about 5 minutes before > plugging it back in and then rebooting. This happens about every two > or three months! You don't need that long. About 30 seconds or so is enough. I have also "rebooted" my car to fix various things ;-) First rule of electronics, when something weird happens, try powering off. Janine From knura at yahoo.com Mon Nov 6 17:33:22 2006 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun K. Khan) Date: Mon Nov 6 06:03:36 2006 Subject: [LUNI] [OT] Novell/MS deal (Humor) Message-ID: <1162814603.9219.1.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> http://humorix.org/articles/2006/11/hades/ -- akk From maney at two14.net Mon Nov 6 07:06:03 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon Nov 6 07:06:12 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue In-Reply-To: <454ED05D.8080608@barntowire.com> References: <45477F83.8010201@fnal.gov> <454ECF52.3@sbcglobal.net> <454ED05D.8080608@barntowire.com> Message-ID: <20061106130603.GA17653@furrr.two14.net> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:04:13AM -0600, Janine Starykowicz wrote: > I have also "rebooted" my car to fix various things ;-) Roll down the windows, get out of the car, get back in, roll 'em up? Like that? :-) -- Self-pity can make one weep, as can onions. -- Fodor From jrstark at barntowire.com Mon Nov 6 08:07:46 2006 From: jrstark at barntowire.com (Janine Starykowicz) Date: Mon Nov 6 08:07:43 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue In-Reply-To: <20061106130603.GA17653@furrr.two14.net> References: <45477F83.8010201@fnal.gov> <454ECF52.3@sbcglobal.net> <454ED05D.8080608@barntowire.com> <20061106130603.GA17653@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <454F41B2.3070802@barntowire.com> Martin Maney wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:04:13AM -0600, Janine Starykowicz wrote: > >> I have also "rebooted" my car to fix various things ;-) >> > > Roll down the windows, get out of the car, get back in, roll 'em up? > Like that? :-) Very old joke ;-) But seriously, just turning it off for awhile has been known to work. Janine From mswier at yahoo.com Mon Nov 6 06:11:14 2006 From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier) Date: Mon Nov 6 08:11:34 2006 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 11/7/06 Message-ID: <20061106141114.70992.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi, NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on Tuesday 11/7/06. For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/httpd/html/meetings.html#nextmtg mikie -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From mlabowicz at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 09:22:37 2006 From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz) Date: Mon Nov 6 09:22:45 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <454921A1.8030607@chicagolug.org> References: <454921A1.8030607@chicagolug.org> Message-ID: On 11/1/06, John Quigley wrote: > > Folks: > > The Chicago GNU/Linux Users Group has invited Richard Stallman to give a > talk this coming Saturday, November 4th. He's in Chicago for a brief > layover, and has asked to stop by. He'll be speaking on the Free > Software movement and the GNU/Linux OS. > Unfortunately I had other plans for Saturday. How did the meeting with Stallman go? I'm curious about what he presented. -- Michael Labowicz http://www.labowicz.com/blog/ From sayenko at uicalumni.org Mon Nov 6 08:00:55 2006 From: sayenko at uicalumni.org (Olga Sayenko) Date: Mon Nov 6 10:01:08 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061106160055.48479.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com> I was a little disappointed. The gist of the talk was: free software is good. Proprietary software is bad. Opens source is not hardcore enough, so open source is bad. Richard Stallman bases his entire argument for free software on (very simplistic) ideology. Which is fine, but there are fare more compelling arguments for it. At the end Stallman did his "church of emacs" (http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion/) bit. It was hilarious. To be honest, I wasn't entirely clear on the free software vs. open source, and GNU vs. Linux distinctions and the talk was very informative on this topic. But I wish he talked more about emacs and his work as a programmer. -------------------- olga sayenko Michael Labowicz wrote: On 11/1/06, John Quigley wrote: > > Folks: > > The Chicago GNU/Linux Users Group has invited Richard Stallman to give a > talk this coming Saturday, November 4th. He's in Chicago for a brief > layover, and has asked to stop by. He'll be speaking on the Free > Software movement and the GNU/Linux OS. > Unfortunately I had other plans for Saturday. How did the meeting with Stallman go? I'm curious about what he presented. -- Michael Labowicz http://www.labowicz.com/blog/ -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From patwhite at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 6 11:19:15 2006 From: patwhite at sbcglobal.net (Patrick R. White) Date: Mon Nov 6 11:19:28 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue In-Reply-To: <454F41B2.3070802@barntowire.com> References: <45477F83.8010201@fnal.gov> <454ECF52.3@sbcglobal.net> <454ED05D.8080608@barntowire.com> <20061106130603.GA17653@furrr.two14.net> <454F41B2.3070802@barntowire.com> Message-ID: <454F6E93.7070201@sbcglobal.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20061106/1e9c597c/attachment.htm From mmatula at ratula.net Mon Nov 6 11:58:50 2006 From: mmatula at ratula.net (Mark Matula) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:02:42 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue In-Reply-To: <454F41B2.3070802@barntowire.com> References: <454ECF52.3@sbcglobal.net> <454ED05D.8080608@barntowire.com> <454F41B2.3070802@barntowire.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Janine Starykowicz wrote: > But seriously, just turning it off for awhile has been known to work. I've 'fixed' an errant "ABS" indicator light like that a few times myself. As for APs, I jsut replaced a Linksys on which the wireless portion will lock up about once a day. The LAN activity light keeps flickering away, but the radio just drops out. A quick power-cycle always brought it back, but it had to go. . . . -- Mark Matula There are never any bugs you haven't found yet. From jquigley at chicagolug.org Mon Nov 6 13:05:28 2006 From: jquigley at chicagolug.org (John Quigley) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:05:37 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20061106160055.48479.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061106160055.48479.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <454F8778.6020505@chicagolug.org> Olga Sayenko wrote: > But I wish he talked more about emacs and his work as a programmer. I think that's a shared sentiment amongst many of us. I'm particularly interested in hearing about his contributions to AI (namely, dependency-directed backtracking), as well as his work in duplicating the Symbolics Lisp machine. Since the IIT crowd was a rather technical one, I made several indirect requests that he give us some historical and technical insight. In transit to the talk, I broached the subject outright, asking if he could talk about his development work. His basic feelings were that his work in this realm is incidental and unimportant; he feels his conveyance of the FSF/GNU principals is far more critical, and he views talking about deeply technical issues to be a waste of the listeners time. I disagree, but, oh well. In any event, it was a streamlined, interesting talk, and thanks to everyone who made it out. We'll have an audio recording and images of the event up on the Chicago G/LUG website in the next few days. - John Quigley From jquigley at chicagolug.org Mon Nov 6 14:56:17 2006 From: jquigley at chicagolug.org (John Quigley) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:56:21 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <454F8778.6020505@chicagolug.org> References: <20061106160055.48479.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com> <454F8778.6020505@chicagolug.org> Message-ID: <454FA171.3050400@chicagolug.org> John Quigley wrote: > We'll have an audio recording and images of the event up on the Chicago > G/LUG website in the next few days. http://www.chicagolug.org/Media:RMS.ogg Images are still forthcoming. Watch this thread for updates: http://www.chicagolug.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=737 - John Quigley From costi at rcn.com Mon Nov 6 14:57:00 2006 From: costi at rcn.com (Constantin Gavrilescu) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:57:23 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Richard Stallman and Chicago G/LUG Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <454921A1.8030607@chicagolug.org> Message-ID: <454FA19C.7050405@rcn.com> Michael Labowicz wrote: > On 11/1/06, John Quigley wrote: >> >> Folks: >> >> The Chicago GNU/Linux Users Group has invited Richard Stallman to give a >> talk this coming Saturday, November 4th. He's in Chicago for a brief >> layover, and has asked to stop by. He'll be speaking on the Free >> Software movement and the GNU/Linux OS. >> > > Unfortunately I had other plans for Saturday. How did the meeting with > Stallman go? I'm curious about what he presented. It was a political speech about free software, the fact that Linux should be Gnu/Linux, and he kept insisting that when you use proprietary software you lose your freedom. Does my car's computer have free software? Does my car gives freedom than it takes? I think it does. Does my cell phone's operating system is free? No. It gives me more freedom to talk whenever I want to? Yes. I am always trading some freedoms for other freedoms? Yes. How to do a Richard Stallman speech: Browse the site www.gnu.org and extract random quotes from there. Put them together in a speech. Grow a beard and long hair so you look like the Beatles guru. Now this is important: during the speech pick your nose and your ears often in the middle of the sentence then look at your finger to see what you have picked up. It was boring as hell. From mscott at pyewacket.org Tue Nov 7 09:01:10 2006 From: mscott at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Tue Nov 7 10:01:21 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue Message-ID: <20061107090110.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.ea849f61f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I've had a couple of Linksys WAPs. I had an old 802.11b and now a b/g that have worked without any issues. The only problem I have ever had with Linksys was their switches sometimes get mood if you plug in live cables before powering them up. Sometimes flashing to the latest firmware solves strange problems. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Strange wireless AP issue > From: Mark Matula > Date: Mon, November 06, 2006 11:58 am > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Janine Starykowicz wrote: > > > But seriously, just turning it off for awhile has been known to work. > > I've 'fixed' an errant "ABS" indicator light like that a few times myself. > > As for APs, I jsut replaced a Linksys on which the wireless portion will > lock up about once a day. The LAN activity light keeps flickering away, but > the radio just drops out. A quick power-cycle always brought it back, but > it had to go. . . . > > -- > Mark Matula > There are never any bugs you haven't found yet. > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From skie at dragonsvalley.com Tue Nov 7 11:14:52 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:11:47 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet Message-ID: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Currently, Verizon offers Fiber to the Home through their FIOS service in select states. AT&T/SBC areas like Chicago won't ever see Verizon's FIOS. I've seen mention of AT&T's Lightspeed project, but nothing about Chicago. The only thing their website mentions is offering TV service through "U-Verse". Nothing about Fiber based internet. I even tried calling them, but their sales didn't know anything. So, does anyone have any idea of when Chicago and the suburbs will start seeing Fiber based internet? From bray at sent.com Tue Nov 7 11:36:47 2006 From: bray at sent.com (bray@sent.com) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:36:48 2006 Subject: [LUNI] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. Message-ID: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thursday November 9 2006. 7:00 pm. This may be our best meeting yet. This is our regular Thurs. meeting. In addition stay tuned for a special meeting to welcome Ed Leafe http://chipy.org/EdOnDabo. Please ping the list to tell us what you want to address in your lightning talk. Lets try to get one talk from each brave soul for about 5 minutes a piece. Topics ------ - Python Mock Library - fawad - Web log generation and parsing - lightning talks Location -------- Daisychain - 2159 W 21st Pl, Chicago il 60608 http://www.dai5ychain.net/ map - http://tinyurl.com/ybdcxb About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: --- From jlm at uic.edu Tue Nov 7 11:36:53 2006 From: jlm at uic.edu (John Mason) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:37:01 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <20061107173652.GC3512@uic.edu> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:14:52AM -0600, Branko Kotur wrote: > Currently, Verizon offers Fiber to the Home through their FIOS service in > select states. AT&T/SBC areas like Chicago won't ever see Verizon's FIOS. > I've seen mention of AT&T's Lightspeed project, but nothing about Chicago. > The only thing their website mentions is offering TV service > through "U-Verse". Nothing about Fiber based internet. I even tried calling > them, but their sales didn't know anything. > > So, does anyone have any idea of when Chicago and the suburbs will start > seeing Fiber based internet? This sounds way too familiar. Something about when will Ameritech start deploying DSL in Chicago..... -- %40 <- Ceci n'est pas une @. John Mason - jlm@uic.edu University of Illinois at Chicago - Academic Computing and Communcations Center Usenet Administrator, Listserv Administrator, Sun Software Contact et al. From bray at sent.com Tue Nov 7 11:38:38 2006 From: bray at sent.com (bray@sent.com) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:38:38 2006 Subject: [LUNI] ChiPy (Special) Meeting, Tuesday 14th 5:30 pm. Message-ID: <1162921118.26732.275232016@webmail.messagingengine.com> NOTE: This is a special meeting on next Tuesday in addition to our normal Thursday meeting. Attend both, if you can. Tuesday. November 14 2006. 5:30 pm. Topics ------ Ed Leaf on Dabo is an open-source framework for developing desktop (i.e., rich client) applications in Python. Details ======= Dabo is an open-source framework for developing desktop (i.e., rich client) applications in Python. Its primary target is the group of developers who come from a background in the proprietary Microsoft-centric tools, such as Visual FoxPro and Visual Basic, but it also targets Delphi, Filemaker, and other desktop application development systems who want rich client applications that run unmodified on Windows, Linux and OS X. The focus of the talk will be on the visual tools available in Dabo to help you quickly develop serious database applications in Python. Parts of the talk will also be directed toward existing wxPython developers who love the results of working with that UI toolkit, but who hate the non-Pythonic interface. Location -------- Monadnock Building at 53 W. Jackson in downtown Chicago: Conference Room 826. Alternatively, if we need more space, we will relocate to the restaurant on the first floor: http://www.cavanaughschicago.com. We will leave a note with the gaurd in case we relocate. RSVP to carl at personnelware.com Stay tuned to the mailing list for more details. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: --- From maney at two14.net Tue Nov 7 12:42:20 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue Nov 7 12:42:30 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <20061107184220.GA18534@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:14:52AM -0600, Branko Kotur wrote: > So, does anyone have any idea of when Chicago and the suburbs will start > seeing Fiber based internet? I believe the best guess is that Beelzebub will be opening a hockey club first. -- A delicate balance is necessary between sticking with the things you know and can rely upon, and exploring things which have the potential to be better. Assuming that either of these strategies is the one true way is silly. -- Graydon Hoare From ken at stox.org Tue Nov 7 13:14:46 2006 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:15:00 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <1162926886.16059.88.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 11:14 -0600, Branko Kotur wrote: > So, does anyone have any idea of when Chicago and the suburbs will start > seeing Fiber based internet? If you mean Fiber To the premises, never. AT&T's current plan is to run fiber to the node, and copper from there. Outside of the last mile, most of your internet traffic is running over fiber already. From skie at dragonsvalley.com Tue Nov 7 13:38:10 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:35:02 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <1162926886.16059.88.camel@stox.dyndns.org> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1162926886.16059.88.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200611071338.10321.skie@dragonsvalley.com> On Tuesday 07 November 2006 1:14 pm, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > If you mean Fiber To the premises, never. AT&T's current plan is to run > fiber to the node, and copper from there. Outside of the last mile, most > of your internet traffic is running over fiber already. >From what I've read (if it's correct), AT&T's Lightspeed was supposed to be FTTP. From EHorn at aad.org Tue Nov 7 13:30:51 2006 From: EHorn at aad.org (Erik Horn) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:37:47 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <71E5F38CEB223D4E89B9CCA16116CCE404361F@aadexchange-ha1.aad.org> Granted, I don't have all the details, however I recently upgraded my companies data services with AT&T, and the sales weasel let slip that Lightspeed apparently was due out very soon, and it will be in the Chicago market. HD tv with 5/Meg Internet over the link. He didnt know pricing. I also saw however Cisco recently obtained a patent on the essence of Lightspeed, so there is some concern it may stall the project. Erik ________________________________ From: luni-bounces@luni.org on behalf of Branko Kotur Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 11:14 AM To: luni@luni.org Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet Currently, Verizon offers Fiber to the Home through their FIOS service in select states. AT&T/SBC areas like Chicago won't ever see Verizon's FIOS. I've seen mention of AT&T's Lightspeed project, but nothing about Chicago. The only thing their website mentions is offering TV service through "U-Verse". Nothing about Fiber based internet. I even tried calling them, but their sales didn't know anything. So, does anyone have any idea of when Chicago and the suburbs will start seeing Fiber based internet? -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4499 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20061107/d8e1a559/attachment.bin From ogradymp at yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 11:52:47 2006 From: ogradymp at yahoo.com (Michael P. O'Grady) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:59:34 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet Message-ID: <20061107195247.2363.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> It was originally Fiber to the Node. However, it appears that some of the first sites that had this (in Texas) are in process of being switched over to FTTP. ----- Original Message ---- From: Branko Kotur To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2006 1:38:10 PM Subject: Re: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet On Tuesday 07 November 2006 1:14 pm, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > If you mean Fiber To the premises, never. AT&T's current plan is to run > fiber to the node, and copper from there. Outside of the last mile, most > of your internet traffic is running over fiber already. >From what I've read (if it's correct), AT&T's Lightspeed was supposed to be FTTP. -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From steve at holdenweb.com Tue Nov 7 13:55:46 2006 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Tue Nov 7 14:05:41 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: [DLC] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162921007.26531.275231865@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I don't suppose there's any chance that someone might be passing Schaumberg on their way to this meeting? I'm teaching there, and a ride would avoid me having to rent a car (and hence increase the probability I'd make it). regards Steve bray@sent.com wrote: > Thursday November 9 2006. 7:00 pm. > > This may be our best meeting yet. This is our regular Thurs. meeting. In > addition stay tuned for a special meeting to welcome Ed Leafe > http://chipy.org/EdOnDabo. > > Please ping the list to tell us what you want to address in your > lightning talk. Lets try to get one talk from each brave soul for about > 5 minutes > a piece. > > Topics > ------ > > - Python Mock Library - fawad > - Web log generation and parsing > - lightning talks > > Location > -------- > > Daisychain - 2159 W 21st Pl, Chicago il 60608 http://www.dai5ychain.net/ > map - http://tinyurl.com/ybdcxb > > About ChiPy > ----------- > > ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. > Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. > Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational > efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. > > ChiPy website: > ChiPy Mailing List: > Python website: > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden From skie at dragonsvalley.com Tue Nov 7 14:10:09 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Tue Nov 7 14:07:01 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <20061107195247.2363.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061107195247.2363.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200611071410.09146.skie@dragonsvalley.com> On Tuesday 07 November 2006 1:52 pm, Michael P. O'Grady wrote: > It was originally Fiber to the Node. > > However, it appears that some of the first sites that had this (in Texas) > are in process of being switched over to FTTP. > So, why is Texas the lucky state? Both Verizon and AT&T are starting there first from what I can tell. Wouldn't AT&T have a larger potential market in Chicago? :( Yes, I'm jealous. From khill at vnetwork.com Tue Nov 7 14:25:33 2006 From: khill at vnetwork.com (Kevin Hill) Date: Tue Nov 7 14:25:35 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <200611071410.09146.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <20061107195247.2363.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> <200611071410.09146.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <4550EBBD.8000403@vnetwork.com> Branko Kotur wrote: > On Tuesday 07 November 2006 1:52 pm, Michael P. O'Grady wrote: >> It was originally Fiber to the Node. >> >> However, it appears that some of the first sites that had this (in Texas) >> are in process of being switched over to FTTP. >> > So, why is Texas the lucky state? Both Verizon and AT&T are starting there > first from what I can tell. Wouldn't AT&T have a larger potential market in > Chicago? :( Yes, I'm jealous. The problem as I understand it is that AT&T wants to offer cable television services over IP, after Comcast, et al. paid large franchise fees to local governments for exclusive rights to provide cable television service. Looks like its going to court in a lot of towns around here. -kevin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3491 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20061107/81612de8/smime.bin From RCRamsdell at gldd.com Tue Nov 7 15:03:13 2006 From: RCRamsdell at gldd.com (RCRamsdell@gldd.com) Date: Tue Nov 7 15:03:12 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Re: [DLC] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1B8095D2D98F0C4DBCC188DE18485DB523F6B3@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> I'll be coming in from Oakbrook. Where are you in Schaumburg? I'm always looking for someone to share a ride with. You can contact me off list - rcramsdell at gldd dot com. Robert > -----Original Message----- > From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On > Behalf Of Steve Holden > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:56 PM > To: luni@luni.org > Cc: python-list@python.org; depaul-lug@linux.depaul.edu > Subject: [LUNI] Re: [DLC] ChiPy Monthly Meeting, Thursday 7:00 pm. > > > I don't suppose there's any chance that someone might be passing > Schaumberg on their way to this meeting? I'm teaching there, > and a ride > would avoid me having to rent a car (and hence increase the > probability > I'd make it). > > regards > Steve > > bray@sent.com wrote: > > Thursday November 9 2006. 7:00 pm. > > > > This may be our best meeting yet. This is our regular > Thurs. meeting. > > In addition stay tuned for a special meeting to welcome Ed Leafe > > http://chipy.org/EdOnDabo. > > > > Please ping the list to tell us what you want to address in your > > lightning talk. Lets try to get one talk from each brave soul for > > about 5 minutes a piece. > > > > Topics > > ------ > > > > - Python Mock Library - fawad > > - Web log generation and parsing > > - lightning talks > > > > Location > > -------- > > > > Daisychain - 2159 W 21st Pl, Chicago il 60608 > > http://www.dai5ychain.net/ map - http://tinyurl.com/ybdcxb > > > > About ChiPy > > ----------- > > > > ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. > > Meetings are held monthly at various locations around > Chicago. Also, > > ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and > Educational efforts > > in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. > > > > ChiPy website: > > ChiPy Mailing List: > go> > > Python > website: > > > > --- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DLC mailing list > > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > > > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > > > -- > Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 > Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com > Skype: holdenweb http://holdenweb.blogspot.com > Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From ken at stox.org Tue Nov 7 15:04:58 2006 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Tue Nov 7 15:05:11 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <4550EBBD.8000403@vnetwork.com> References: <20061107195247.2363.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> <4550EBBD.8000403@vnetwork.com> Message-ID: <1162933498.16059.108.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 14:25 -0600, Kevin Hill wrote: > The problem as I understand it is that AT&T wants to offer cable > television services over IP, after Comcast, et al. paid large franchise > fees to local governments for exclusive rights to provide cable > television service. Looks like its going to court in a lot of towns > around here. There are several elements to the suits. One, as you mention, is the issue of franchise fees. Others include: 1) Municipal stations, and public access channel facilities. 2) Use of telephone right of ways for information services. 3) Aesthetic issues regarding the location, placement, appearance of remote facilities. ( One of my neighbors has an RT by their front yard. It is an ugly beige box 12'x6'x4', needless to say, they are not happy.) 4) Community coverage. AT&T does not want to commit to covering every house in a community like they do with the phone system, and like cable providers are bound to do. 5) Local franchise agreements. AT&T does not wish to negotiate on a community by community basis. They are trying to get their agenda pushed forward with State and possibly Federal agreements. AT&T has been gaming the system. They are a Telco, an Information Service provider, or Cable-TV provider, when it is convenient. Whatever label gives them the most favorable legal position at the moment. One thing has never changed at AT&T, all these years, a large and highly skilled legal department. Oh yeah, and large campaign contributions along with a throng of lobbyists doesn't hurt either. I hope all you folks voted today. From trainor at transborder.net Tue Nov 7 15:38:00 2006 From: trainor at transborder.net (Douglas J. Trainor) Date: Tue Nov 7 15:57:45 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <71E5F38CEB223D4E89B9CCA16116CCE404361F@aadexchange-ha1.aad.org> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <71E5F38CEB223D4E89B9CCA16116CCE404361F@aadexchange-ha1.aad.org> Message-ID: <9CC45B11-130A-4171-9762-D303046D3F52@transborder.net> Verizon has some HDTV thing in the works, but for now all I can order is 15 megabits down and 2 megabits up. That's about $45 plus tax. douglas On Nov 7, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Erik Horn wrote: > Granted, I don't have all the details, however > > I recently upgraded my companies data services with > AT&T, and the sales weasel let slip that Lightspeed > apparently was due out very soon, and it will be in > the Chicago market. HD tv with 5/Meg Internet over > the link. He didnt know pricing. > > I also saw however Cisco recently obtained a patent on > the essence of Lightspeed, so there is some concern > it may stall the project. > > Erik > > > ________________________________ > > From: luni-bounces@luni.org on behalf of Branko Kotur > Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 11:14 AM > To: luni@luni.org > Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet > > > > Currently, Verizon offers Fiber to the Home through their FIOS > service in > select states. AT&T/SBC areas like Chicago won't ever see > Verizon's FIOS. > I've seen mention of AT&T's Lightspeed project, but nothing about > Chicago. > The only thing their website mentions is offering TV service > through "U-Verse". Nothing about Fiber based internet. I even > tried calling > them, but their sales didn't know anything. > > So, does anyone have any idea of when Chicago and the suburbs will > start > seeing Fiber based internet? > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From jlm at uic.edu Tue Nov 7 16:26:36 2006 From: jlm at uic.edu (John Mason) Date: Tue Nov 7 16:26:38 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <200611071410.09146.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <20061107195247.2363.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> <200611071410.09146.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <20061107222636.GB3985@uic.edu> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:10:09PM -0600, Branko Kotur wrote: > So, why is Texas the lucky state? Both Verizon and AT&T are starting there > first from what I can tell. Wouldn't AT&T have a larger potential market in > Chicago? :( Yes, I'm jealous. "The New AT&T"/SBC (aka Southwest Bell) has headquarters in San Antonio. Verizon (aka Bell Atlantic - the company that ate NYNEX) is headquartered in NY, but have a special "Texas Internet Solutions" division. -- %40 <- Ceci n'est pas une @. John Mason - jlm@uic.edu University of Illinois at Chicago - Academic Computing and Communcations Center Usenet Administrator, Listserv Administrator, Sun Software Contact et al. From lists at redboy.cx Tue Nov 7 16:31:05 2006 From: lists at redboy.cx (sten) Date: Tue Nov 7 16:31:10 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - extended ascii In-Reply-To: <20061107222636.GB3985@uic.edu> References: <20061107222636.GB3985@uic.edu> Message-ID: <2f26aff7a286b73a044673e05461a167@localhost> > %40 <- Ceci n'est pas une @. That's absolutely the funniest thing I've read all day. I'm not sure what that says about today.... Sten From SqrFolkDnc at comcast.net Wed Nov 8 16:01:31 2006 From: SqrFolkDnc at comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug) Date: Wed Nov 8 16:05:39 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <455253BB.80408@comcast.net> They are getting ready for it, I heard by the first of the year it would start rolling out, presumably one area at at time. Branko Kotur wrote: > Currently, Verizon offers Fiber to the Home through their FIOS service in > select states. AT&T/SBC areas like Chicago won't ever see Verizon's FIOS. > I've seen mention of AT&T's Lightspeed project, but nothing about Chicago. > The only thing their website mentions is offering TV service > through "U-Verse". Nothing about Fiber based internet. I even tried calling > them, but their sales didn't know anything. > > So, does anyone have any idea of when Chicago and the suburbs will start > seeing Fiber based internet? > From craig at codestorm.org Wed Nov 8 16:27:04 2006 From: craig at codestorm.org (Craig Van Tassle) Date: Wed Nov 8 16:27:28 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <455253BB.80408@comcast.net> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <455253BB.80408@comcast.net> Message-ID: <455259B8.4090908@codestorm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 They have been saying that for the past couple of years. I have to agree, we will see it about the time Satan Order's a space heater, and A fur coat! Carey Tyler Schug wrote: > They are getting ready for it, I heard by the first of the year it would > start rolling out, presumably one area at at time. > > Branko Kotur wrote: >> Currently, Verizon offers Fiber to the Home through their FIOS service >> in select states. AT&T/SBC areas like Chicago won't ever see >> Verizon's FIOS. I've seen mention of AT&T's Lightspeed project, but >> nothing about Chicago. The only thing their website mentions is >> offering TV service through "U-Verse". Nothing about Fiber based >> internet. I even tried calling them, but their sales didn't know >> anything. >> >> So, does anyone have any idea of when Chicago and the suburbs will >> start seeing Fiber based internet? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFUlm4AOTIJ89W4sIRAo1iAKDizsuTn7Ij3CIZeol8i5jx8smB9gCfXlsu g+6XZyCAZk8W+1sLaia7928= =rRQ0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ken at stox.org Wed Nov 8 16:55:37 2006 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Wed Nov 8 16:55:58 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <455259B8.4090908@codestorm.org> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <455253BB.80408@comcast.net> <455259B8.4090908@codestorm.org> Message-ID: <1163026537.16059.138.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:27 -0600, Craig Van Tassle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > They have been saying that for the past couple of years. I have to agree, we > will see it about the time Satan Order's a space heater, and A fur coat! That, or the Cubs could win the pennant. ;-> From craig at codestorm.org Wed Nov 8 17:04:41 2006 From: craig at codestorm.org (Craig Van Tassle) Date: Wed Nov 8 17:05:01 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <1163026537.16059.138.camel@stox.dyndns.org> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <455253BB.80408@comcast.net> <455259B8.4090908@codestorm.org> <1163026537.16059.138.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45526289.4030809@codestorm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No, No, No. The cubs are capable of winning the pennant! Now if the ox ever stop SUCKING, then yea! ;-> Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:27 -0600, Craig Van Tassle wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> They have been saying that for the past couple of years. I have to agree, we >> will see it about the time Satan Order's a space heater, and A fur coat! > > That, or the Cubs could win the pennant. ;-> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFUmKJAOTIJ89W4sIRAuyRAJ9UrRP/KQSOWPUtQSszEFCPmLGvoQCgqA8z Jj5SZcHqEWyzV4yvTFjUEHQ= =Gpof -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mark at msbrepairs.com Wed Nov 8 17:21:56 2006 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Wed Nov 8 17:23:09 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <45526289.4030809@codestorm.org> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <455253BB.80408@comcast.net> <455259B8.4090908@codestorm.org> <1163026537.16059.138.camel@stox.dyndns.org> <45526289.4030809@codestorm.org> Message-ID: <45526694.6000405@msbrepairs.com> Would you guys get gaim please Craig Van Tassle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > No, No, No. The cubs are capable of winning the pennant! Now if the ox ever > stop SUCKING, then yea! ;-> > > Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > >> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:27 -0600, Craig Van Tassle wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> They have been saying that for the past couple of years. I have to agree, we >>> will see it about the time Satan Order's a space heater, and A fur coat! >>> >> That, or the Cubs could win the pennant. ;-> >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFUmKJAOTIJ89W4sIRAuyRAJ9UrRP/KQSOWPUtQSszEFCPmLGvoQCgqA8z > Jj5SZcHqEWyzV4yvTFjUEHQ= > =Gpof > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From brian at planetshwoop.com Wed Nov 8 19:26:48 2006 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Wed Nov 8 19:44:07 2006 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: UFO Meeting This Thursday! Message-ID: <20061109012648.GA31477@planetshwoop.com> This Thursday UFO-Chicago, a group of Linux, open-source, and coffee enthusiasts will congregate at the Golden Nugget House Of Pancakes at 4229 W. Irving Park in Chicago for our traditional meeting. We get started at 8pm. If you want more info, go to http://ufo.chicago.il.us/ brian -- Brian Sobolak brian @ planetshwoop.com http://www.planetshwoop.com/ "Bad taste is real taste, of course, and good taste is the residue of someone else's privilege..." -- David Hickey -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From Penguin at waxmoustache.com Thu Nov 9 11:31:27 2006 From: Penguin at waxmoustache.com (James Velguth) Date: Thu Nov 9 11:25:38 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT - Fiber internet In-Reply-To: <1163026537.16059.138.camel@stox.dyndns.org> References: <200611071114.52048.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <455253BB.80408@comcast.net> <455259B8.4090908@codestorm.org> <1163026537.16059.138.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <455365EF.3090502@WaxMoustache.com> Wait until next year! Kenneth P. Stox wrote: >On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:27 -0600, Craig Van Tassle wrote: > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>They have been saying that for the past couple of years. I have to agree, we >>will see it about the time Satan Order's a space heater, and A fur coat! >> >> > >That, or the Cubs could win the pennant. ;-> > > > From netfortius at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 08:22:39 2006 From: netfortius at gmail.com (Stefmit) Date: Fri Nov 10 08:22:19 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Open source and a hacker monk Message-ID: <200611100822.39242.stefmit@gmail.com> I hope you'll enjoy this, especially on a Friday: http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=279642 NOTE: I am going to try and translate for you the most important parts. Accept my apologies if this is far from perfect: First - Serafim (that's his name) is a sort of a monk with deacon responsibilities (ierodiacon in Christian Orthodox terminology), living in a monastery --- He spends his life between altar and disassembling software. --- He is the Network Administrator for a specific typography (religious material, of course) --- Serafim thinks there is no such thing as perfectly secure information, as security is just a theoretical concept. He adds to this his own perspective, as a deacon, of course, along the lines of: "God knows everything, anyway, so the world should not be based on so many secrets and closed doors" ... and he may have a point there, regardless of faith ... --- Aside from many other pertinent comments, related to his 24 yrs of experience in this area (started with computers when he was 8 yrs old, and he is now 32), here is the most important thing about him: he is passionate about Linux and Open Source, and describes the work with open source as: ... you are [to be] thankful for someone else's work, [try to] improve it, and give it back [or] to others. It is humane and good/common sense. If God gave us free will and does not intervene on our behalf, for such, then it should be the same with open source" --- He has decided to boycott Microsoft's Hotmail systems, after having learned about the limitations enforced via their licensing - mainly because in some obscure part of the EULA there is (was?!?) a provision according to which Microsoft owns all documents and emails traversing their system. --- He does not think that confession should take place over Instant Messenger (! ;)) --- Serafim believes that there are only few people [intelligent enough to be] capable of comprehending informatics - and those are the ones responsible for making it affordable to everyone. He thinks that people could be divided in two main categories: those who do not know, and those who do not want to know. "Evolution is possible only by exploiting the knowledge of those who want to know" - he says. --- One last thing I enjoyed from that article: "Humans have the right to [stay] stupid, if that's what they truly want! But this does not mean that we should limit the access to knowledge to those who want to learn" How true! -- Stefan From skie at dragonsvalley.com Sat Nov 11 20:21:10 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Sat Nov 11 20:17:20 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT: 1U servers and RAM Message-ID: <200611112021.10839.skie@dragonsvalley.com> I'm getting ready to put together a 1U server and just needed to know if regular 184 ping DDR RAM modules will fit in a 1U case. Or do I need to get some type of low profile RAM? I've only touched one 1U server before, but I never paid attention to the RAM at that time. From randlcne at yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 19:05:50 2006 From: randlcne at yahoo.com (Randl Abraham) Date: Sat Nov 11 21:12:39 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT: 1U servers and RAM In-Reply-To: <200611112021.10839.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <20061112030550.96981.qmail@web34903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know of low profile RAM chips. However, the HP 1U boxes that I use just uses the standard RAM chips. On these servers the RAM modules are inserted diagonally. Branko Kotur wrote: I'm getting ready to put together a 1U server and just needed to know if regular 184 ping DDR RAM modules will fit in a 1U case. Or do I need to get some type of low profile RAM? I've only touched one 1U server before, but I never paid attention to the RAM at that time. -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From skie at dragonsvalley.com Sat Nov 11 21:48:24 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Sat Nov 11 21:44:26 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT: 1U servers and RAM In-Reply-To: <20061112030550.96981.qmail@web34903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061112030550.96981.qmail@web34903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200611112148.24132.skie@dragonsvalley.com> On Saturday 11 November 2006 9:05 pm, Randl Abraham wrote: > I don't know of low profile RAM chips. However, the HP 1U boxes that I use > just uses the standard RAM chips. On these servers the RAM modules are > inserted diagonally. I was specifically looking at the SuperMicro barebones 1U cases (includes everything but the RAM, HDD and CPU). When looking at the pics on NewEgg, they show that the RAM is inserted straight up and down. There's also a Kingston and OCZ that are listed as "Low Profile" and when looking at the pics, they're noticeably shorter then normal. From larry at garfieldtech.com Sat Nov 11 23:24:41 2006 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) Date: Sat Nov 11 23:25:08 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server Message-ID: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> My home server is dying. Specifically, the hard drive is developing bad sectors, always in my mail archive (where else?), and I'm fairly sure the rest of the system is too old to even cope with a new, large hard drive. So I am now in the market on short notice for a new home server. "Home server" in this case means something that handles email, Jabber, DNS, minor web stuff, etc. for a user base of generally no more than, uh, 2. :-) The only really strenuous thing it ever does handle a 2 GB mail archive over IMAP. Other than that, it's really just a glorified file server. Does anyone have a favorite source for such a contraption for a low price? I'm open to building my own (I do that all the time), or buying pre-made, or a decent gently-used box. I don't know if I want to bother with RAID or not, as I'd be interested more in reliability than in performance increases. Brands aren't really important, although reliability and expandability of the case is. Quiet is, since it will be sitting in my living room. I'm thinking 1 GHz+, 512 MB RAM, and 200+ GB storage, and trying to keep the cost in the $300-$400 range if I can. No Windows Tax if I can avoid it. Any recommendations for where to find such a system, or parts for it, or someone with such a system they want to offload to a good home? :-) Is the price range I'm looking for too low for this task? TIA and such. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson From dmourati at cm.math.uiuc.edu Sun Nov 12 00:33:37 2006 From: dmourati at cm.math.uiuc.edu (Demetri Mouratis) Date: Sun Nov 12 00:33:45 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT: 1U servers and RAM In-Reply-To: <200611112148.24132.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <20061112030550.96981.qmail@web34903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611112148.24132.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006, Branko Kotur wrote: > On Saturday 11 November 2006 9:05 pm, Randl Abraham wrote: >> I don't know of low profile RAM chips. However, the HP 1U boxes that I use >> just uses the standard RAM chips. On these servers the RAM modules are >> inserted diagonally. > > I was specifically looking at the SuperMicro barebones 1U cases (includes > everything but the RAM, HDD and CPU). When looking at the pics on NewEgg, > they show that the RAM is inserted straight up and down. > > There's also a Kingston and OCZ that are listed as "Low Profile" and when > looking at the pics, they're noticeably shorter then normal. > My first reaction was it shouldn't matter. Reading your post about the mobo, maybe it does, but I'm not convinved. Either way, the best way to answer any RAM questions is with crucial.com. In your case, go here: http://www.crucial.com/store/ListModel.Asp?MFR=Supermicro and plug in your Supermicro model. Easy. Please let us know if you wind up having to go out of your way to find low pro chips. My guess is that distinction no longer matters as memory chips are longer made tall enough to make any difference. -D From knura at yahoo.com Sun Nov 12 13:09:48 2006 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun K. Khan) Date: Sun Nov 12 01:39:58 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT: 1U servers and RAM In-Reply-To: <200611112148.24132.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <20061112030550.96981.qmail@web34903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611112148.24132.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <1163317188.6141.8.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 21:48 -0600, Branko Kotur wrote: > I was specifically looking at the SuperMicro barebones 1U cases (includes > everything but the RAM, HDD and CPU). When looking at the pics on NewEgg, > they show that the RAM is inserted straight up and down. Suggest you call/email SuperMicro sales/tech support, tell them what model you are buying and get the answer directly from them. -- arun khan From skie at dragonsvalley.com Sun Nov 12 03:45:18 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Sun Nov 12 03:41:21 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> References: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <200611120345.18273.skie@dragonsvalley.com> If you want to try to build your own, you can take a look at either newegg.com or mwave.com. I've been favoring newegg lately as they have a large selection and I haven't had any problems with them before. I'm pretty sure you can put a simple/cheap computer together for the price range you're looking at, but I haven't paid attention to their cheaper hardware recently, so I don't know for sure what your final price would come out to be. As far as RAID, I always understood it to offer reliability at the cost of slightly reduced performance. Unless you're looking at RAID 0, which really isn't RAID. If you want true hardware RAID, then an addon card will cost you $100 - $300 (or more) extra just for the addon card, depending on how many hard drives you're looking to use. Otherwise, if you can live with software/fake RAID, most motherboards seem to have it these days. On Saturday 11 November 2006 11:24 pm, Larry Garfield wrote: > My home server is dying. Specifically, the hard drive is developing bad > sectors, always in my mail archive (where else?), and I'm fairly sure the > rest of the system is too old to even cope with a new, large hard drive. > So I am now in the market on short notice for a new home server. > > "Home server" in this case means something that handles email, Jabber, DNS, > minor web stuff, etc. for a user base of generally no more than, uh, 2. :-) > The only really strenuous thing it ever does handle a 2 GB mail archive > over IMAP. Other than that, it's really just a glorified file server. > > Does anyone have a favorite source for such a contraption for a low price? > I'm open to building my own (I do that all the time), or buying pre-made, > or a decent gently-used box. I don't know if I want to bother with RAID or > not, as I'd be interested more in reliability than in performance > increases. Brands aren't really important, although reliability and > expandability of the case is. Quiet is, since it will be sitting in my > living room. I'm thinking 1 GHz+, 512 MB RAM, and 200+ GB storage, and > trying to keep the cost in the $300-$400 range if I can. No Windows Tax if > I can avoid it. > > Any recommendations for where to find such a system, or parts for it, or > someone with such a system they want to offload to a good home? :-) Is the > price range I'm looking for too low for this task? > > TIA and such. > > -- > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the > possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." > -- Thomas Jefferson From dabenesch at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 12 04:21:11 2006 From: dabenesch at sbcglobal.net (Donald Benesch) Date: Sun Nov 12 06:21:31 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <20061112122111.58947.qmail@web81115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Larry, Check with TigerDirect, I see that they have bare bones systems and parts on the cheap side. They are in Naperville however, and do collect tax. Don Larry Garfield wrote: My home server is dying. Specifically, the hard drive is developing bad sectors, always in my mail archive (where else?), and I'm fairly sure the rest of the system is too old to even cope with a new, large hard drive. So I am now in the market on short notice for a new home server. "Home server" in this case means something that handles email, Jabber, DNS, minor web stuff, etc. for a user base of generally no more than, uh, 2. :-) The only really strenuous thing it ever does handle a 2 GB mail archive over IMAP. Other than that, it's really just a glorified file server. Does anyone have a favorite source for such a contraption for a low price? I'm open to building my own (I do that all the time), or buying pre-made, or a decent gently-used box. I don't know if I want to bother with RAID or not, as I'd be interested more in reliability than in performance increases. Brands aren't really important, although reliability and expandability of the case is. Quiet is, since it will be sitting in my living room. I'm thinking 1 GHz+, 512 MB RAM, and 200+ GB storage, and trying to keep the cost in the $300-$400 range if I can. No Windows Tax if I can avoid it. Any recommendations for where to find such a system, or parts for it, or someone with such a system they want to offload to a good home? :-) Is the price range I'm looking for too low for this task? TIA and such. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Sun Nov 12 10:55:32 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Sun Nov 12 10:55:39 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: <20061112122111.58947.qmail@web81115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> <20061112122111.58947.qmail@web81115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I second TigerDirect. I've used 'em in the past and never had any problems with them (yet). As far as the tax, I presume you were refering to the windows lisc fee, not the sales tax. Plus, it's nice that I can take a drive to their warehouse and pick up what I want and see what I'm buying first hand. I was gonna sugest the cod show, but it seems they're not doin too well (http://gmcs.ciadvt.com/ ) unless I hit the wrong website. Also, fatwallet.com, a friend of mine uses it religiously to find bargains and deals. -- Samir On 11/12/06, Donald Benesch wrote: > Larry, > Check with TigerDirect, I see that they have bare bones systems and parts on the cheap side. They are in Naperville however, and do collect tax. > Don > > Larry Garfield wrote: My home server is dying. Specifically, the hard drive is developing bad > sectors, always in my mail archive (where else?), and I'm fairly sure the > rest of the system is too old to even cope with a new, large hard drive. So > I am now in the market on short notice for a new home server. > > "Home server" in this case means something that handles email, Jabber, DNS, > minor web stuff, etc. for a user base of generally no more than, uh, 2. :-) > The only really strenuous thing it ever does handle a 2 GB mail archive over > IMAP. Other than that, it's really just a glorified file server. > > Does anyone have a favorite source for such a contraption for a low price? > I'm open to building my own (I do that all the time), or buying pre-made, or > a decent gently-used box. I don't know if I want to bother with RAID or not, > as I'd be interested more in reliability than in performance increases. > Brands aren't really important, although reliability and expandability of the > case is. Quiet is, since it will be sitting in my living room. I'm thinking > 1 GHz+, 512 MB RAM, and 200+ GB storage, and trying to keep the cost in the > $300-$400 range if I can. No Windows Tax if I can avoid it. > > Any recommendations for where to find such a system, or parts for it, or > someone with such a system they want to offload to a good home? :-) Is the > price range I'm looking for too low for this task? > > TIA and such. > > -- > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas > Jefferson > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Berry From iguy at ionsphere.org Sun Nov 12 11:35:34 2006 From: iguy at ionsphere.org (Ian Koenig) Date: Sun Nov 12 12:18:04 2006 Subject: [LUNI] OT: 1U servers and RAM In-Reply-To: <1163317188.6141.8.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> References: <20061112030550.96981.qmail@web34903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611112148.24132.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1163317188.6141.8.camel@genesis.intra.silverarc.biz> Message-ID: <45575B66.5000404@ionsphere.org> Most if not all 1U servers are tall enough to handle standard RAM straight up and down. 1U is quite a bit of space when it comes to these systems normally. Arun K. Khan wrote: > On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 21:48 -0600, Branko Kotur wrote: > > >> I was specifically looking at the SuperMicro barebones 1U cases (includes >> everything but the RAM, HDD and CPU). When looking at the pics on NewEgg, >> they show that the RAM is inserted straight up and down. >> > > Suggest you call/email SuperMicro sales/tech support, tell them what > model you are buying and get the answer directly from them. > > -- arun khan > > From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Sun Nov 12 12:57:20 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Sun Nov 12 12:57:25 2006 Subject: [LUNI] UIC Install Fest Message-ID: The University of Illinois at Chicago Linux Users Group will be having a Linux Install Party on Date: November 18th, 2006 Time: 10 am to 5 pm Location: Science and Engineering Laboratories, Room 2262 (ie. SEL2262) directions: http://tinyurl.com/y45wd9 Food: Yes, we have some. Still working on some details, but probably a mix of greasy food and some healthy treats to accommodate our non-carnivore compatriots. Sponsors: Novell, possibly NVidia as well, though I haven't heard a reply back yet. 10 am to 5 pm we'll have speakers, presentations, lab setups (hands on tutorials, limited seating but we'll walk you through the entire process of installing Linux from start to finish, setup 3d Acceleration, install a game, and maybe get beryl or xgl working on the machine. You may use your own machine if you'd like but we do have 10-20 machines available to play with.) Post 5 pm, we'll be having a purely Linux Gaming Night. We'll be playing tremulous and Openttd, and possibly some non-open source games like UT and Quake pending availability. Non-Linux Users are welcome to attend, but we'll be limiting it to games that can natively run on Linux. for more information please visit http://lug.cs.uic.edu/install/ -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com From lists at redboy.cx Sun Nov 12 16:16:08 2006 From: lists at redboy.cx (sten) Date: Sun Nov 12 16:16:11 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> References: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:24:41 -0600, Larry Garfield wrote: > Does anyone have a favorite source for such a contraption for a low price? > I'm open to building my own (I do that all the time), or buying pre-made, > or a decent gently-used box. It's pretty easy to do quiet these days- I'm running a home-built with a nice HTPC case and big, quiet fans on an AMD XP2200+; I barely notice it humming now that its closed-windows season. During the summer, I never hear it. Look for parts without fans on them; I've seen tiny little fans on motherboard or video card chipsets that were noisier than any other part in the computer. I also stick with Seagate Barracuda hard drives; they whine a lot less than any other disks I've had. I'm eagerly awaiting availability of AMD's new Small Form Factor/Energy Efficient chips; they have an "ADD" in the model number, draw 25W max, and can allegedly be passively cooled. Unfortunately, from what I'm reading, some big player bought out the entire US supply of the chips, and the only ones I can find now are $400+ and only in Germany. For parts in general, I'm a newegg fanboi. Quick shipping, good prices and selection, never had issues with them. If you want to go prefab, I saw a site selling Dell small-form-factor desktops with something in the range of a Celeron 700 for $50 a while back. I think it made the front page of digg.com. I think they were sold out or the sale had expired, but you can usually find that kind of deal on a refurb PC with a little (fr/g)oogling, and Dells' desktops are generally very quiet. Sten From dabenesch at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 13 13:41:17 2006 From: dabenesch at sbcglobal.net (Donald Benesch) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:41:32 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061113214117.64382.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "As far as the tax, I presume you were refering to the windows lisc fee, not the sales tax." Larry, what tax were you be referring too. Don --- Samir Faci wrote: > I second TigerDirect. I've used 'em in the past and > never had any > problems with them (yet). As far as the tax, I > presume you were > refering to the windows lisc fee, not the sales tax. > > Plus, it's nice that I can take a drive to their > warehouse and pick up > what I want and see what I'm buying first hand. > > I was gonna sugest the cod show, but it seems > they're not doin too > well (http://gmcs.ciadvt.com/ ) unless I hit the > wrong website. > > Also, fatwallet.com, a friend of mine uses it > religiously to find > bargains and deals. > > -- > Samir > > On 11/12/06, Donald Benesch > wrote: > > Larry, > > Check with TigerDirect, I see that they have bare > bones systems and parts on the cheap side. They are > in Naperville however, and do collect tax. > > Don > > > > Larry Garfield wrote: My > home server is dying. Specifically, the hard drive > is developing bad > > sectors, always in my mail archive (where else?), > and I'm fairly sure the > > rest of the system is too old to even cope with a > new, large hard drive. So > > I am now in the market on short notice for a new > home server. > > > > "Home server" in this case means something that > handles email, Jabber, DNS, > > minor web stuff, etc. for a user base of generally > no more than, uh, 2. :-) > > The only really strenuous thing it ever does > handle a 2 GB mail archive over > > IMAP. Other than that, it's really just a > glorified file server. > > > > Does anyone have a favorite source for such a > contraption for a low price? > > I'm open to building my own (I do that all the > time), or buying pre-made, or > > a decent gently-used box. I don't know if I want > to bother with RAID or not, > > as I'd be interested more in reliability than in > performance increases. > > Brands aren't really important, although > reliability and expandability of the > > case is. Quiet is, since it will be sitting in my > living room. I'm thinking > > 1 GHz+, 512 MB RAM, and 200+ GB storage, and > trying to keep the cost in the > > $300-$400 range if I can. No Windows Tax if I can > avoid it. > > > > Any recommendations for where to find such a > system, or parts for it, or > > someone with such a system they want to offload to > a good home? :-) Is the > > price range I'm looking for too low for this task? > > > > TIA and such. > > > > -- > > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > > larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 > > > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible > than all others of > > exclusive property, it is the action of the > thinking power called an idea, > > which an individual may exclusively possess as > long as he keeps it to > > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces > itself into the possession > > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess > himself of it." -- Thomas > > Jefferson > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical > Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical > Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > > -- > Regards > Samir Faci > safaci2000@gmail.com > Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to > wealthy, > overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody > who owns hideous > clothing. > -- Dave Berry > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical > Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From skie at dragonsvalley.com Mon Nov 13 15:48:41 2006 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:53:10 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: <20061113214117.64382.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061113214117.64382.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200611131548.41549.skie@dragonsvalley.com> On Monday 13 November 2006 3:41 pm, Donald Benesch wrote: > "As far as the tax, I presume you were > refering to the windows lisc fee, not the sales tax." > > Larry, what tax were you be referring too. > > Don > He said "No Windows Tax if I can avoid it" which leads me to believe he's talking about the Windows lisc fee like you mentioned. I've heard the term "Windows Tax" before and it's always from someone complaining about the added cost of a computer because of Windows, even if you request no OS. From lists at redboy.cx Mon Nov 13 16:17:09 2006 From: lists at redboy.cx (sten) Date: Mon Nov 13 16:17:13 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> References: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:24:41 -0600, Larry Garfield wrote: > So > I am now in the market on short notice for a new home server. A friend of mine was talking about the same thing this morning- his plan is to pick up a used 1-st gen XBox. You can get them for around $50-75 these days, slap in a new hard drive and run Linux. How does that fit with your objection to the Windows Tax? ;-) http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page Sten From larry at garfieldtech.com Mon Nov 13 19:18:07 2006 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) Date: Mon Nov 13 19:18:38 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: <20061113214117.64382.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061113214117.64382.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200611131918.07947.larry@garfieldtech.com> I was referring to the cost of a Windows license that I have absolutely no intention of using. :-) I ended up getting fresh guts from newegg, and will be piecing together the case and PS from my collection of random parts here at home. Thanks to Trev for helping nail down a really good looking deal. Hopefully it will last as long as the system it's replacing did, which is quite some time. :-) On Monday 13 November 2006 15:41, Donald Benesch wrote: > "As far as the tax, I presume you were > refering to the windows lisc fee, not the sales tax." > > Larry, what tax were you be referring too. > > Don > > --- Samir Faci wrote: > > I second TigerDirect. I've used 'em in the past and > > never had any > > problems with them (yet). As far as the tax, I > > presume you were > > refering to the windows lisc fee, not the sales tax. > > > > Plus, it's nice that I can take a drive to their > > warehouse and pick up > > what I want and see what I'm buying first hand. > > > > I was gonna sugest the cod show, but it seems > > they're not doin too > > well (http://gmcs.ciadvt.com/ ) unless I hit the > > wrong website. > > > > Also, fatwallet.com, a friend of mine uses it > > religiously to find > > bargains and deals. > > > > -- > > Samir > > > > On 11/12/06, Donald Benesch > > > > wrote: > > > Larry, > > > Check with TigerDirect, I see that they have bare > > > > bones systems and parts on the cheap side. They are > > in Naperville however, and do collect tax. > > > > > Don > > > > > > Larry Garfield wrote: My > > > > home server is dying. Specifically, the hard drive > > is developing bad > > > > > sectors, always in my mail archive (where else?), > > > > and I'm fairly sure the > > > > > rest of the system is too old to even cope with a > > > > new, large hard drive. So > > > > > I am now in the market on short notice for a new > > > > home server. > > > > > "Home server" in this case means something that > > > > handles email, Jabber, DNS, > > > > > minor web stuff, etc. for a user base of generally > > > > no more than, uh, 2. :-) > > > > > The only really strenuous thing it ever does > > > > handle a 2 GB mail archive over > > > > > IMAP. Other than that, it's really just a > > > > glorified file server. > > > > > Does anyone have a favorite source for such a > > > > contraption for a low price? > > > > > I'm open to building my own (I do that all the > > > > time), or buying pre-made, or > > > > > a decent gently-used box. I don't know if I want > > > > to bother with RAID or not, > > > > > as I'd be interested more in reliability than in > > > > performance increases. > > > > > Brands aren't really important, although > > > > reliability and expandability of the > > > > > case is. Quiet is, since it will be sitting in my > > > > living room. I'm thinking > > > > > 1 GHz+, 512 MB RAM, and 200+ GB storage, and > > > > trying to keep the cost in the > > > > > $300-$400 range if I can. No Windows Tax if I can > > > > avoid it. > > > > > Any recommendations for where to find such a > > > > system, or parts for it, or > > > > > someone with such a system they want to offload to > > > > a good home? :-) Is the > > > > > price range I'm looking for too low for this task? > > > > > > TIA and such. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson From mlabowicz at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 09:12:21 2006 From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz) Date: Tue Nov 14 09:12:30 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: References: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: Can you plug in a keyboard? On 11/13/06, sten wrote: A friend of mine was talking about the same thing this morning- his plan is > to pick up a used 1-st gen XBox. You can get them for around $50-75 these > days, slap in a new hard drive and run Linux. How does that fit with your > objection to the Windows Tax? ;-) > > http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page > > Sten > > -- Michael Labowicz http://www.labowicz.com/blog/ From jpine at glenview34.org Tue Nov 14 09:42:07 2006 From: jpine at glenview34.org (Joe Pine) Date: Tue Nov 14 10:11:51 2006 Subject: [LUNI] In search of a server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You just need to buy/make an xbox controller port to usb adapter. (the game controller ports are actually USB). I just hacked up a controller extension cable and soldered it to the female half of a usb extension. BTW, I run Xbox Media Center on mine (not linux) for all my video / music / ftp on my home theater. I also still find time for a game or two. The (modded) xbox is a great small form "pc" for media center / home server type activities. - Joe | PowerSchool Administrator | Network Engineer On 11/14/06 9:12 AM, "Michael Labowicz" wrote: > Can you plug in a keyboard? > > On 11/13/06, sten wrote: > > A friend of mine was talking about the same thing this morning- his plan is >> to pick up a used 1-st gen XBox. You can get them for around $50-75 these >> days, slap in a new hard drive and run Linux. How does that fit with your >> objection to the Windows Tax? ;-) >> >> http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page >> >> Sten >> >> - Joe Pine | PowerSchool Administrator | Network Engineer From ken at stox.org Thu Nov 16 00:04:22 2006 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Thu Nov 16 00:04:37 2006 Subject: [LUNI] So, you're bored one night...... Message-ID: <1163657062.16227.15.camel@stox.dyndns.org> and you ask yourself, "Do I really need anything other than emacs?" http://www.informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html The answer would be, nah! ;-> From sobolak at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 20:30:27 2006 From: sobolak at gmail.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Thu Nov 16 20:37:26 2006 Subject: Linux laptops and systems (was Re: [LUNI] In search of a server) In-Reply-To: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> References: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <455D1EC3.9000801@gmail.com> Larry Garfield wrote: > Does anyone have a favorite source for such a contraption for a low price? > I'm open to building my own (I do that all the time), or buying pre-made, or > a decent gently-used box. I don't know if I want to bother with RAID or not, > as I'd be interested more in reliability than in performance increases. > Brands aren't really important, although reliability and expandability of the > case is. Quiet is, since it will be sitting in my living room. I'm thinking > 1 GHz+, 512 MB RAM, and 200+ GB storage, and trying to keep the cost in the > $300-$400 range if I can. No Windows Tax if I can avoid it. > > Any recommendations for where to find such a system, or parts for it, or > someone with such a system they want to offload to a good home? :-) Is the > price range I'm looking for too low for this task? > For those of us who don't want to roll our own, I might give this a try: http://www.system76.com/ I saw this outfit on the O'Reilly Radar blog today and was fairly impressed. The prospect of a fully configured Linux laptop by a (apparently) decent vendor is an appealing one. Not to mention that any changes they make to improve they contribute back to Debian. brian From linux at unliketea.com Thu Nov 16 21:58:28 2006 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Thu Nov 16 22:04:44 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Sharing Wifi Message-ID: <455D3364.7020607@unliketea.com> Does anyone share/resell wifi with their neighborhood? I am looking for some howto info. Thanks From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Thu Nov 16 22:27:40 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Thu Nov 16 22:28:00 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Sharing Wifi In-Reply-To: <455D3364.7020607@unliketea.com> References: <455D3364.7020607@unliketea.com> Message-ID: I presume you want something beyond buy a wifi ap from best buy, plugin and don't configure. ------ use a linux box and dump 3 nicks on it. Wan, Lan, and dmz. then just write an iptables script to block any incoming connection from dmz net to lan. We could probably help you better given more details. -- Samir On 11/16/06, Steve Pribyl wrote: > Does anyone share/resell wifi with their neighborhood? > I am looking for some howto info. > > Thanks > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Regards Samir Faci safaci2000@gmail.com Quote: Although, golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Berry From tprinty at mail.edisonave.net Fri Nov 17 07:59:43 2006 From: tprinty at mail.edisonave.net (Tom Printy) Date: Fri Nov 17 07:59:59 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Sharing Wifi In-Reply-To: <455D3364.7020607@unliketea.com> References: <455D3364.7020607@unliketea.com> Message-ID: <1163771983.27531.1.camel@localhost> You could setup a FON node and put it in billg mode. You would collect money off the people that connect to your node. See: http://en.fon.com/ -Tom On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 21:58 -0600, Steve Pribyl wrote: > Does anyone share/resell wifi with their neighborhood? > I am looking for some howto info. > > Thanks From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Fri Nov 17 07:41:24 2006 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean-lynch@sean-lynch.com) Date: Fri Nov 17 08:41:27 2006 Subject: Linux laptops and systems (was Re: [LUNI] In search of a server) In-Reply-To: <455D1EC3.9000801@gmail.com> References: <200611112324.41442.larry@garfieldtech.com> <455D1EC3.9000801@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:30:27 -0600 Brian Sobolak wrote: >For those of us who don't want to roll our own, I might >give this a try: > > http://www.system76.com/ > > I saw this outfit on the O'Reilly Radar blog today and >was fairly impressed. The prospect of a fully configured >Linux laptop by a (apparently) decent vendor is an >appealing one. Not to mention that any changes they make >to improve they contribute back to Debian. > > brian > > -- LXER has been keeping a nice list of builders that ship Linux pre-installed, or No OS machines: http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/23168/ They are starting a database of these builders for easier searching. http://lxer.com/module/db/index.php?dbn=14 System76 is on the list. From mlabowicz at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 11:01:39 2006 From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz) Date: Fri Nov 17 11:01:44 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Sharing Wifi In-Reply-To: References: <455D3364.7020607@unliketea.com> Message-ID: On 11/16/06, Samir Faci wrote: > use a linux box and dump 3 nicks on it. Wan, Lan, and dmz. then > just write an iptables script to block any incoming connection from > dmz net to lan. > > We could probably help you better given more details. > > I understand the WAN and the LAN, what does the DMZ do? -- Michael Labowicz http://www.labowicz.com/blog/ From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Fri Nov 17 11:34:32 2006 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Fri Nov 17 11:34:38 2006 Subject: [LUNI] Sharing Wifi In-Reply-To: References: <455D3364.7020607@unliketea.com> Message-ID: Demilitarized zone. ie. a zone that has access to the internet but is isolated from your internal network. Can't access your local computer, shares, printers...etc -- Samir On 11/17/06, Michael Labowicz wrote: > On 11/16/06, Samir Faci wrote: > > > use a linux box and dump 3 nicks on it