From me at heyjay.com  Fri Jun  1 16:23:44 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Fri Jun  1 15:23:55 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Fine tuning my samba setup
Message-ID: <aabc51b60706011323oe486b31o8394e543e0e9e24f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having a hard time fine tuning my samba setup (regarding ownership
and permissions).  My salient bits of my smb.conf are:

[jblum#]
        path = /opt/FCM
        valid users = jblum, jstrauss
        force user = jblum
        force group = manager
        read only = No
        create mask = 0660
        directory mask = 0770
        hide unreadable = Yes

[phillips#]
        path = /opt/FCM
        valid users = phillips, jstrauss
        force user = phillips
        force group = manager
        read only = No
        create mask = 0660
        directory mask = 0770
        hide unreadable = Yes

[jstrauss#]
        path = /opt/FCM
        valid users = jstrauss
        force user = jstrauss
        force group = manager
        read only = No
        create mask = 0660
        directory mask = 0770
        hide unreadable = Yes

My goal was to have each of us users, view the same directory
structure, but when each of us create a file it would be owned by the
creator and only visible by the creator.  I (jstrauss, as the
manager), sometimes go into the jblum# share, create a file, and the
ownership is jblum.  This is the correct and anticipated behavior.

The problem is some of the directories under /opt/FCM contain shared
files (shared between all of us).  I want a common owner of "fcm" on
files in these shared directories, and rw-rw-rw permissions.  What
happens currently, is when jblum (or phillips) edits one of those
shared files the ownership is changed from fcm -> jblum and the
permissions are changed to 660.

I'm trying to avoid having a bunch of shares setup, just to maintain
my permissions and ownerships.  I'm hoping someone here knows how to
accomplish the above with minimal pain

Thanks
Jay
From maney at two14.net  Fri Jun  1 21:43:01 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Fri Jun  1 20:43:15 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Fine tuning my samba setup
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60706011323oe486b31o8394e543e0e9e24f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60706011323oe486b31o8394e543e0e9e24f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070602014301.GA17107@furrr.two14.net>

On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 03:23:44PM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote:
> I'm trying to avoid having a bunch of shares setup, just to maintain
> my permissions and ownerships.  I'm hoping someone here knows how to
> accomplish the above with minimal pain

Doesn't sound like there's any other way.  Samba is, after all, just a
computer program: it does what you *tell* it, not what you want.  :-)

-- 
It isn't that secrets are never needed in security.
It's that they are never desirable.  -- Whitfield Diffie

From trev at advanced-reality.com  Sat Jun  2 10:38:18 2007
From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson)
Date: Sat Jun  2 09:38:59 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Fine tuning my samba setup
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60706011323oe486b31o8394e543e0e9e24f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60706011323oe486b31o8394e543e0e9e24f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1180795098.23232.31.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>

There are several ways to do things however it seems the problem here is
your directory structure.  In particular you have:

/opt/FCM/<user specific dir>/<group shared file>

If you can I would change your structure to something like:
/opt/FCM/jblum
/opt/FCM/phillips
/opt/FCM/shared

Then each of the dirs can be given the appropriate permissions and you
are done with it.  If you can't change your dir structure then you have
to tell samba what rules you want each time they change.

Hope this helps,

	Trev

On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 15:23 -0500, Jay Strauss wrote:
> I'm having a hard time fine tuning my samba setup (regarding ownership
> and permissions).  My salient bits of my smb.conf are:
> 
> [jblum#]
>         path = /opt/FCM
>         valid users = jblum, jstrauss
>         force user = jblum
>         force group = manager
>         read only = No
>         create mask = 0660
>         directory mask = 0770
>         hide unreadable = Yes
> 
> [phillips#]
>         path = /opt/FCM
>         valid users = phillips, jstrauss
>         force user = phillips
>         force group = manager
>         read only = No
>         create mask = 0660
>         directory mask = 0770
>         hide unreadable = Yes
> 
> [jstrauss#]
>         path = /opt/FCM
>         valid users = jstrauss
>         force user = jstrauss
>         force group = manager
>         read only = No
>         create mask = 0660
>         directory mask = 0770
>         hide unreadable = Yes
> 
> My goal was to have each of us users, view the same directory
> structure, but when each of us create a file it would be owned by the
> creator and only visible by the creator.  I (jstrauss, as the
> manager), sometimes go into the jblum# share, create a file, and the
> ownership is jblum.  This is the correct and anticipated behavior.
> 
> The problem is some of the directories under /opt/FCM contain shared
> files (shared between all of us).  I want a common owner of "fcm" on
> files in these shared directories, and rw-rw-rw permissions.  What
> happens currently, is when jblum (or phillips) edits one of those
> shared files the ownership is changed from fcm -> jblum and the
> permissions are changed to 660.
> 
> I'm trying to avoid having a bunch of shares setup, just to maintain
> my permissions and ownerships.  I'm hoping someone here knows how to
> accomplish the above with minimal pain
> 
> Thanks
> Jay
-- 
Trev Peterson
Advanced Reality
Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
Phone: +1 847 406 9018


From me at heyjay.com  Sun Jun  3 08:44:56 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Sun Jun  3 07:45:10 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Fine tuning my samba setup
In-Reply-To: <1180795098.23232.31.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
References: <aabc51b60706011323oe486b31o8394e543e0e9e24f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1180795098.23232.31.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
Message-ID: <aabc51b60706030544l479f666et2dda2665adb490f7@mail.gmail.com>

> There are several ways to do things however it seems the problem here is
> your directory structure.  In particular you have:
>
> /opt/FCM/<user specific dir>/<group shared file>
>
> If you can I would change your structure to something like:
> /opt/FCM/jblum
> /opt/FCM/phillips
> /opt/FCM/shared
>
> Then each of the dirs can be given the appropriate permissions and you
> are done with it.  If you can't change your dir structure then you have
> to tell samba what rules you want each time they change.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>         Trev

Trev,

I'm unsure about what you mean about "tell samba what rules you want
each time they change"?

Thanks
Jay
From trev at advanced-reality.com  Sun Jun  3 11:35:43 2007
From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson)
Date: Sun Jun  3 10:36:14 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Fine tuning my samba setup
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60706030544l479f666et2dda2665adb490f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60706011323oe486b31o8394e543e0e9e24f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1180795098.23232.31.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
	 <aabc51b60706030544l479f666et2dda2665adb490f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1180884943.23232.71.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>

Hey Jay,

The problem is that the access rules are changing.  Samba will assume
they are the same for each subdir unless you tell it differently (via a
new share).  So for example you have:

/opt/FCM which is read/write by everyone but only the owner can
read/write their files

/opt/FCM/everyone which is read/write by everyone (as FCM or via group)
and everyone can see the all the files

The access rules from /opt/FCM have changed.  If

/opt/FCM/everone/dir1 is read/write by everyone but only the owner can
read/write their files

The access rules from /opt/FCM/everyone have changed.


By changing your directory structure to something like:

/opt/FCM (read/write by everyone)
/opt/FCM/jblum (read/write by jblum and jstrauss)
/opt/FCM/phillips (read/write by jblum and jstrauss)

you minimizes the number of times the access rules change and simplify
the configuration.  You still need to change the config (read make a new
share) each time the access rules change.  You can likely find a hack
around this (by using the file-system behaviour) but it will likely be
ugly and not easily maintained (I can think of one possibility but don't
recommend it).

I hope this explains what I meant,

	Trev

On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 07:44 -0500, Jay Strauss wrote:

> Trev,
> 
> I'm unsure about what you mean about "tell samba what rules you want
> each time they change"?
> 
> Thanks
> Jay
-- 
Trev Peterson
Advanced Reality
Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
Phone: +1 847 406 9018


From mswier at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 05:53:58 2007
From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier)
Date: Tue Jun  5 07:00:58 2007
Subject: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 6/5/07 - today
Message-ID: <134572.94112.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi,

NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on Tuesday 6/5/07...today.

We will be discussing WPA w/ radius authentication.

For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/httpd/html/meetings.html#nextmtg

mikie
  
  
  
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From rwilliams at jedcapital.com  Tue Jun  5 12:27:07 2007
From: rwilliams at jedcapital.com (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue Jun  5 11:27:37 2007
Subject: [LUNI] C++/Java developers and Linux/Networking Admin positions
In-Reply-To: <385290126.2561181059533945.JavaMail.root@mail-ce-01.jedcapital.com>
Message-ID: <653566881.2641181060827193.JavaMail.root@mail-ce-01.jedcapital.com>

We are a small financial services and technology company that is rapidly expanding and we are looking for senior or guru level C++/Linux and/or Java programmers as well as Linux/Networking administrators.  If you are interested in a challenging position with high rewards and would like some more information please contact me off-list for more information or just submit your resume.

Thanks,

--Robert
From m.mccune at comcast.net  Tue Jun  5 13:21:02 2007
From: m.mccune at comcast.net (Mike McCune)
Date: Tue Jun  5 12:21:45 2007
Subject: [LUNI] ANN: Windy City Linux Users Group meets again this Thursday.
Message-ID: <46659B7E.8060906@comcast.net>

Once again, it is is WCLUG time. We are meeting again, 7pm at State 
Restaurant, 935 W Webster Ave, Chicago, IL. Get half priced food and a 
full load of wireless Internet and conversation.

www.wclug.org


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From linux at unliketea.com  Fri Jun  8 11:41:28 2007
From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl)
Date: Fri Jun  8 11:42:23 2007
Subject: [LUNI] syslog question
Message-ID: <56637.198.246.140.62.1181317288.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com>

What I am missing here

on FC6
in syslog.conf

# Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher.
# Don't log private authentication messages!
*.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none               
/var/log/messages,@loghost

Write messages to "/var/log/messages,@loghost" instead of
"/var/log/messages" and forwarding to loghost.

TIA

Steve
From seva at sevatech.com  Fri Jun  8 14:51:08 2007
From: seva at sevatech.com (Seva Epsteyn)
Date: Fri Jun  8 13:51:10 2007
Subject: [LUNI] syslog question
In-Reply-To: <56637.198.246.140.62.1181317288.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com>
References: <56637.198.246.140.62.1181317288.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706081350460.23617@ahyy.fringrpu.pbz>

Try splitting that into 2 lines as in:

*.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none /var/log/messages
*.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none @loghost


On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Steve Pribyl wrote:

> What I am missing here
> 
> on FC6
> in syslog.conf
> 
> # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher.
> # Don't log private authentication messages!
> *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none               
> /var/log/messages,@loghost
> 
> Write messages to "/var/log/messages,@loghost" instead of
> "/var/log/messages" and forwarding to loghost.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Steve
> 
From lists at redboy.cx  Sat Jun  9 15:12:22 2007
From: lists at redboy.cx (sten)
Date: Sat Jun  9 14:39:01 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
Message-ID: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>


Hi, list- 

I've got a pair of Hauppauge PVR-250 PCI cards that I've been using in my MythTV box, but Comcast just shut off the analog signal here, which makes them useless to me [1]. These are great cards- you build the IVTV module, and you can just cat /dev/videoN and you've got an MPEG2 file. Works flawlessly with MythTV, never had a problem with them. I poked around on the web, and the lowest price I see them new is $120. How's $75 apiece sound? I'm in Hyde Park and somewhat flexible on pickup times. 

-sten

[1] I'm fully aware that I can pay Comcast to send me 2 upgraded converter boxes at an extra charge, and spend weeks hacking scripts to try to control the converter boxes from MythTV over serial cables. I think I'd rather read a book. 

From trev at advanced-reality.com  Sun Jun 10 17:19:45 2007
From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson)
Date: Sun Jun 10 16:23:12 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Barcamp (request for equipment)
Message-ID: <1181510385.6698.27.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>

Hello,

Barcamp Chicago, an opensource webtech conference
(http://barcampchicago.com/index.php), is coming up in 2 weeks (June
23-24th).  This is a grass-roots convention by the community for the
community.

I am one of the people who volunteered to coordinate the power and
networking infrastructure.  We are looking equipment we can use for the
entire weekend.  In particular we could use: 8+ outlet powerstrips, 5+
powerstrips, 12+ port 10/100 switches, UPSes and an Access Point.  If
you have any of the equipment and are willing to support Barcamp by
letting us use it for the weekend please update the wiki page with your
name, a contact phone number and the items you are committing to bring.
The Network and Power wiki page is here:
http://barcampchicago.com/index.php?wiki=NetworkandPower

We will be contacting people next week to coordinate equipment
transportation.

If you plan to attend but can not/do not wish to have your hardware at
Barcamp for the entire weekend please bring a small switch, cables and a
power strip or one of these for a small group.

Thanks and hope to see you all there,
-- 
Trev Peterson
Advanced Reality
Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
Phone: +1 847 406 9018


From aclose at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 09:39:16 2007
From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close)
Date: Mon Jun 11 08:39:27 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
References: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
Message-ID: <d8be87680706110639x2cdddd92v562eeb55aa82951c@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/9/07, sten <lists@redboy.cx> wrote:
>
> Hi, list-
>
> I've got a pair of Hauppauge PVR-250 PCI cards that I've been using in my MythTV box, but Comcast just shut off the analog signal here, which makes them useless to me [1]. These are great cards- you build the IVTV module, and you can just cat /dev/videoN and you've got an MPEG2 file. Works flawlessly with MythTV, never had a problem with them. I poked around on the web, and the lowest price I see them new is $120. How's $75 apiece sound? I'm in Hyde Park and somewhat flexible on pickup times.
>
> -sten
>
> [1] I'm fully aware that I can pay Comcast to send me 2 upgraded converter boxes at an extra charge, and spend weeks hacking scripts to try to control the converter boxes from MythTV over serial cables. I think I'd rather read a book.

Comcast is the most annoying...  :)
i had/have the same prob.  Comcast went completely digital in my area
and now i'm without decent Myth capture ability.  i still get a fairly
decent signal from an antenna, so my Mythbox gets its feed from the
antenna.

i'll second the PVR-250 being an excellent card for analog capture.

Sten, if you don't get any bites locally (LUNI), you may want to check
with the MythTv mailing list (mythtv-users@mythtv.org)
From mlabowicz at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 10:09:15 2007
From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz)
Date: Mon Jun 11 09:09:20 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <d8be87680706110639x2cdddd92v562eeb55aa82951c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
	 <d8be87680706110639x2cdddd92v562eeb55aa82951c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d92b59a90706110709m6fb975c1h53724a129acf4532@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/11/07, Andrew Close <aclose@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 6/9/07, sten <lists@redboy.cx> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, list-
> >
> > I've got a pair of Hauppauge PVR-250 PCI cards that I've been using in
> my MythTV box, but Comcast just shut off the analog signal here, which makes
> them useless to me [1]. These are great cards- you build the IVTV module,
> and you can just cat /dev/videoN and you've got an MPEG2 file. Works
> flawlessly with MythTV, never had a problem with them. I poked around on the
> web, and the lowest price I see them new is $120. How's $75 apiece sound?
> I'm in Hyde Park and somewhat flexible on pickup times.
> >
> > -sten
> >
> > [1] I'm fully aware that I can pay Comcast to send me 2 upgraded
> converter boxes at an extra charge, and spend weeks hacking scripts to try
> to control the converter boxes from MythTV over serial cables. I think I'd
> rather read a book.
>
> Comcast is the most annoying...  :)
> i had/have the same prob.  Comcast went completely digital in my area
> and now i'm without decent Myth capture ability.  i still get a fairly
> decent signal from an antenna, so my Mythbox gets its feed from the
> antenna.
>

Do both of you have digital cable receivers in your homes already?  I'm
wondering how comcast will handle an analog only setup like I have... If
they tell me that my analog signal is going away, then they'll lose a
customer.

-- 
Michael Labowicz
http://www.labowicz.com/blog/
From aclose at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 10:21:16 2007
From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close)
Date: Mon Jun 11 09:21:19 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <d92b59a90706110709m6fb975c1h53724a129acf4532@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
	 <d8be87680706110639x2cdddd92v562eeb55aa82951c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d92b59a90706110709m6fb975c1h53724a129acf4532@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8be87680706110721o31f60161s46af5aafb91ab38@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/11/07, Michael Labowicz <mlabowicz@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip />
>
> Do both of you have digital cable receivers in your homes already?  I'm
> wondering how comcast will handle an analog only setup like I have... If
> they tell me that my analog signal is going away, then they'll lose a
> customer.

no, i don't. they didn't even warn me (that i know of).  one day i
turned on the tv and it was just snow. :(  i've debated upgrading to
the digital box, but i really don't want to rent one more thing.  and
even if i did rent their box my Mythbox wouldn't be as useful as it
had been since you'd need a separate digital box for each tuner card
you had.  so no more recording three programs at the same time.
of course, you can pay a little more in your monthly rental fee and
get a Comcast dvr without as many features...
From mlabowicz at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 10:32:22 2007
From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz)
Date: Mon Jun 11 09:32:28 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <d8be87680706110721o31f60161s46af5aafb91ab38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
	 <d8be87680706110639x2cdddd92v562eeb55aa82951c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d92b59a90706110709m6fb975c1h53724a129acf4532@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d8be87680706110721o31f60161s46af5aafb91ab38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d92b59a90706110732s6437b771s8a6b585955a7059b@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/11/07, Andrew Close <aclose@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> no, i don't. they didn't even warn me (that i know of).  one day i
> turned on the tv and it was just snow. :(  i've debated upgrading to
> the digital box, but i really don't want to rent one more thing.  and
> even if i did rent their box my Mythbox wouldn't be as useful as it
> had been since you'd need a separate digital box for each tuner card
> you had.  so no more recording three programs at the same time.
> of course, you can pay a little more in your monthly rental fee and
> get a Comcast dvr without as many features...
> --
>

According to this article (
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6432144.html) you should still be able
to get 34 channels of analog goodness... has that been your experience?

I would probably also choose not rent a digital box and upgrade to digital
service - if this rolls out to my suburb, all it will do is drive me to
watch less TV as my choices dwindle.  My alternative would probably be to
continue using my DVR (Freevo) to record the channels that I still get in
analog and rent more DVDs through netflix.

-- 
Michael Labowicz
http://www.labowicz.com/blog/
From aclose at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 10:58:01 2007
From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close)
Date: Mon Jun 11 09:58:04 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <d92b59a90706110732s6437b771s8a6b585955a7059b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
	 <d8be87680706110639x2cdddd92v562eeb55aa82951c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d92b59a90706110709m6fb975c1h53724a129acf4532@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d8be87680706110721o31f60161s46af5aafb91ab38@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d92b59a90706110732s6437b771s8a6b585955a7059b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8be87680706110758w3627b2fev1dc38bf2d9a87e9c@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/11/07, Michael Labowicz <mlabowicz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/11/07, Andrew Close <aclose@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > no, i don't. they didn't even warn me (that i know of).  one day i
> > turned on the tv and it was just snow. :(  i've debated upgrading to
> > the digital box, but i really don't want to rent one more thing.  and
> > even if i did rent their box my Mythbox wouldn't be as useful as it
> > had been since you'd need a separate digital box for each tuner card
> > you had.  so no more recording three programs at the same time.
> > of course, you can pay a little more in your monthly rental fee and
> > get a Comcast dvr without as many features...
> > --
> >
>
> According to this article (
> http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6432144.html) you should still be able
> to get 34 channels of analog goodness... has that been your experience?

not my experience.  i don't get anything but snow...
From luni at pyewacket.org  Mon Jun 11 09:01:01 2007
From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Mon Jun 11 10:01:09 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
Message-ID: <20070611080101.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.28e3e43af2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

This blows.  I recently upgraded to a Series 3 TiVo and was going to
give my old Series 1 (service paid up until March) to my brother who is
on Commie-Cast.  But if it will soon be rendered useless, then there's
not much point.
Also, I know of more than a few Commie-Cast subscribers who have
multiple televisions with no boxes (they just watch basic and don't
even have a roof antenna).  That will cause a bit of a problem for
them.
Maybe you guys need to look into a class-action against them (I have WoW
and they still broadcast analog with no announcement to change), since
this looks like a way for the cable co to:

1.  Generate more revenue
2.  Free up bandwidth for more PPV channels in their lineup (see #1).

- Mike Scott


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
> From: "Andrew Close" <aclose@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, June 11, 2007 9:21 am
> To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion"
> <luni@luni.org>
> 
> On 6/11/07, Michael Labowicz <mlabowicz@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip />
> >
> > Do both of you have digital cable receivers in your homes already?  I'm
> > wondering how comcast will handle an analog only setup like I
> have... If
> > they tell me that my analog signal is going away, then they'll lose a
> > customer.
> 
> no, i don't. they didn't even warn me (that i know of).  one day i
> turned on the tv and it was just snow. :(  i've debated upgrading to
> the digital box, but i really don't want to rent one more thing.  and
> even if i did rent their box my Mythbox wouldn't be as useful as it
> had been since you'd need a separate digital box for each tuner card
> you had.  so no more recording three programs at the same time.
> of course, you can pay a little more in your monthly rental fee and
> get a Comcast dvr without as many features...
> -- 
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion 
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni

From ohrock at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 11:25:39 2007
From: ohrock at gmail.com (Roberto Serrano)
Date: Mon Jun 11 10:25:42 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
References: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
Message-ID: <3d76512f0706110825u318589abgd983907921ed51de@mail.gmail.com>

I have comcast digital working with an external box and my analog tunner
(pvr-150).

I use a serial cable to control the box, is very easy to get it set up, and
there is plenty of documentation on how to do this. Unless you get screwed
up with a tuner box w/o serial port you can definitely go this route.

If you want, let me know what box you get and I will send you a copy of my
"external tuner script" -  it is actually a binary.

The really good thing about going digital is that paying a bit extra a month
you can get the HD box that has fire-wire port.  I played with it a couple
years ago with not much success -  back then the support was flaky - but I
can only imaging now has gotten a lot better.   Does anyone have a rig like
this?  How is mythtv with the comcast HD box nowadays?

Roberto


On 6/9/07, sten <lists@redboy.cx> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, list-
>
> I've got a pair of Hauppauge PVR-250 PCI cards that I've been using in my
> MythTV box, but Comcast just shut off the analog signal here, which makes
> them useless to me [1]. These are great cards- you build the IVTV module,
> and you can just cat /dev/videoN and you've got an MPEG2 file. Works
> flawlessly with MythTV, never had a problem with them. I poked around on the
> web, and the lowest price I see them new is $120. How's $75 apiece sound?
> I'm in Hyde Park and somewhat flexible on pickup times.
>
> -sten
>
> [1] I'm fully aware that I can pay Comcast to send me 2 upgraded converter
> boxes at an extra charge, and spend weeks hacking scripts to try to control
> the converter boxes from MythTV over serial cables. I think I'd rather read
> a book.
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
From aclose at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 11:31:48 2007
From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close)
Date: Mon Jun 11 10:32:00 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <20070611080101.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.28e3e43af2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20070611080101.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.28e3e43af2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <d8be87680706110831y48ae0a7ai799b4d880ca9b5e9@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/11/07, Mike Scott <luni@pyewacket.org> wrote:
> This blows.  I recently upgraded to a Series 3 TiVo and was going to
> give my old Series 1 (service paid up until March) to my brother who is
> on Commie-Cast.  But if it will soon be rendered useless, then there's
> not much point.
> Also, I know of more than a few Commie-Cast subscribers who have
> multiple televisions with no boxes (they just watch basic and don't
> even have a roof antenna).  That will cause a bit of a problem for
> them.
> Maybe you guys need to look into a class-action against them (I have WoW
> and they still broadcast analog with no announcement to change), since
> this looks like a way for the cable co to:
>
> 1.  Generate more revenue
> 2.  Free up bandwidth for more PPV channels in their lineup (see #1).

WoW will eventually be getting rid of their analogue feeds too.  it
only makes sense for them businesswise as they end up with more pipe
space to push new services/channels/bandwidth/etc.
having to have a settop box for every tv is a major bummer.
especially when you have to rent them.  what's the point of paying for
a tuner in your tv?  which by the way is difficult to buy without a
tuner. :)  cablecard was supposed to be a boon for cable customers so
they didn't need the stupid tuner boxes.  but it has been held up and
crippled so bad that even if you can get a working cablecard it
doesn't work.  there was an article over the weekend where some
techrag was reviewing ATI's new AllinWonder Cablecard card and they
couldn't even get a signal with it. :)
From jrstark at barntowire.com  Mon Jun 11 12:10:54 2007
From: jrstark at barntowire.com (Janine Starykowicz)
Date: Mon Jun 11 11:10:41 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <d8be87680706110831y48ae0a7ai799b4d880ca9b5e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<20070611080101.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.28e3e43af2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
	<d8be87680706110831y48ae0a7ai799b4d880ca9b5e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <466D740E.1030305@barntowire.com>

Andrew Close wrote:
> having to have a settop box for every tv is a major bummer.

I don't know how well this will work with Linux, but DISH has dual-tuner 
boxes.  Two TVs can feed off one box (or you can watch a second channel 
while recording the first if only one TV).

Janine


From aclose at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 12:34:49 2007
From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close)
Date: Mon Jun 11 11:34:51 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <466D740E.1030305@barntowire.com>
References: <20070611080101.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.28e3e43af2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
	<d8be87680706110831y48ae0a7ai799b4d880ca9b5e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<466D740E.1030305@barntowire.com>
Message-ID: <d8be87680706110934l3523d7admcec92f7e7a0b33a8@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/11/07, Janine Starykowicz <jrstark@barntowire.com> wrote:
> Andrew Close wrote:
> > having to have a settop box for every tv is a major bummer.
>
> I don't know how well this will work with Linux, but DISH has dual-tuner
> boxes.  Two TVs can feed off one box (or you can watch a second channel
> while recording the first if only one TV).

interesting.  how do you change channels?  does the tuner box have two
separate remotes?  if not, how does the box know what channel to feed
which tv?
From luni at pyewacket.org  Mon Jun 11 10:39:10 2007
From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Mon Jun 11 11:39:17 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
Message-ID: <20070611093910.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.eccf18e1e2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

> tuner. :)  cablecard was supposed to be a boon for cable customers so
> they didn't need the stupid tuner boxes.  but it has been held up and
> crippled so bad that even if you can get a working cablecard it
> doesn't work.

My new Series 3 TiVo has dual digital tuners and is currently working
flawlessly with 2 cablecards.
I pay a few bucks a month and other than a small fight with WoW customer
support to get them to initialize them it was generally a positive
experience.  Cable companies HATE cablecards for two reasons (well, two
versions of the same reason):

1.  They don't allow PPV (lost $$$ for cableco)
2.  Don't work with OnDemand (again lost $$$)

They also tell you you can't use the onscreen guide, but with TiVo
that's a moot point, since the TiVo guide is light years ahead of the
cableco guides.  As for PPV and OnDemand, I can rent movies from Amazon
and have them download directly into my TiVo for viewing.

I would imagine there will be (if not already) digital tuner cards that
accept cablecards and play nice with Linux Myth.

- Mike Scott

From jrstark at barntowire.com  Mon Jun 11 12:55:05 2007
From: jrstark at barntowire.com (Janine Starykowicz)
Date: Mon Jun 11 11:54:52 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <d8be87680706110934l3523d7admcec92f7e7a0b33a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<20070611080101.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.28e3e43af2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
	<d8be87680706110831y48ae0a7ai799b4d880ca9b5e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<466D740E.1030305@barntowire.com>
	<d8be87680706110934l3523d7admcec92f7e7a0b33a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <466D7E69.5080604@barntowire.com>

Andrew Close wrote:
> On 6/11/07, Janine Starykowicz <jrstark@barntowire.com> wrote:
>> Andrew Close wrote:
>> > having to have a settop box for every tv is a major bummer.
>>
>> I don't know how well this will work with Linux, but DISH has dual-tuner
>> boxes.  Two TVs can feed off one box (or you can watch a second channel
>> while recording the first if only one TV).
>
> interesting.  how do you change channels?  does the tuner box have two
> separate remotes?  if not, how does the box know what channel to feed
> which tv?

Two remotes.  TV1 is set to channel 3 like normal, works with the TV1 
remote.  TV2 is set to channel 73, uses the TV2 remote.  I have 4 TVs 
running off 2 boxes, so don't know how a single TV would work.  The 
second TV just has co-ax feeding in, so it should work the same into a 
computer.  All our internal co-ax is the same that used to be for cable, 
only the outside wiring changed.

Janine

From trev at advanced-reality.com  Mon Jun 11 13:04:51 2007
From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson)
Date: Mon Jun 11 12:07:27 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <20070611093910.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.eccf18e1e2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: 
	<20070611093910.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.eccf18e1e2.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <1181581491.6698.52.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>

I'm not so sure about that.  I think the DRM/encryption may be a
problem.  It'd be great if I'm wrong but it seems to defeat the whole
purpose of locking it up in the first place.

	Trev

On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 09:39 -0700, Mike Scott wrote:

> I would imagine there will be (if not already) digital tuner cards that
> accept cablecards and play nice with Linux Myth.
> 

-- 
Trev Peterson
Advanced Reality
Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
Phone: +1 847 406 9018


From bradbosch at comcast.net  Mon Jun 11 13:35:33 2007
From: bradbosch at comcast.net (bradbosch@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jun 11 12:46:27 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
In-Reply-To: <d92b59a90706110732s6437b771s8a6b585955a7059b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3a5a727a9b548fd242a5ce93c009608@localhost>
	<d8be87680706110639x2cdddd92v562eeb55aa82951c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d92b59a90706110709m6fb975c1h53724a129acf4532@mail.gmail.com>
	<d8be87680706110721o31f60161s46af5aafb91ab38@mail.gmail.com>
	<d92b59a90706110732s6437b771s8a6b585955a7059b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18029.34789.978853.714030@waldo.lisle.iphase.com>

Michael Labowicz writes:
 > On 6/11/07, Andrew Close <aclose@gmail.com> wrote:
 > >
 > >
 > > no, i don't. they didn't even warn me (that i know of).  one day i
 > > turned on the tv and it was just snow. :(  i've debated upgrading to
 > > the digital box, but i really don't want to rent one more thing.  and
 > > even if i did rent their box my Mythbox wouldn't be as useful as it
 > > had been since you'd need a separate digital box for each tuner card
 > > you had.  so no more recording three programs at the same time.
 > > of course, you can pay a little more in your monthly rental fee and
 > > get a Comcast dvr without as many features...
 > > --
 > >
 > 
 > According to this article (
 > http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6432144.html) you should still be able
 > to get 34 channels of analog goodness... has that been your experience?

My guess is that most of these same 34 channels are the ones
available in unencyrpted QAM ATSC format on Comcast.  There are
several MythTV supported digital tuners which can be used to receive
these channels.  Many people don't realize that you don't generally
even need to subscribe to digital service to receive these channels
with a digital tuner card.

I have a 4 tuner HD MythTV setup with two analog MPEG2 encoder tuners
and two different digital tuners.  The analog tuners and one of the
digital tuners are connected to Comcast basic cable (QAM-256 ATSC).
The other digital tuner is connected to an antenna (8-VSB ATSC).  I
get roughly the same programming on the cable and antenna digital
tuners.  I have not investigated the cable card or FireWire cable box
path which I assume *might* some day have a small chance of grabbing
the encrypted programming for use by MythTV if one subscribes to
digital cable.

Luckily, most of the programming I actually watch comes from the
traditional broadcast networks which, it seems, will be freely
available on both cable and OTA in digital form for the foreseeable
future.

Neither I, nor my kids, would want to give up our MythTV life style.
:-)

--Brad
From luni at pyewacket.org  Mon Jun 11 15:12:35 2007
From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Mon Jun 11 16:12:43 2007
Subject: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
Message-ID: <20070611141235.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.624a69ca14.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

But as long as the decryption is done in hardware there shouldn't be an
issue.
The cablecards won't let you have what you aren't entitled to.
The TiVo box runs Linux as it's OS, so technically it should be
possible.
Although hardware manufacturers (modems etc) seem to like to eliminate
hardware and offload functions to software and Microsoft is more than
happy to take up the slack and lock the hardware to Windows.

- Mike Scott


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [LUNI] OT: Linux-friendly TV Tuners for sale
> From: Trev Peterson <trev@advanced-reality.com>
> Date: Mon, June 11, 2007 12:04 pm
> To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> <luni@luni.org>
> 
> I'm not so sure about that.  I think the DRM/encryption may be a
> problem.  It'd be great if I'm wrong but it seems to defeat the whole
> purpose of locking it up in the first place.
> 
> 	Trev
> 
> On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 09:39 -0700, Mike Scott wrote:
> 
> > I would imagine there will be (if not already) digital tuner cards that
> > accept cablecards and play nice with Linux Myth.
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Trev Peterson
> Advanced Reality
> Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
> Phone: +1 847 406 9018
> 
> 
> -- 
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion 
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni

From special.kevin at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 23:48:16 2007
From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss)
Date: Mon Jun 11 22:48:26 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Chicago Gnome User Group First Meeting
Message-ID: <97b3d1fd0706112048x32be1063k9d6e2f42c0d2fa78@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

The Chicago Gnome User Group will be having our first meeting on June
24th at 3:00 pm.  The meeting will be taking place at BARcamp Chicago,
http://barcampchicago.com, located at  1464 N Milwaukee Ave, Chicago
IL.  This is one block from the Damen stop on the Blue Line CTA train.
 The meeting agenda is going to include a What is Gnome, Why to use
Gnome and Plans for the Chicago Gnome User Group.  We also have a
mailing list at
https://www.chicagolug.org/lists/listinfo/chicagognome.  Thanks to
Chicago GNU/Linux User Group for hosting our mailing list.

Chicago Gnome User Group Meeting

When: June 24, 2007
Time: 3:00 pm
Where: BARcamp Chicago, 1464 N Milwaukee Ave, Chicago IL

I hope to see you there,

Kevin Harriss

-- 
- specialKevin
- Kevin Harriss
- http://www.specialkevin.com
From special.kevin at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 09:38:09 2007
From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss)
Date: Tue Jun 12 08:38:13 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Re: [gugmasters] Chicago Gnome User Group First Meeting
In-Reply-To: <466E4DD1.6000206@gnome.org>
References: <97b3d1fd0706112048x32be1063k9d6e2f42c0d2fa78@mail.gmail.com>
	 <466E4DD1.6000206@gnome.org>
Message-ID: <97b3d1fd0706120638oc1caa32ja1465a665ac9ed74@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/12/07, Dave Neary <bolsh@gnome.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks Kevin,
>
> I've added this to the calendar (and invited you to share the calendar,
> in case you have other events you'd like to add ;) )
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.

Dave,

Thanks for adding this to the calendar.  I will add any further
meetings to the calendar.

Thanks,

Kevin

-- 
- specialKevin
- Kevin Harriss
- http://www.specialkevin.com
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From: ryan.aviles at gmail.com (Ryan Aviles)
Date: Tue Jun 12 21:15:45 2007
Subject: [LUNI] mail error storm
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Hi,
I and many other subscriber's to a friend's listserv have been sh*t stormed
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I've tried analyzing the mail headers to find the host but it seems to be
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ryan
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From me at heyjay.com  Tue Jun 12 22:59:35 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Tue Jun 12 21:59:36 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Fine tuning my samba setup
In-Reply-To: <1180884943.23232.71.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
References: <aabc51b60706011323oe486b31o8394e543e0e9e24f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1180795098.23232.31.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
	 <aabc51b60706030544l479f666et2dda2665adb490f7@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1180884943.23232.71.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
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On 6/3/07, Trev Peterson <trev@advanced-reality.com> wrote:
> Hey Jay,
>
> The problem is that the access rules are changing.  Samba will assume
> they are the same for each subdir unless you tell it differently (via a
> new share).  So for example you have:
>
> /opt/FCM which is read/write by everyone but only the owner can
> read/write their files
>
> /opt/FCM/everyone which is read/write by everyone (as FCM or via group)
> and everyone can see the all the files
>
> The access rules from /opt/FCM have changed.  If
>
> /opt/FCM/everone/dir1 is read/write by everyone but only the owner can
> read/write their files
>
> The access rules from /opt/FCM/everyone have changed.
>
>
> By changing your directory structure to something like:
>
> /opt/FCM (read/write by everyone)
> /opt/FCM/jblum (read/write by jblum and jstrauss)
> /opt/FCM/phillips (read/write by jblum and jstrauss)
>
> you minimizes the number of times the access rules change and simplify
> the configuration.  You still need to change the config (read make a new
> share) each time the access rules change.  You can likely find a hack
> around this (by using the file-system behaviour) but it will likely be
> ugly and not easily maintained (I can think of one possibility but don't
> recommend it).
>
> I hope this explains what I meant,
>
>         Trev
>
> On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 07:44 -0500, Jay Strauss wrote:
>
> > Trev,
> >
> > I'm unsure about what you mean about "tell samba what rules you want
> > each time they change"?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jay
> --
> Trev Peterson
> Advanced Reality
> Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
> Phone: +1 847 406 9018

Trev, I ended up going down the route your suggested, and just changed
my dir structure.  Most of the bugs are worked out.

Thanks
Jay
From jquigley at jquigley.com  Wed Jun 13 02:35:02 2007
From: jquigley at jquigley.com (John Quigley)
Date: Wed Jun 13 01:35:06 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Chicago Linux Meeting: June 16
Message-ID: <466F9016.7090202@jquigley.com>

Folks:

The Chicago GNU/Linux Group is meeting on Saturday, June 16, 2007 at 
3:00pm.  We'll be meeting at the Cleversafe, Inc. offices, right off the 
red and green lines by US Cellular Field:

   http://tinyurl.com/2j22sn

Our presentations are set to be:

   * The Falcon Storage Engine (Jess Balint)
   * Reading and Understanding Software Licensing (Erik Rakoczy)

Additionally, we'll be spending time as a group in planning for BarCamp, 
which is taking place next weekend, and discussing group projects being 
developed during our weekly code sprints.  As always, beer and food are 
allowed: please come prepared.

For further information, visit our homepage or see the meeting agenda:

   * http://www.chicagolug.org/
   * http://www.chicagolug.org/wiki/Agenda20070616

Feel free to call or email me directly with questions or concerns.

Best,
John Quigley

cell 312.351.3671
mail jq@jquigley.com
home www.jquigley.com
From bolsh at gnome.org  Tue Jun 12 10:40:01 2007
From: bolsh at gnome.org (Dave Neary)
Date: Thu Jun 14 08:02:36 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Re: [gugmasters] Chicago Gnome User Group First Meeting
In-Reply-To: <97b3d1fd0706112048x32be1063k9d6e2f42c0d2fa78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <97b3d1fd0706112048x32be1063k9d6e2f42c0d2fa78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <466E4DD1.6000206@gnome.org>


Thanks Kevin,

I've added this to the calendar (and invited you to share the calendar,
in case you have other events you'd like to add ;) )

Cheers,
Dave.

Kevin Harriss wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> The Chicago Gnome User Group will be having our first meeting on June
> 24th at 3:00 pm.  The meeting will be taking place at BARcamp Chicago,
> http://barcampchicago.com, located at  1464 N Milwaukee Ave, Chicago
> IL.  This is one block from the Damen stop on the Blue Line CTA train.
>  The meeting agenda is going to include a What is Gnome, Why to use
> Gnome and Plans for the Chicago Gnome User Group.  We also have a
> mailing list at
> https://www.chicagolug.org/lists/listinfo/chicagognome.  Thanks to
> Chicago GNU/Linux User Group for hosting our mailing list.
> 
> Chicago Gnome User Group Meeting
> 
> When: June 24, 2007
> Time: 3:00 pm
> Where: BARcamp Chicago, 1464 N Milwaukee Ave, Chicago IL
> 
> I hope to see you there,
> 
> Kevin Harriss
> 


-- 
Dave Neary
GNOME Foundation member
bolsh@gnome.org
From lucasr at gnome.org  Tue Jun 12 15:00:08 2007
From: lucasr at gnome.org (Lucas Rocha)
Date: Thu Jun 14 08:02:40 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Re: Chicago Gnome User Group First Meeting
In-Reply-To: <97b3d1fd0706112048x32be1063k9d6e2f42c0d2fa78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <97b3d1fd0706112048x32be1063k9d6e2f42c0d2fa78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31a62e6f0706120400u387f3c23ua1fc5f3b5a638dc9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kevin,

It would be nice to have some people from the Chicago user group
subscribed to the GNOME user groups mailing list:

  http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gugmasters-list

Cheers!

--lucasr


2007/6/12, Kevin Harriss <special.kevin@gmail.com>:
> Hello All,
>
> The Chicago Gnome User Group will be having our first meeting on June
> 24th at 3:00 pm.  The meeting will be taking place at BARcamp Chicago,
> http://barcampchicago.com, located at  1464 N Milwaukee Ave, Chicago
> IL.  This is one block from the Damen stop on the Blue Line CTA train.
>  The meeting agenda is going to include a What is Gnome, Why to use
> Gnome and Plans for the Chicago Gnome User Group.  We also have a
> mailing list at
> https://www.chicagolug.org/lists/listinfo/chicagognome.  Thanks to
> Chicago GNU/Linux User Group for hosting our mailing list.
>
> Chicago Gnome User Group Meeting
>
> When: June 24, 2007
> Time: 3:00 pm
> Where: BARcamp Chicago, 1464 N Milwaukee Ave, Chicago IL
>
> I hope to see you there,
>
> Kevin Harriss
>
> --
> - specialKevin
> - Kevin Harriss
> - http://www.specialkevin.com
> --
> marketing-list mailing list
> marketing-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
>
From mlabowicz at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 11:30:40 2007
From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:30:44 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Kill previous command?
Message-ID: <d92b59a90706200830s1ffca809w65c37a8e47aec775@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Luni,
I'm looking to record some FM radio off of my ivtv-compatible hardware
encoding card.  I'm currently planning on calling a script like this through
a cron job and ending it through the use of a combination of sleep and kill:

#! /bin/sh
cat /dev/video24 > recording.wav & sleep 3h
kill (previous process?)

Problem is, I'm not sure how to kill the previous command, I know it has
something to do with the ! symbol, but I can't seem to find how to do it.
Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Michael Labowicz
http://www.labowicz.com/blog/
From linux at unliketea.com  Wed Jun 20 11:57:37 2007
From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:57:45 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Kill previous command?
In-Reply-To: <48890.198.246.140.62.1182354562.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com>
References: <d92b59a90706200830s1ffca809w65c37a8e47aec775@mail.gmail.com>
    <48890.198.246.140.62.1182354562.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com>
Message-ID: <12606.198.246.140.62.1182355057.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com>

> #00 21 * * 6 /usr/local/bin/fmcapture 98.7 124
> /mnt/mm/timers/midnight_special-\%Y-\%m-\%d.mp3
>
> Something like this.
>
> It will tune the radio and run for the time requested and out put in
> servral formats.
>
> http://angerman.net/articles/radio/
>
> Steve
>> Dear Luni,
>> I'm looking to record some FM radio off of my ivtv-compatible hardware
>> encoding card.  I'm currently planning on calling a script like this
>> through
>> a cron job and ending it through the use of a combination of sleep and
>> kill:
>>
>> #! /bin/sh
>> cat /dev/video24 > recording.wav & sleep 3h
>> kill (previous process?)
>>
>> Problem is, I'm not sure how to kill the previous command, I know it has
>> something to do with the ! symbol, but I can't seem to find how to do
>> it.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> --
>> Michael Labowicz
>> http://www.labowicz.com/blog/
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>>
>>
>
>

From mscott at pyewacket.org  Wed Jun 20 10:09:24 2007
From: mscott at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:09:36 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Kill previous command?
Message-ID: <20070620090924.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.7c92753f37.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

I have seen a combination of piping the ps command through grep using
the command name to locate the PID and feeding that to kill. 'cat' may
be a bit ambiguous so you might want to launch one script to start the
process then fire off another to nuke it.

Also, if you fire off the cat command in the background (append an
ampersand to the end) with backticks around it, it should return the
PID, which you can save in an environment variable and use that later
to kill it.

- Mike Scott


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [LUNI] Kill previous command?
> From: "Michael Labowicz" <mlabowicz@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, June 20, 2007 10:30 am
> To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion"
> <luni@luni.org>
> 
> Dear Luni,
> I'm looking to record some FM radio off of my ivtv-compatible hardware
> encoding card.  I'm currently planning on calling a script like this
> through
> a cron job and ending it through the use of a combination of sleep and
> kill:
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> cat /dev/video24 > recording.wav & sleep 3h
> kill (previous process?)
> 
> Problem is, I'm not sure how to kill the previous command, I know it has
> something to do with the ! symbol, but I can't seem to find how to do it.
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> -- 
> Michael Labowicz
> http://www.labowicz.com/blog/
> -- 
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion 
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni

From sfaci at cs.uic.edu  Wed Jun 20 12:22:55 2007
From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:22:58 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Kill previous command?
In-Reply-To: <20070620090924.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.7c92753f37.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20070620090924.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.7c92753f37.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0706200922y8df7b9v12bf94dfc4db0a8d@mail.gmail.com>

well, if you have a unique name you can use something like this

pgrep "myuniquescript" | xargs kill -9

that'll work, but the script name has to be unique.

--
Samir

On 6/20/07, Mike Scott <mscott@pyewacket.org> wrote:
> I have seen a combination of piping the ps command through grep using
> the command name to locate the PID and feeding that to kill. 'cat' may
> be a bit ambiguous so you might want to launch one script to start the
> process then fire off another to nuke it.
>
> Also, if you fire off the cat command in the background (append an
> ampersand to the end) with backticks around it, it should return the
> PID, which you can save in an environment variable and use that later
> to kill it.
>
> - Mike Scott
>
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [LUNI] Kill previous command?
> > From: "Michael Labowicz" <mlabowicz@gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, June 20, 2007 10:30 am
> > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion"
> > <luni@luni.org>
> >
> > Dear Luni,
> > I'm looking to record some FM radio off of my ivtv-compatible hardware
> > encoding card.  I'm currently planning on calling a script like this
> > through
> > a cron job and ending it through the use of a combination of sleep and
> > kill:
> >
> > #! /bin/sh
> > cat /dev/video24 > recording.wav & sleep 3h
> > kill (previous process?)
> >
> > Problem is, I'm not sure how to kill the previous command, I know it has
> > something to do with the ! symbol, but I can't seem to find how to do it.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > --
> > Michael Labowicz
> > http://www.labowicz.com/blog/
> > --
> > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
From me at heyjay.com  Wed Jun 20 12:33:13 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:33:16 2007
Subject: [LUNI] XP for sale?
Message-ID: <aabc51b60706200933y27fc7ae2te9b64e7cd21fe05b@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have a copy of XP they can part with for free or fee?  I have a
new work computer with Vista, and things are a little too buggy.

Thanks
Jay
From dbt at meat.net  Wed Jun 20 12:50:17 2007
From: dbt at meat.net (David Terrell)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:50:21 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Kill previous command?
In-Reply-To: <d92b59a90706200830s1ffca809w65c37a8e47aec775@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d92b59a90706200830s1ffca809w65c37a8e47aec775@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070620165017.GF5873@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org>

On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 10:30:40AM -0500, Michael Labowicz wrote:
> Dear Luni,
> I'm looking to record some FM radio off of my ivtv-compatible hardware
> encoding card.  I'm currently planning on calling a script like this through
> a cron job and ending it through the use of a combination of sleep and kill:
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> cat /dev/video24 > recording.wav & sleep 3h
> kill (previous process?)
> 
> Problem is, I'm not sure how to kill the previous command, I know it has
> something to do with the ! symbol, but I can't seem to find how to do it.
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance!

you shell man page should have information like this (check under 
job control).

cmd & 
pid=$!
sleep 3h
kill $pid

-- 
David Terrell
dbt@meat.net
((meatspace)) http://meat.net/
From sushid at voxlox.com  Tue Jun 19 17:47:14 2007
From: sushid at voxlox.com (D. Wade)
Date: Wed Jun 20 14:50:00 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Critique my backup plans :)
Message-ID: <46784EE2.1050501@voxlox.com>

Hi all --

I'm looking for a "doofus check" from y'all on my home file-server 
backup strategy.  I haven't seen anyone else try to approximate a 
tape-backup strategy like this, or else I'd be contented with following 
someone else's web advice. :)

System is Ubuntu Dapper LTS, exporting shares via Samba. 
Share directories are on /srv/share/int0, a hard disk inside the box 
(/dev/hda2)
Backup targets are 2 separate hard disks in removable 5-1/4" caddies:
    /srv/share/ext0     (/dev/hdc2)
    /srv/share/ext1     (/dev/hdd2)
The plan is to keep the removable disks asleep to minimize heat, wear, 
and ohcraps, and run the following scripts daily/weekly to back up the 
shares.  The backup drives can theoretically be yanked and attached to 
another system to get the data if something bad happens to the server.

Step 1 -- set TARGET to either "ext0" or "ext1" depending on which 
day/week it is
Step 2 -- Backup
    # wake up and mount the drives in the caddies
    mount /dev/hdc2
    mount /dev/hdd2
    # copy shared dirs to TARGET (ext0 or ext1)
    rsync -av /srv/share/int0/ /srv/share/$TARGET
Step 3 -- Put external drives back to Sleep
    # put em away
    umount /dev/hdd2
    umount /dev/hdc2
    # put em to sleep
    hdparm -Y /dev/hdd
    hdparm -Y /dev/hdc

Thoughts?  Am I missing something silly?  This struck me as "the 
simplest thing that could possibly work."  Muchos appreciations for your 
eyes on this.

--Derek W.
From mark at msbrepairs.com  Wed Jun 20 17:39:54 2007
From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge)
Date: Wed Jun 20 16:45:22 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Critique my backup plans :)
In-Reply-To: <46784EE2.1050501@voxlox.com>
References: <46784EE2.1050501@voxlox.com>
Message-ID: <46799EAA.3010906@msbrepairs.com>

I would suggest a plan that keeps one of the backups off site at any one 
time if the data is critical.

If you have a 'one in / one out' system running then you can simplify 
the script to mount either drive an the same mount point.


Works pretty well with usb drives !

Would love to know if anyone has got a mondo / mindy based backup 
working well with removable drives.



D. Wade wrote:
> Hi all --
>
> I'm looking for a "doofus check" from y'all on my home file-server 
> backup strategy.  I haven't seen anyone else try to approximate a 
> tape-backup strategy like this, or else I'd be contented with 
> following someone else's web advice. :)
>
> System is Ubuntu Dapper LTS, exporting shares via Samba. Share 
> directories are on /srv/share/int0, a hard disk inside the box 
> (/dev/hda2)
> Backup targets are 2 separate hard disks in removable 5-1/4" caddies:
>    /srv/share/ext0     (/dev/hdc2)
>    /srv/share/ext1     (/dev/hdd2)
> The plan is to keep the removable disks asleep to minimize heat, wear, 
> and ohcraps, and run the following scripts daily/weekly to back up the 
> shares.  The backup drives can theoretically be yanked and attached to 
> another system to get the data if something bad happens to the server.
>
> Step 1 -- set TARGET to either "ext0" or "ext1" depending on which 
> day/week it is
> Step 2 -- Backup
>    # wake up and mount the drives in the caddies
>    mount /dev/hdc2
>    mount /dev/hdd2
>    # copy shared dirs to TARGET (ext0 or ext1)
>    rsync -av /srv/share/int0/ /srv/share/$TARGET
> Step 3 -- Put external drives back to Sleep
>    # put em away
>    umount /dev/hdd2
>    umount /dev/hdc2
>    # put em to sleep
>    hdparm -Y /dev/hdd
>    hdparm -Y /dev/hdc
>
> Thoughts?  Am I missing something silly?  This struck me as "the 
> simplest thing that could possibly work."  Muchos appreciations for 
> your eyes on this.
>
> --Derek W.
From maney at two14.net  Wed Jun 20 18:02:07 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed Jun 20 17:02:16 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Kill previous command?
In-Reply-To: <20070620165017.GF5873@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org>
References: <d92b59a90706200830s1ffca809w65c37a8e47aec775@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070620165017.GF5873@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org>
Message-ID: <20070620220207.GB15423@furrr.two14.net>

On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:50:17AM -0500, David Terrell wrote:
> you shell man page should have information like this (check under 
> job control).
> 
> cmd & 
> pid=$!
> sleep 3h
> kill $pid

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.  "He use the man, he be the
man."

-- 
Anyone who calls economics the dismal science
has never been exposed to educationist theories
at any length.  An hour or two is a surfeit.

From sfaci at cs.uic.edu  Wed Jun 20 21:33:22 2007
From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci)
Date: Wed Jun 20 20:33:24 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Pam-mysql
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0706201833n67bb3ae6x285f12c49b0891c4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

   I have a cousin that's been pestering me non-stop with this, so I
think I need to actually find a solution to her issue.

She's trying to setup pam-mysql to centralize the authentication
process.  setup a DB and has all the users/password.. etc.. (the
/etc/passwd loaded in).

She's having an issue on the authentication part.  It keeps failing.
She has all the passwd loaded in the sql table as clear-text.

Does anyone know if the pam-mysql plugin accepts clear-text password.
I'm not exactly sure what cipher /etc/shadow uses or how to replicated
it.

Thanks again,

--
Samir
From dmourati at cm.math.uiuc.edu  Thu Jun 21 00:24:12 2007
From: dmourati at cm.math.uiuc.edu (Demetri Mouratis)
Date: Wed Jun 20 23:49:02 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Email Iritations
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>

Hi,

I've spent a good portion of my workweek configuring email of all things 
so please forgive this rant and lend a hand if you can.

Like many of you, my company is a Microsoft shop and I'm the "Linux 
Admin."  We run a hosted Exchange server for corporate email.  For the 
first year or so, I was getting by with OWA (Outlook Web Access) from my 
Linux box combined with my BlackBerry, a second email client.

This week, I finally got fed up with the inability to search email and 
installed Thunderbird on my Linux box.  IMAP on the Exchange server, 
check.  Right away, I loved it.  Thunderbird was so snappy and elegant. 
I had some issues getting the company address book but powered my way 
through the Active Directory integration.  Once I got that sorted I was 
very happy to have thrown off the shackles of Microsoft and felt great. 
Score: Demetri 1, Mircosoft 0.

Or so I had thought.  I realized I have a third email client, a 
company-issued Windows laptop at home, formerly running Outlook.  I need 
this guy for a Windows-only VPN client for remote access.  I thought, no 
problem, I'll just install Thunderbird under Windows, everything will be 
cool, and I'll be done with Outlook forever.  Or so I had thought.

Problem: mailbox synchonization.

My work email client has greatly improved, Thunderbird is slick and no 
more Outlook Web Access (yeah!).  However, My home email client has now 
gotten out of sync with work.  I was able to install Thunderbird but my 
mailbox looks like it did two days ago and doesn't reflect the recent 
messages at work.  My BlackBerry is still cool as far is it goes but I 
have never used it for archiving all my old messages instead using it for 
sending quick emails on the go or reading while afk.  I can't search snet 
items at work.  My home email has sent items only up until Decembe 2006 
where the import from Outlook->Thunderbird barfed.  I've now realized this 
isssue is inherent in IMAP and how it treats mailboxes versus the 
(server-side?) handling of Outlook/Exchange.  Score: Demetri 1, Microsoft 
2.

I feel as though I've started down the rabbit hole.

Does the above make sense?  Does anyone out there have a similar setup 
with a better solution?  Have I stated my requirements clearly?  Should I 
start installing a X-Windows environment on my laptop ;-)?

Thanks for listening and any pointers.
From jrstark at barntowire.com  Thu Jun 21 01:16:04 2007
From: jrstark at barntowire.com (Janine Starykowicz)
Date: Thu Jun 21 00:16:01 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Email Iritations
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <467A0994.9040709@barntowire.com>

Have you tried importing your good Thunderbird profile to your home 
laptop?  I don't know if there are Linux to Win issues, check the 
appropriate news.mozilla.org newsgroup.  You'll still need to regularly 
synch them though.  Another option is forward everything to gmail and 
download it from there.  Not sure how that works with sent mail though.

Janine

Demetri Mouratis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've spent a good portion of my workweek configuring email of all 
> things so please forgive this rant and lend a hand if you can.
>
> Like many of you, my company is a Microsoft shop and I'm the "Linux 
> Admin."  We run a hosted Exchange server for corporate email.  For the 
> first year or so, I was getting by with OWA (Outlook Web Access) from 
> my Linux box combined with my BlackBerry, a second email client.
>
> This week, I finally got fed up with the inability to search email and 
> installed Thunderbird on my Linux box.  IMAP on the Exchange server, 
> check.  Right away, I loved it.  Thunderbird was so snappy and 
> elegant. I had some issues getting the company address book but 
> powered my way through the Active Directory integration.  Once I got 
> that sorted I was very happy to have thrown off the shackles of 
> Microsoft and felt great. Score: Demetri 1, Mircosoft 0.
>
> Or so I had thought.  I realized I have a third email client, a 
> company-issued Windows laptop at home, formerly running Outlook.  I 
> need this guy for a Windows-only VPN client for remote access.  I 
> thought, no problem, I'll just install Thunderbird under Windows, 
> everything will be cool, and I'll be done with Outlook forever.  Or so 
> I had thought.
>
> Problem: mailbox synchonization.
>
> My work email client has greatly improved, Thunderbird is slick and no 
> more Outlook Web Access (yeah!).  However, My home email client has 
> now gotten out of sync with work.  I was able to install Thunderbird 
> but my mailbox looks like it did two days ago and doesn't reflect the 
> recent messages at work.  My BlackBerry is still cool as far is it 
> goes but I have never used it for archiving all my old messages 
> instead using it for sending quick emails on the go or reading while 
> afk.  I can't search snet items at work.  My home email has sent items 
> only up until Decembe 2006 where the import from Outlook->Thunderbird 
> barfed.  I've now realized this isssue is inherent in IMAP and how it 
> treats mailboxes versus the (server-side?) handling of 
> Outlook/Exchange.  Score: Demetri 1, Microsoft 2.
>
> I feel as though I've started down the rabbit hole.
>
> Does the above make sense?  Does anyone out there have a similar setup 
> with a better solution?  Have I stated my requirements clearly?  
> Should I start installing a X-Windows environment on my laptop ;-)?
>
> Thanks for listening and any pointers.

From sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net  Thu Jun 21 06:06:10 2007
From: sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug)
Date: Thu Jun 21 05:06:40 2007
Subject: [LUNI] help with SANE and HP Officejet 5610xi
Message-ID: <467A4D92.2080106@comcast.net>

Having trouble wading through documentation for SANE software.

I installed the Officejet, and can print OK.

I installed the basic SANE software, and it recognizes the scanner.

I am looking for basic scanning, using sheet feed.  KISS is fine, just 
something to sit and read every document put into the sheet feeder, 
naming them sequentially (I can rename them later and/or figure out how 
to put them into a database, or link them from a spreadsheet).

I guess I also need to set the bits per inch, color density, etc. in 
order to do this.  I am scanning handwritten sheets with notes, some 
original, some photocopies.

Long term, it would be nice to accept faxes in the same way, assuming 
that is even possible.

---------------------------------

Here is what shows from looking for the device:

carey: scanimage -L
device `hpaio:/usb/Officejet_5600_series?serial=CN6CFD51R304B2' is a 
Hewlett-Packard Officejet_5600_series all-in-one

-- 
Carey Tyler Schug

From mark at msbrepairs.com  Thu Jun 21 09:23:00 2007
From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge)
Date: Thu Jun 21 08:20:18 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Email Iritations
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <467A7BB4.4000902@msbrepairs.com>

Seeing as you can vpn, what about dumping the thunderbird profile on the 
server in a share and then using the profile manager to access that 
profile from both clients ?

You could alternatively, get a little wd passport or similar usb storage 
device and keep the profile there, so you can take it home and use it on 
the laptop.



Demetri Mouratis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've spent a good portion of my workweek configuring email of all 
> things so please forgive this rant and lend a hand if you can.
>
> Like many of you, my company is a Microsoft shop and I'm the "Linux 
> Admin."  We run a hosted Exchange server for corporate email.  For the 
> first year or so, I was getting by with OWA (Outlook Web Access) from 
> my Linux box combined with my BlackBerry, a second email client.
>
> This week, I finally got fed up with the inability to search email and 
> installed Thunderbird on my Linux box.  IMAP on the Exchange server, 
> check.  Right away, I loved it.  Thunderbird was so snappy and 
> elegant. I had some issues getting the company address book but 
> powered my way through the Active Directory integration.  Once I got 
> that sorted I was very happy to have thrown off the shackles of 
> Microsoft and felt great. Score: Demetri 1, Mircosoft 0.
>
> Or so I had thought.  I realized I have a third email client, a 
> company-issued Windows laptop at home, formerly running Outlook.  I 
> need this guy for a Windows-only VPN client for remote access.  I 
> thought, no problem, I'll just install Thunderbird under Windows, 
> everything will be cool, and I'll be done with Outlook forever.  Or so 
> I had thought.
>
> Problem: mailbox synchonization.
>
> My work email client has greatly improved, Thunderbird is slick and no 
> more Outlook Web Access (yeah!).  However, My home email client has 
> now gotten out of sync with work.  I was able to install Thunderbird 
> but my mailbox looks like it did two days ago and doesn't reflect the 
> recent messages at work.  My BlackBerry is still cool as far is it 
> goes but I have never used it for archiving all my old messages 
> instead using it for sending quick emails on the go or reading while 
> afk.  I can't search snet items at work.  My home email has sent items 
> only up until Decembe 2006 where the import from Outlook->Thunderbird 
> barfed.  I've now realized this isssue is inherent in IMAP and how it 
> treats mailboxes versus the (server-side?) handling of 
> Outlook/Exchange.  Score: Demetri 1, Microsoft 2.
>
> I feel as though I've started down the rabbit hole.
>
> Does the above make sense?  Does anyone out there have a similar setup 
> with a better solution?  Have I stated my requirements clearly?  
> Should I start installing a X-Windows environment on my laptop ;-)?
>
> Thanks for listening and any pointers.
From maney at two14.net  Thu Jun 21 09:25:49 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu Jun 21 08:25:56 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Pam-mysql
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0706201833n67bb3ae6x285f12c49b0891c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9db93b0e0706201833n67bb3ae6x285f12c49b0891c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070621132549.GD15423@furrr.two14.net>

man shadow will get you started.  Pay attention to details in the
description!

On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 08:33:22PM -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
>   I have a cousin that's been pestering me non-stop with this, so I
> think I need to actually find a solution to her issue.
> 
> She's trying to setup pam-mysql to centralize the authentication
> process.  setup a DB and has all the users/password.. etc.. (the
> /etc/passwd loaded in).
> 
> She's having an issue on the authentication part.  It keeps failing.
> She has all the passwd loaded in the sql table as clear-text.
> 
> Does anyone know if the pam-mysql plugin accepts clear-text password.
> I'm not exactly sure what cipher /etc/shadow uses or how to replicated
> it.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> --
> Samir
> -- 
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion 
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni

-- 
The dualist evades the frame problem - but only because
dualism draws the veil of mystery and obfuscation
over all the tough how-questions  -- Daniel C. Dennett

From trev at advanced-reality.com  Thu Jun 21 14:14:50 2007
From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson)
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:20:50 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Email Iritations
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <1182449691.6384.20.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>

Hi, I'm a little confused on what is happening here.  If I understand
correctly the problems are:

1. Your home Thunderbird installation is not "in-sync" with your work
and blackberry installations.
2. You can not access your old sent messages

It sounds like both of these are configuration issues NOT problems with
IMAP clients.

On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:24 -0500, Demetri Mouratis wrote:

> Or so I had thought.  I realized I have a third email client, a 
> company-issued Windows laptop at home, formerly running Outlook.  I need 
> this guy for a Windows-only VPN client for remote access.  I thought, no 
> problem, I'll just install Thunderbird under Windows, everything will be 
> cool, and I'll be done with Outlook forever.  Or so I had thought.

That should be the case with the possible exception of synchronizing
address book (there is a Thunderbird extension for that but I have not
completed testing it).

> 
> Problem: mailbox synchonization.
> 
> My work email client has greatly improved, Thunderbird is slick and no 
> more Outlook Web Access (yeah!).  However, My home email client has now 
> gotten out of sync with work.

Your configuration is likely incorrect or you have not updated with the
server.  In IMAP messages are stored on the server and a copy is stored
locally if you configure it to do this.  Once you click "Get Mail" you
should be synced up with the server for all folders you are subscribed
to.  I have several clients using this currently without problems.

> I was able to install Thunderbird but my 
> mailbox looks like it did two days ago and doesn't reflect the recent 
> messages at work.  My BlackBerry is still cool as far is it goes but I 
> have never used it for archiving all my old messages instead using it for 
> sending quick emails on the go or reading while afk.

If your Blackberry and work see the same new messages but your home
doesn't then your home config is incorrect or it has not synced with the
server.

> I can't search snet 
> items at work.  My home email has sent items only up until Decembe 2006 
> where the import from Outlook->Thunderbird barfed.

Well if the import did not finish you should solve that problem before
going on.  If your home has all the same email as your work then just
sync the folders.

> I've now realized this 
> isssue is inherent in IMAP and how it treats mailboxes versus the 
> (server-side?) handling of Outlook/Exchange.  Score: Demetri 1, Microsoft 
> 2.

NO, I'm pretty sure this is NOT the case.  I have clients that can
search all their sent mail from all email clients.  You do however need
to configure Thunderbird to put your sent mail in a Sent folder on the
IMAP server (which is NOT the default configuration).  This has to be
done on all clients and all clients must subscribe to the Sent folder on
the IMAP server.

> Thanks for listening and any pointers.

I hope what I said makes sense.  If you need specifics then contact me
off-list and I will try to help.
-- 
Trev Peterson
Advanced Reality
Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
Phone: +1 847 406 9018


From we3 at sprynet.com  Thu Jun 21 13:11:20 2007
From: we3 at sprynet.com (Walter)
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:29:39 2007
Subject: [LUNI] help with SANE and HP Officejet 5610xi
In-Reply-To: <467A4D92.2080106@comcast.net>
References: <467A4D92.2080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1182445880.4846.7.camel@tina.gear.chicago.il.us>

Have you tried Xsane? Other than receiving faxes, I've done exactly what
you describe, with XSane and a Brother MFC-3240.

scanimage should also do what you want from the command line, but I've
never used. Xsane is just too easy.

On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 05:06 -0500, Carey Tyler Schug wrote:
> Having trouble wading through documentation for SANE software.
> 
> I installed the Officejet, and can print OK.
> 
> I installed the basic SANE software, and it recognizes the scanner.
> 
> I am looking for basic scanning, using sheet feed.  KISS is fine, just 
> something to sit and read every document put into the sheet feeder, 
> naming them sequentially (I can rename them later and/or figure out how 
> to put them into a database, or link them from a spreadsheet).
> 
> I guess I also need to set the bits per inch, color density, etc. in 
> order to do this.  I am scanning handwritten sheets with notes, some 
> original, some photocopies.
> 
> Long term, it would be nice to accept faxes in the same way, assuming 
> that is even possible.
> 
> ---------------------------------
> 
> Here is what shows from looking for the device:
> 
> carey: scanimage -L
> device `hpaio:/usb/Officejet_5600_series?serial=CN6CFD51R304B2' is a 
> Hewlett-Packard Officejet_5600_series all-in-one
> 
> -- 
> Carey Tyler Schug

-- 
Walter <we3@sprynet.com>

From kgarner at kgarner.com  Thu Jun 21 15:48:26 2007
From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:48:36 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Email Iritations
In-Reply-To: <1182449691.6384.20.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>
	<1182449691.6384.20.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
Message-ID: <1182451709.1872E29@gb32.dngr.org>

I agree with Trev, if you're actually using IMAP this shouldn't be an 
issue.  Remember, in IMAP, all the mail stays on the server.

Sounds like a config isue.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1:37 pm, Trev Peterson wrote:
> Hi, I'm a little confused on what is happening here.  If I understand
> correctly the problems are:
>
> 1. Your home Thunderbird installation is not "in-sync" with your work
> and blackberry installations.
> 2. You can not access your old sent messages
>
> It sounds like both of these are configuration issues NOT problems with
> IMAP clients.
>
> On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:24 -0500, Demetri Mouratis wrote:
>
>>  Or so I had thought.  I realized I have a third email client, a
>>  company-issued Windows laptop at home, formerly running Outlook.  I 
>> need
>>  this guy for a Windows-only VPN client for remote access.  I thought, 
>> no
>>  problem, I'll just install Thunderbird under Windows, everything will 
>> be
>>  cool, and I'll be done with Outlook forever.  Or so I had thought.
>
> That should be the case with the possible exception of synchronizing
> address book (there is a Thunderbird extension for that but I have not
> completed testing it).
>
>>
>>  Problem: mailbox synchonization.
>>
>>  My work email client has greatly improved, Thunderbird is slick and no
>>  more Outlook Web Access (yeah!).  However, My home email client has 
>> now
>>  gotten out of sync with work.
>
> Your configuration is likely incorrect or you have not updated with the
> server.  In IMAP messages are stored on the server and a copy is stored
> locally if you configure it to do this.  Once you click "Get Mail" you
> should be synced up with the server for all folders you are subscribed
> to.  I have several clients using this currently without problems.
>
>>  I was able to install Thunderbird but my
>>  mailbox looks like it did two days ago and doesn't reflect the recent
>>  messages at work.  My BlackBerry is still cool as far is it goes but I
>>  have never used it for archiving all my old messages instead using it 
>> for
>>  sending quick emails on the go or reading while afk.
>
> If your Blackberry and work see the same new messages but your home
> doesn't then your home config is incorrect or it has not synced with 
> the
> server.
>
>>  I can't search snet
>>  items at work.  My home email has sent items only up until Decembe 
>> 2006
>>  where the import from Outlook->Thunderbird barfed.
>
> Well if the import did not finish you should solve that problem before
> going on.  If your home has all the same email as your work then just
> sync the folders.
>
>>  I've now realized this
>>  isssue is inherent in IMAP and how it treats mailboxes versus the
>>  (server-side?) handling of Outlook/Exchange.  Score: Demetri 1, 
>> Microsoft
>>  2.
>
> NO, I'm pretty sure this is NOT the case.  I have clients that can
> search all their sent mail from all email clients.  You do however need
> to configure Thunderbird to put your sent mail in a Sent folder on the
> IMAP server (which is NOT the default configuration).  This has to be
> done on all clients and all clients must subscribe to the Sent folder 
> on
> the IMAP server.
>
>>  Thanks for listening and any pointers.
>
> I hope what I said makes sense.  If you need specifics then contact me
> off-list and I will try to help.
> --
> Trev Peterson
> Advanced Reality
> Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
> Phone: +1 847 406 9018
>
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
--
Keith T. Garner            kgarner@kgarner.com
From sfaci at cs.uic.edu  Thu Jun 21 17:13:04 2007
From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci)
Date: Thu Jun 21 16:13:07 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Email Iritations
In-Reply-To: <1182451709.1872E29@gb32.dngr.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>
	 <1182449691.6384.20.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com>
	 <1182451709.1872E29@gb32.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0706211413x65435as757bba100add56f1@mail.gmail.com>

The easiest solution... is to create a "sent" folder under your imap
root, and config your thunderbird client to store the sent, drafts etc
in those folders instead of relying on the local mailbox

--
Samir

On 6/21/07, Keith T. Garner <kgarner@kgarner.com> wrote:
> I agree with Trev, if you're actually using IMAP this shouldn't be an
> issue.  Remember, in IMAP, all the mail stays on the server.
>
> Sounds like a config isue.
>
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1:37 pm, Trev Peterson wrote:
> > Hi, I'm a little confused on what is happening here.  If I understand
> > correctly the problems are:
> >
> > 1. Your home Thunderbird installation is not "in-sync" with your work
> > and blackberry installations.
> > 2. You can not access your old sent messages
> >
> > It sounds like both of these are configuration issues NOT problems with
> > IMAP clients.
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:24 -0500, Demetri Mouratis wrote:
> >
> >>  Or so I had thought.  I realized I have a third email client, a
> >>  company-issued Windows laptop at home, formerly running Outlook.  I
> >> need
> >>  this guy for a Windows-only VPN client for remote access.  I thought,
> >> no
> >>  problem, I'll just install Thunderbird under Windows, everything will
> >> be
> >>  cool, and I'll be done with Outlook forever.  Or so I had thought.
> >
> > That should be the case with the possible exception of synchronizing
> > address book (there is a Thunderbird extension for that but I have not
> > completed testing it).
> >
> >>
> >>  Problem: mailbox synchonization.
> >>
> >>  My work email client has greatly improved, Thunderbird is slick and no
> >>  more Outlook Web Access (yeah!).  However, My home email client has
> >> now
> >>  gotten out of sync with work.
> >
> > Your configuration is likely incorrect or you have not updated with the
> > server.  In IMAP messages are stored on the server and a copy is stored
> > locally if you configure it to do this.  Once you click "Get Mail" you
> > should be synced up with the server for all folders you are subscribed
> > to.  I have several clients using this currently without problems.
> >
> >>  I was able to install Thunderbird but my
> >>  mailbox looks like it did two days ago and doesn't reflect the recent
> >>  messages at work.  My BlackBerry is still cool as far is it goes but I
> >>  have never used it for archiving all my old messages instead using it
> >> for
> >>  sending quick emails on the go or reading while afk.
> >
> > If your Blackberry and work see the same new messages but your home
> > doesn't then your home config is incorrect or it has not synced with
> > the
> > server.
> >
> >>  I can't search snet
> >>  items at work.  My home email has sent items only up until Decembe
> >> 2006
> >>  where the import from Outlook->Thunderbird barfed.
> >
> > Well if the import did not finish you should solve that problem before
> > going on.  If your home has all the same email as your work then just
> > sync the folders.
> >
> >>  I've now realized this
> >>  isssue is inherent in IMAP and how it treats mailboxes versus the
> >>  (server-side?) handling of Outlook/Exchange.  Score: Demetri 1,
> >> Microsoft
> >>  2.
> >
> > NO, I'm pretty sure this is NOT the case.  I have clients that can
> > search all their sent mail from all email clients.  You do however need
> > to configure Thunderbird to put your sent mail in a Sent folder on the
> > IMAP server (which is NOT the default configuration).  This has to be
> > done on all clients and all clients must subscribe to the Sent folder
> > on
> > the IMAP server.
> >
> >>  Thanks for listening and any pointers.
> >
> > I hope what I said makes sense.  If you need specifics then contact me
> > off-list and I will try to help.
> > --
> > Trev Peterson
> > Advanced Reality
> > Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
> > Phone: +1 847 406 9018
> >
> >
> > --
> > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
> --
> Keith T. Garner            kgarner@kgarner.com
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
From dmourati at cm.math.uiuc.edu  Thu Jun 21 19:10:30 2007
From: dmourati at cm.math.uiuc.edu (Demetri Mouratis)
Date: Thu Jun 21 18:10:40 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Email Iritations
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0706211413x65435as757bba100add56f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202253520.19011@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu> 
	<1182451709.1872E29@gb32.dngr.org>
	<9db93b0e0706211413x65435as757bba100add56f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706211805080.18826@zaphod.math.uiuc.edu>

LUNI,

"And there was much rejoicing..."

Thanks all, for the pointers.  It turns out the folder called "Sent" was 
a local mbox style file on my Linux box and "Sent Items" was what was 
configured on the IMAP server.

The Windows Thunderbird install was a bit of a red herring as it had 
imported my mailbox from the previous install of MS Outlook.

I'm a happy camper.

I knew there were some smart folks here to prod me in the right direction.

Demetri+LUNI 3, Microsoft 2

-D
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Samir Faci wrote:

> The easiest solution... is to create a "sent" folder under your imap
> root, and config your thunderbird client to store the sent, drafts etc
> in those folders instead of relying on the local mailbox
>
> --
> Samir
>
> On 6/21/07, Keith T. Garner <kgarner@kgarner.com> wrote:
>> I agree with Trev, if you're actually using IMAP this shouldn't be an
>> issue.  Remember, in IMAP, all the mail stays on the server.
>> 
>> Sounds like a config isue.
>> 
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1:37 pm, Trev Peterson wrote:
>> > Hi, I'm a little confused on what is happening here.  If I understand
>> > correctly the problems are:
>> >
>> > 1. Your home Thunderbird installation is not "in-sync" with your work
>> > and blackberry installations.
>> > 2. You can not access your old sent messages
>> >
>> > It sounds like both of these are configuration issues NOT problems with
>> > IMAP clients.
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:24 -0500, Demetri Mouratis wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Or so I had thought.  I realized I have a third email client, a
>> >>  company-issued Windows laptop at home, formerly running Outlook.  I
>> >> need
>> >>  this guy for a Windows-only VPN client for remote access.  I thought,
>> >> no
>> >>  problem, I'll just install Thunderbird under Windows, everything will
>> >> be
>> >>  cool, and I'll be done with Outlook forever.  Or so I had thought.
>> >
>> > That should be the case with the possible exception of synchronizing
>> > address book (there is a Thunderbird extension for that but I have not
>> > completed testing it).
>> >
>> >>
>> >>  Problem: mailbox synchonization.
>> >>
>> >>  My work email client has greatly improved, Thunderbird is slick and no
>> >>  more Outlook Web Access (yeah!).  However, My home email client has
>> >> now
>> >>  gotten out of sync with work.
>> >
>> > Your configuration is likely incorrect or you have not updated with the
>> > server.  In IMAP messages are stored on the server and a copy is stored
>> > locally if you configure it to do this.  Once you click "Get Mail" you
>> > should be synced up with the server for all folders you are subscribed
>> > to.  I have several clients using this currently without problems.
>> >
>> >>  I was able to install Thunderbird but my
>> >>  mailbox looks like it did two days ago and doesn't reflect the recent
>> >>  messages at work.  My BlackBerry is still cool as far is it goes but I
>> >>  have never used it for archiving all my old messages instead using it
>> >> for
>> >>  sending quick emails on the go or reading while afk.
>> >
>> > If your Blackberry and work see the same new messages but your home
>> > doesn't then your home config is incorrect or it has not synced with
>> > the
>> > server.
>> >
>> >>  I can't search snet
>> >>  items at work.  My home email has sent items only up until Decembe
>> >> 2006
>> >>  where the import from Outlook->Thunderbird barfed.
>> >
>> > Well if the import did not finish you should solve that problem before
>> > going on.  If your home has all the same email as your work then just
>> > sync the folders.
>> >
>> >>  I've now realized this
>> >>  isssue is inherent in IMAP and how it treats mailboxes versus the
>> >>  (server-side?) handling of Outlook/Exchange.  Score: Demetri 1,
>> >> Microsoft
>> >>  2.
>> >
>> > NO, I'm pretty sure this is NOT the case.  I have clients that can
>> > search all their sent mail from all email clients.  You do however need
>> > to configure Thunderbird to put your sent mail in a Sent folder on the
>> > IMAP server (which is NOT the default configuration).  This has to be
>> > done on all clients and all clients must subscribe to the Sent folder
>> > on
>> > the IMAP server.
>> >
>> >>  Thanks for listening and any pointers.
>> >
>> > I hope what I said makes sense.  If you need specifics then contact me
>> > off-list and I will try to help.
>> > --
>> > Trev Peterson
>> > Advanced Reality
>> > Email: trev@advanced-reality.com
>> > Phone: +1 847 406 9018
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
>> > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>> --
>> Keith T. Garner            kgarner@kgarner.com
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>> 
> -- 
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion 
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
From lrochester at scooterworks.com  Thu Jun 21 18:10:49 2007
From: lrochester at scooterworks.com (luther rochester)
Date: Thu Jun 21 18:11:36 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Email Iritations
Message-ID: <467AF769.8050000@scooterworks.com>

 > I agree with Trev, if you're actually using IMAP this shouldn't be an
 > issue.  Remember, in IMAP, all the mail stays on the server.
 >
 > Sounds like a config isue.


I third this.
I use T-Bird in Windows at work, Linux at home, and OSX on my laptop, 
all with an IMAP server, and they all sync perfectly.
Being able to use the same client on all platforms is great.

-- 
./luther
From netfortius at gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 07:35:57 2007
From: netfortius at gmail.com (Stefmit)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:35:58 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Basic "find" question
Message-ID: <200706220635.57963.stefmit@gmail.com>

Can't remember how this one works ... while:

$ find . -name Dir_name -type d -print0 |xargs -0 ls

will list all files and subdirs in the directory Dir_name, for all places 
where a Dir_name is found under ".", would replacing 'ls' with 'rm -fR' lead 
to removing all those files and subdirs, leaving the Dir_name intact, or 
else?

I am obviously interested in just removing everything found in the Dir_name, 
no matter where and how many times this is found, but I do not want to touch 
the Dir_name itself.

Thanks,
Stef
From fred at ontosys.com  Fri Jun 22 08:26:33 2007
From: fred at ontosys.com (Fred Yankowski)
Date: Fri Jun 22 07:26:35 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Re: Basic "find" question -- take 2
In-Reply-To: <200706220635.57963.stefmit@gmail.com>
References: <200706220635.57963.stefmit@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070622122633.GA12064@ontosoft.com>

On second thought, I should have suggested this:

  find .        -path '*/Dir_name/*' ! -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rm
  find . -depth -path '*/Dir_name/*'   -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rmdir

-- 
Fred Yankowski
From fred at ontosys.com  Fri Jun 22 08:20:55 2007
From: fred at ontosys.com (Fred Yankowski)
Date: Fri Jun 22 07:53:52 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Re: Basic "find" question
In-Reply-To: <200706220635.57963.stefmit@gmail.com>
References: <200706220635.57963.stefmit@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070622122055.GA12022@ontosoft.com>

On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 06:35:57AM -0500, Stefmit wrote:
> Can't remember how this one works ... while:
> 
> $ find . -name Dir_name -type d -print0 |xargs -0 ls
> 
> will list all files and subdirs in the directory Dir_name, for all places 
> where a Dir_name is found under ".", would replacing 'ls' with 'rm -fR' lead 
> to removing all those files and subdirs, leaving the Dir_name intact, or 
> else?

That would wipe out every Dir_name directory too.

I think the following does what you want:

  find . -path '*/Dir_name/*' ! -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rm
  find . -path '*/Dir_name/*'   -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rmdir

-- 
Fred Yankowski
From sushid at voxlox.com  Fri Jun 22 16:56:20 2007
From: sushid at voxlox.com (D. Wade)
Date: Sat Jun 23 06:34:19 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Critique my backup plans :)
In-Reply-To: <467C3745.9050701@3back.com>
References: <46784EE2.1050501@voxlox.com> <46799EAA.3010906@msbrepairs.com>
	<467C311E.8040808@voxlox.com> <467C3745.9050701@3back.com>
Message-ID: <467C3774.5030300@voxlox.com>

Mark Stuart Burge wrote:
 >
 > If you have a 'one in / one out' system running then you can simplify
 > the script to mount either drive an the same mount point.

Thanks, Mark... I hadn't considered using the same mount point.

Anyone else?  Any issues with the use of hdparm to make the drives sleep?

So I'm NOT being a doofus? :)

> D. Wade wrote:
>> Hi all --
>>
>> I'm looking for a "doofus check" from y'all on my home file-server 
>> backup strategy.  I haven't seen anyone else try to approximate a 
>> tape-backup strategy like this, or else I'd be contented with 
>> following someone else's web advice. :)
>>
>> System is Ubuntu Dapper LTS, exporting shares via Samba. Share 
>> directories are on /srv/share/int0, a hard disk inside the box 
>> (/dev/hda2)
>> Backup targets are 2 separate hard disks in removable 5-1/4" caddies:
>>    /srv/share/ext0     (/dev/hdc2)
>>    /srv/share/ext1     (/dev/hdd2)
>> The plan is to keep the removable disks asleep to minimize heat, 
>> wear, and ohcraps, and run the following scripts daily/weekly to back 
>> up the shares.  The backup drives can theoretically be yanked and 
>> attached to 
>> another system to get the data if something bad happens to the server.
>>
>> Step 1 -- set TARGET to either "ext0" or "ext1" depending on which 
>> day/week it is
>> Step 2 -- Backup
>>    # wake up and mount the drives in the caddies
>>    mount /dev/hdc2
>>    mount /dev/hdd2
>>    # copy shared dirs to TARGET (ext0 or ext1)
>>    rsync -av /srv/share/int0/ /srv/share/$TARGET
>> Step 3 -- Put external drives back to Sleep
>>    # put em away
>>    umount /dev/hdd2
>>    umount /dev/hdc2
>>    # put em to sleep
>>    hdparm -Y /dev/hdd
>>    hdparm -Y /dev/hdc
>>
>> Thoughts?  Am I missing something silly?  This struck me as "the 
>> simplest thing that could possibly work."  Muchos appreciations for 
>> your eyes on this.
>>
>> --Derek W.
From luni at pyewacket.org  Sun Jun 24 11:06:37 2007
From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Sun Jun 24 12:06:46 2007
Subject: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
Message-ID: <20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

Don't ask me why, I just wanted to see how well it works, but I am
trying to run IE 6 on Kubuntu Feisty Fawn.

I don't want to run it under my user account, so I created a new user
named "windows" that I hope will sandbox the legendary IE insecurity. 
The problem I am having is getting X to share it's display.  I su to the
windows user from an XTerm and when I launch it, I get:

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

I have set the DISPLAY variable in the windows session to :0.0, but the
only way I can get it to work is to completely turn off access control
using "xhost +" from my user logon.
If I try "xhost +localhost" or xhost +path" (the hostname of the box) it
won't work.

Any suggestions?

- Mike Scott


From sfaci at cs.uic.edu  Sun Jun 24 13:48:53 2007
From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci)
Date: Sun Jun 24 12:48:56 2007
Subject: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0706241048o1d60e02bmf4c6f048df558475@mail.gmail.com>

did you try the command sux  instead of su

sux does what su does but automatically does all the x crap you need.

-- 
Samir



On 6/24/07, Mike Scott <luni@pyewacket.org> wrote:
> Don't ask me why, I just wanted to see how well it works, but I am
> trying to run IE 6 on Kubuntu Feisty Fawn.
>
> I don't want to run it under my user account, so I created a new user
> named "windows" that I hope will sandbox the legendary IE insecurity.
> The problem I am having is getting X to share it's display.  I su to the
> windows user from an XTerm and when I launch it, I get:
>
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified
>
> I have set the DISPLAY variable in the windows session to :0.0, but the
> only way I can get it to work is to completely turn off access control
> using "xhost +" from my user logon.
> If I try "xhost +localhost" or xhost +path" (the hostname of the box) it
> won't work.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> - Mike Scott
>
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
From ohrock at gmail.com  Sun Jun 24 13:58:47 2007
From: ohrock at gmail.com (Roberto Serrano)
Date: Sun Jun 24 12:58:50 2007
Subject: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <3d76512f0706241058q2fee27c8pa97b45aaed54198@mail.gmail.com>

You will save yourself a good deal of trouble if you just use their script:

http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

Roberto

On 6/24/07, Mike Scott <luni@pyewacket.org> wrote:
>
> Don't ask me why, I just wanted to see how well it works, but I am
> trying to run IE 6 on Kubuntu Feisty Fawn.
>
> I don't want to run it under my user account, so I created a new user
> named "windows" that I hope will sandbox the legendary IE insecurity.
> The problem I am having is getting X to share it's display.  I su to the
> windows user from an XTerm and when I launch it, I get:
>
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified
>
> I have set the DISPLAY variable in the windows session to :0.0, but the
> only way I can get it to work is to completely turn off access control
> using "xhost +" from my user logon.
> If I try "xhost +localhost" or xhost +path" (the hostname of the box) it
> won't work.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> - Mike Scott
>
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
From luni at pyewacket.org  Sun Jun 24 12:11:30 2007
From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Sun Jun 24 13:11:37 2007
Subject: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
Message-ID: <20070624111129.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.69dbe376bb.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

That's what I used, but it wants to install in my $home directory.
I would prefer to keep it isolated in a separate user account (windows)

- Mike Scott


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
> From: "Roberto Serrano" <ohrock@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, June 24, 2007 12:58 pm
> To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion"
> <luni@luni.org>
> 
> You will save yourself a good deal of trouble if you just use their
> script:
> 
> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
> 
> Roberto
> 
> On 6/24/07, Mike Scott <luni@pyewacket.org> wrote:
> >
> > Don't ask me why, I just wanted to see how well it works, but I am
> > trying to run IE 6 on Kubuntu Feisty Fawn.
> >
> > I don't want to run it under my user account, so I created a new user
> > named "windows" that I hope will sandbox the legendary IE insecurity.
> > The problem I am having is getting X to share it's display.  I su to
> the
> > windows user from an XTerm and when I launch it, I get:
> >
> > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > Xlib: No protocol specified
> >
> > I have set the DISPLAY variable in the windows session to :0.0, but the
> > only way I can get it to work is to completely turn off access control
> > using "xhost +" from my user logon.
> > If I try "xhost +localhost" or xhost +path" (the hostname of the
> box) it
> > won't work.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > - Mike Scott
> >
> >
> > --
> > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
> >
> -- 
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion 
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni

From luni at pyewacket.org  Sun Jun 24 12:14:04 2007
From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Sun Jun 24 13:14:12 2007
Subject: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
Message-ID: <20070624111404.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.863ee88503.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

Thanks, that worked.

- Mike Scott


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
> From: "Samir Faci" <sfaci@cs.uic.edu>
> Date: Sun, June 24, 2007 12:48 pm
> To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion"
> <luni@luni.org>
> 
> did you try the command sux  instead of su
> 
> sux does what su does but automatically does all the x crap you need.
> 
> -- 
> Samir
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/24/07, Mike Scott <luni@pyewacket.org> wrote:
> > Don't ask me why, I just wanted to see how well it works, but I am
> > trying to run IE 6 on Kubuntu Feisty Fawn.
> >
> > I don't want to run it under my user account, so I created a new user
> > named "windows" that I hope will sandbox the legendary IE insecurity.
> > The problem I am having is getting X to share it's display.  I su to
> the
> > windows user from an XTerm and when I launch it, I get:
> >
> > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > Xlib: No protocol specified
> >
> > I have set the DISPLAY variable in the windows session to :0.0, but the
> > only way I can get it to work is to completely turn off access control
> > using "xhost +" from my user logon.
> > If I try "xhost +localhost" or xhost +path" (the hostname of the
> box) it
> > won't work.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > - Mike Scott
> >
> >
> > --
> > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
> >
> -- 
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion 
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni

From netfortius at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 12:26:53 2007
From: netfortius at gmail.com (Stefmit)
Date: Mon Jun 25 11:26:42 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Re: Basic "find" question -- take 2
In-Reply-To: <20070622122633.GA12064@ontosoft.com>
References: <200706220635.57963.stefmit@gmail.com>
	<20070622122633.GA12064@ontosoft.com>
Message-ID: <200706251126.53238.stefmit@gmail.com>

On Friday 22 June 2007 07:26:33 Fred Yankowski wrote:
>  find . ? ? ? ?-path '*/Dir_name/*' ! -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rm

That was it - thank you!
-- Stef

From maney at two14.net  Mon Jun 25 13:38:57 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Mon Jun 25 12:39:06 2007
Subject: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <20070625173857.GA25895@furrr.two14.net>

On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 10:06:37AM -0700, Mike Scott wrote:
> I have set the DISPLAY variable in the windows session to :0.0, but the
> only way I can get it to work is to completely turn off access control
> using "xhost +" from my user logon.
> If I try "xhost +localhost" or xhost +path" (the hostname of the box) it
> won't work.
> 
> Any suggestions?

Yeah, sux got it running, but it does the same thing as xhost + w.r.t.
opening access from the su'd process to your X server.  So if you're
worried about the possibility of something that attacks IE that then
abuses that access, you might want to run the IE-using account only in
its own X context.  This isn't really so hard, but it's not a common
trick.

1) login to a console (text screen) as the sandbox user
2) startx -- :1
3) enjoy running the sandbox in its own X server

Drawbacks are that, of course, the sandbox is in its own separate
screen rather than a window on your normal desktop; at least on the
older ATI video I just tested it on the second screen doesn't get the
benefit of acceleration (I think this is usually the case unless you
run a second video card for the separate X servers); and it still does
get direct access to the video chipset through the X driver, of course,
so it can mess that up, but that's no more than a DOS...

Probably not worth the effort if your dislike of xhost + wasn't just
that it's well worth avoiding in an untrusted environment (then again,
I don't know where you're trying to do this; maybe that is a serious
concern).  But sometimes this is just the trick you want.

-- 
That is the real business of communication - finding out stuff.
And it certainly can happen in reading too, but there is this difference:
in communication that's all that happens;
in reading it is the barest beginning.  -- Richard Mitchell

From sfaci at cs.uic.edu  Mon Jun 25 14:22:01 2007
From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci)
Date: Mon Jun 25 13:22:09 2007
Subject: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20070625173857.GA25895@furrr.two14.net>
References: <20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
	<20070625173857.GA25895@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0706251122vb5bd587w33ee2fd5bd4dce4d@mail.gmail.com>

what about just doing a:

ssh -X ieuser@localhost     # or -Y I've had better luck with -Y
though I'm not too sure of the difference.
$ieuser>  wine iexplorere.exe

Assuming you have xforwarding enabled for ssh.

you can run in a completely different X sessions, but that's somewhat
of a nuisance to use.
If you're gonna go that far, why not just run vncserver as that user,
and just access the X11 session you need through vnc.

ie. Desktop :4 == vnc
Desktop 1-3 do whatever you usually do.

--
Samir






On 6/25/07, Martin Maney <maney@two14.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 10:06:37AM -0700, Mike Scott wrote:
> > I have set the DISPLAY variable in the windows session to :0.0, but the
> > only way I can get it to work is to completely turn off access control
> > using "xhost +" from my user logon.
> > If I try "xhost +localhost" or xhost +path" (the hostname of the box) it
> > won't work.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
>
> Yeah, sux got it running, but it does the same thing as xhost + w.r.t.
> opening access from the su'd process to your X server.  So if you're
> worried about the possibility of something that attacks IE that then
> abuses that access, you might want to run the IE-using account only in
> its own X context.  This isn't really so hard, but it's not a common
> trick.
>
> 1) login to a console (text screen) as the sandbox user
> 2) startx -- :1
> 3) enjoy running the sandbox in its own X server
>
> Drawbacks are that, of course, the sandbox is in its own separate
> screen rather than a window on your normal desktop; at least on the
> older ATI video I just tested it on the second screen doesn't get the
> benefit of acceleration (I think this is usually the case unless you
> run a second video card for the separate X servers); and it still does
> get direct access to the video chipset through the X driver, of course,
> so it can mess that up, but that's no more than a DOS...
>
> Probably not worth the effort if your dislike of xhost + wasn't just
> that it's well worth avoiding in an untrusted environment (then again,
> I don't know where you're trying to do this; maybe that is a serious
> concern).  But sometimes this is just the trick you want.
>
> --
> That is the real business of communication - finding out stuff.
> And it certainly can happen in reading too, but there is this difference:
> in communication that's all that happens;
> in reading it is the barest beginning.  -- Richard Mitchell
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
From kgarner at kgarner.com  Mon Jun 25 15:33:58 2007
From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner)
Date: Mon Jun 25 13:34:58 2007
Subject: [LUNI] MSIE 6 on Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0706251122vb5bd587w33ee2fd5bd4dce4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<20070624100637.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.19873704f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
	<9db93b0e0706251122vb5bd587w33ee2fd5bd4dce4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1182796445.1EB5ED66@fb7.dngr.org>

Or just learning to use xauth which is much better than xhost.?

In either case, as Martin said, once you give any x client the ability 
to talk to the xserver, all sorts of shinanigans can go on via the x 
server.  Isolated account or not.

Keith

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 1:26 pm, Samir Faci wrote:
> what about just doing a:
>
> ssh -X ieuser@localhost     # or -Y I've had better luck with -Y
> though I'm not too sure of the difference.
> $ieuser>  wine iexplorere.exe
>
> Assuming you have xforwarding enabled for ssh.
>
> you can run in a completely different X sessions, but that's somewhat
> of a nuisance to use.
> If you're gonna go that far, why not just run vncserver as that user,
> and just access the X11 session you need through vnc.
>
> ie. Desktop :4 == vnc
> Desktop 1-3 do whatever you usually do.
>
> --
> Samir
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/25/07, Martin Maney <maney@two14.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 10:06:37AM -0700, Mike Scott wrote:
>>>  I have set the DISPLAY variable in the windows session to :0.0, but 
>>> the
>>>  only way I can get it to work is to completely turn off access control
>>>  using "xhost +" from my user logon.
>>>  If I try "xhost +localhost" or xhost +path" (the hostname of the 
>>> box) it
>>>  won't work.
>>>
>>>  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Yeah, sux got it running, but it does the same thing as xhost + w.r.t.
>> opening access from the su'd process to your X server.  So if you're
>> worried about the possibility of something that attacks IE that then
>> abuses that access, you might want to run the IE-using account only in
>> its own X context.  This isn't really so hard, but it's not a common
>> trick.
>>
>> 1) login to a console (text screen) as the sandbox user
>> 2) startx -- :1
>> 3) enjoy running the sandbox in its own X server
>>
>> Drawbacks are that, of course, the sandbox is in its own separate
>> screen rather than a window on your normal desktop; at least on the
>> older ATI video I just tested it on the second screen doesn't get the
>> benefit of acceleration (I think this is usually the case unless you
>> run a second video card for the separate X servers); and it still does
>> get direct access to the video chipset through the X driver, of course,
>> so it can mess that up, but that's no more than a DOS...
>>
>> Probably not worth the effort if your dislike of xhost + wasn't just
>> that it's well worth avoiding in an untrusted environment (then again,
>> I don't know where you're trying to do this; maybe that is a serious
>> concern).  But sometimes this is just the trick you want.
>>
>> --
>> That is the real business of communication - finding out stuff.
>> And it certainly can happen in reading too, but there is this 
>> difference:
>> in communication that's all that happens;
>> in reading it is the barest beginning.  -- Richard Mitchell
>>
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion 
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
--
Keith T. Garner            kgarner@kgarner.com
From jcbailey at code0.net  Tue Jun 26 10:07:13 2007
From: jcbailey at code0.net (jcbailey@code0.net)
Date: Tue Jun 26 09:40:41 2007
Subject: [LUNI] Broken Pipe using growisofs from scripts
Message-ID: <37960.216.81.192.121.1182866833.squirrel@portal.code0.net>

I'm getting a pretty cryptic "broken pipe" error when running growisofs
from a script. I've tried the same thing in PHP, Python, and in Bash, but
still get the error. The odd thing is that if I run the same command from
an open shell, it runs just fine. I've also tried running the scripts as
root and still couldn't get it to work.. I haven't found anything useful
from Google... Any ideas?


Command:
growisofs -dry-run -M /dev/sr0 -R -J /DATA/DES_temp/BATCH1/*


Output:
Executing 'mkisofs -C 16,2240 -M /dev/fd/3 -R -J ***CUT OUT A BUNCH OF
FILES*** | builtin_dd of=/dev/sr0 obs=32k seek=140'
INFO:   UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings.
        Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem,
        use -input-charset to override.
Rock Ridge signatures found
mkisofs: Broken pipe. cannot fwrite 49152*1



From sjk at cupacoffee.net  Tue Jun 26 15:26:39 2007
From: sjk at cupacoffee.net (sjk)
Date: Tue Jun 26 14:37:58 2007
Subject: [LUNI] thinkpad pwmgnt issue
Message-ID: <4681686F.1000806@cupacoffee.net>

Hoping someone out there has run into this: I have an IBM T41 running
2.6.18.3 with Debian testing. While on battery, if I close the lid the
machine goes into hibernate. I can find no script which is invoking the
acpi call -- in fact it occurs even after I stop acpid.I think it's
related to the settings in /proc/acpi, but I can't see anything defining
a lid function.

This is really annoying as once the machine does into hibernate, I can't
get it to come out without rebooting or forcing suspend to disk and then
recover from that -- which hoses X.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks -- sjk


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