From mjmccune at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 1 15:28:34 2007 From: mjmccune at sbcglobal.net (Mike McCune) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:15:17 2007 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: WCLUG is meeting Thursday, October 4, 7pm at Caribou Coffee. Message-ID: <47014A62.7070109@sbcglobal.net> The next WCLUG is meeting Thursday, October 4, 7pm at Caribou Coffee, 3025 N. Clark Street. For more details go to www.wclug.org. We are trying new meeting places before we decide on a permanent home. Any suggestions are welcomed as long as they meet the following criteria: 1. Be on the North side of Chicago. 2. Have free WiFi. 3. Be open until 10-11pm. 4. Not too loud or smoky. -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From seva at sevatech.com Mon Oct 1 18:15:17 2007 From: seva at sevatech.com (Seva Epsteyn) Date: Mon Oct 1 17:15:19 2007 Subject: [LUNI] External chassis suggestion Message-ID: I have a 1U rack mountable server that has 2 internal drives, I would like to use the system to host a bunch of Xen virtual machines. My plan is to use the 2 internal drives to run a RAID1 mirror for the base operating system and connect some sort of external JBOD to the box. I happen to have an internal 3Ware 8506-4LP SATA RAID controller I bought a while ago, it's internal 4 drive (2 SATA connectors) card. I was thinking I could get an internal SATA to eSATA adapter (or something along those lines), which doesn't seem to be a problem to find. What has been difficult to locate is the chassis for eSATA JBOD. Would prefer a 4-disk 1U chassis, but anything else is OK as well. Do you guys have any reasonably priced (for personal use) suggestions? Thanks, -Seva From sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net Mon Oct 1 19:27:01 2007 From: sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug) Date: Mon Oct 1 18:27:29 2007 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 10/2/07 In-Reply-To: <579023.97039.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <579023.97039.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47018245.20100@comcast.net> Please ignore this email if there is not topic or speaker. If there is, it is missing from the web page. Mike Swier wrote: > Hi, > > NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on Tuesday 10/2/07. > > > For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/httpd/html/meetings.html#nextmtg > > mikie > > > -- Carey Tyler Schug From sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net Mon Oct 1 19:45:36 2007 From: sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug) Date: Mon Oct 1 18:45:43 2007 Subject: My apologies Re: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 10/2/07 In-Reply-To: <47018245.20100@comcast.net> References: <579023.97039.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47018245.20100@comcast.net> Message-ID: <470186A0.2030901@comcast.net> I thought I was sending my reply to Mike only. -- Carey Tyler Schug From me at heyjay.com Tue Oct 2 20:04:56 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue Oct 2 19:05:04 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] Message-ID: Hi, sort of along those lines, I have 8-10 ATA drives (all 7200 rpm, and ~ 100 gig), is there any kind of external enclosure that I could get so I could build a big storage device? Could I make a SATA cabinet out of these by using SATA adapters? Any suggestions how to make use of these ATA drives would be most welcomed. Thanks Jay From mark at msbrepairs.com Tue Oct 2 22:02:16 2007 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Tue Oct 2 20:57:35 2007 Subject: [LUNI] External chassis suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4702F828.9000206@msbrepairs.com> Have you tried Fries in Downers Grove ? I think I saw some there a few weeks ago. Seva Epsteyn wrote: > I have a 1U rack mountable server that has 2 internal drives, I would like > to use the system to host a bunch of Xen virtual machines. My plan is to > use the 2 internal drives to run a RAID1 mirror for the base operating > system and connect some sort of external JBOD to the box. > > I happen to have an internal 3Ware 8506-4LP SATA RAID controller I bought > a while ago, it's internal 4 drive (2 SATA connectors) card. I was > thinking I could get an internal SATA to eSATA adapter (or something along > those lines), which doesn't seem to be a problem to find. What has been > difficult to locate is the chassis for eSATA JBOD. > > Would prefer a 4-disk 1U chassis, but anything else is OK as well. Do you > guys have any reasonably priced (for personal use) suggestions? > > Thanks, > > -Seva > From maney at two14.net Tue Oct 2 23:07:33 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue Oct 2 22:07:50 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071003030733.GA31281@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 07:04:56PM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > .. I have 8-10 ATA drives (all 7200 rpm, and ~ 100 gig) ... > Any suggestions how to make use of these ATA drives would be most welcomed. They'd make a modest space heater. Or you could got for the hardcore tech look - get some aluminium angle stock and build open-air stacks to hold them. Use with or without cabling depending on the desired effect. Or use polished brass stock and figured wooden bases for that retro-tech look. There are so many possibilities! Best use I've ever seen for old disk drive: the drive display "table" at Fermi's computing center. A relic of the days when drives were the size of washing machines, and had rather greater rotational inertia... -- People are too impatient. They want a three-line definition of consciousness and a five-line proof that a computational system can or cannot have consciousness. And they want it today. They don't want to have to do the hard work ... -- Aaron Sloman From maney at two14.net Tue Oct 2 23:14:10 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue Oct 2 22:14:17 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071003031410.GB31281@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 07:04:56PM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > Any suggestions how to make use of these ATA drives would be most welcomed. Oops, got carried away with follies and forgot the serious answer. I've got a 4U rack case that has a six-drive internal bay and three 5 1/4" "half height" bays. Oh and I think there's a 3 1/2" bay there, too. Norco RPC-910 I got from Newegg for a bit over $100 delivered. Pretty nicely made except for that one chassis screw I had to grind down to get it not to bind the slide-off cover plate. -- For we are pursuing an attempt at the diffusion of knowledge and the useful arts which is already proving far more effective at diffusing knowledge than all of the profit-motivated proprietary software distribution being conducted by the grandest and best funded monopoly in the history of the world. -- Eben Moglen From me at heyjay.com Tue Oct 2 23:58:52 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue Oct 2 22:58:56 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: <20071003031410.GB31281@furrr.two14.net> References: <20071003031410.GB31281@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: So I have to get a big case, and probably a motherboard to match and build a new box with a lot of drives? From ken at stox.org Tue Oct 2 23:58:51 2007 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Tue Oct 2 22:59:00 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: <20071003030733.GA31281@furrr.two14.net> References: <20071003030733.GA31281@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <1191383931.6758.88.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 22:07 -0500, Martin Maney wrote: > > They'd make a modest space heater. Or you could got for the hardcore > tech look - get some aluminium angle stock and build open-air stacks to > hold them. Use with or without cabling depending on the desired > effect. Or use polished brass stock and figured wooden bases for that > retro-tech look. There are so many possibilities! Please DON'T do that!!! It will be spewing EMI all over the place. > Best use I've ever seen for old disk drive: the drive display "table" > at Fermi's computing center. A relic of the days when drives were the > size of washing machines, and had rather greater rotational inertia... I thought so myself. In fact the 2.5" platter, on that table, is from my first laptop. From maney at two14.net Wed Oct 3 07:37:31 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Wed Oct 3 06:37:44 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: References: <20071003031410.GB31281@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20071003113731.GA31396@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 10:58:52PM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > So I have to get a big case, and probably a motherboard to match and > build a new box with a lot of drives? New motherboard? Why? Unless you have something non-ATX it would drop right into that. I've never seen, myself, external drive bays other than pricey rack cases designed to complement pricey servers. And those would have been designed for SCSI anyway... all of which was part of the motivation that led me to the Norco case to begin with. But now that you mention it, perhaps it was in the back of my mind that if they're PATA drives then by far the simplest approach would be to put them along with the motherboard and controller(s) into a single box. The SCSI bigots are absolutely right on one point: SCSI was designed to be used outside the confines of a single chassis, while ATA never was. Even eSATA seems more like an afterthought... -- Then I can figure out what the information-support needs are and build a prototype for people to respond to. This works, because people generally don't know what they need, but they can tell you with certainty when you get it wrong. -- Paul Murphy From JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG Tue Oct 2 23:26:03 2007 From: JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG (JEFF@GERHARDT.ORG) Date: Wed Oct 3 09:06:03 2007 Subject: [LUNI] \NEED PCs In-Reply-To: <20071003030733.GA31281@furrr.two14.net> References: <20071003030733.GA31281@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20071003032603.C777247F1D@k2.ibssnet.com> I have moved to McHenry county and I am about to open a combination youth drop-in facility and CTC. I am in need of PCs. As many as I can get that are Pentium 3 1gig or faster. Yours, Jeff Gerhardt From mark at msbrepairs.com Wed Oct 3 10:23:08 2007 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Wed Oct 3 09:18:25 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4703A5CC.1030807@msbrepairs.com> Sell the drives and use the cash to buy a couple of 500Gig drives, thus saving the heat, electric and noise of running those 8 Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > sort of along those lines, I have 8-10 ATA drives (all 7200 rpm, and ~ > 100 gig), is there any kind of external enclosure that I could get so > I could build a big storage device? > > Could I make a SATA cabinet out of these by using SATA adapters? > > Any suggestions how to make use of these ATA drives would be most welcomed. > > Thanks > Jay > From scott at cashnetusa.com Wed Oct 3 10:20:47 2007 From: scott at cashnetusa.com (Scott Lockwood) Date: Wed Oct 3 09:21:54 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1191421247.7413.3.camel@scott-640m> There are all kinds of different cages you can buy, but I kinda favor the idea of hooking them all to a large USB hub and mounting them to either a board, or other box you can make cheaply. That's the most cost effective, if ugly, way to do it. On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 19:04 -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > sort of along those lines, I have 8-10 ATA drives (all 7200 rpm, and ~ > 100 gig), is there any kind of external enclosure that I could get so > I could build a big storage device? > > Could I make a SATA cabinet out of these by using SATA adapters? > > Any suggestions how to make use of these ATA drives would be most welcomed. > > Thanks > Jay -- W. Scott Lockwood III Systems Administrator Cashnetusa.com Land line: 312-568-4224 Cell: 847-800-4896 Help: x4357 From achayka at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 3 11:30:07 2007 From: achayka at sbcglobal.net (Alexander S Chayka) Date: Wed Oct 3 12:30:20 2007 Subject: [LUNI] \NEED PCs In-Reply-To: <20071003032603.C777247F1D@k2.ibssnet.com> Message-ID: <986984.93599.qm@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> the freecycle lists have a good amount of computer give-aways. I'm interested in this program/facility you speak of, do you have anymore info? -Alex JEFF@gerhardt.org wrote: I have moved to McHenry county and I am about to open a combination youth drop-in facility and CTC. I am in need of PCs. As many as I can get that are Pentium 3 1gig or faster. Yours, Jeff Gerhardt -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 3 13:35:21 2007 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Wed Oct 3 12:36:20 2007 Subject: [LUNI] \NEED PCs Message-ID: <200710031736.l93HaGKV026058@null.sevatech.com> -----Original Message----- From: JEFF@gerhardt.org To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" Sent: 10/2/2007 10:26 PM Subject: [LUNI] \NEED PCs I have moved to McHenry county and I am about to open a combination youth drop-in facility and CTC. I am in need of PCs. As many as I can get that are Pentium 3 1gig or faster. Yours, Jeff Gerhardt -- Where in McHenry County are you? Do you need help setting up? I'd be happy to help. I'm up in Cary. Rob Smith +++++ Sent from a Moto Q www.motorola.com +++++ From Lweigel at comcast.net Wed Oct 3 13:26:18 2007 From: Lweigel at comcast.net (Larry Weigel) Date: Wed Oct 3 15:25:02 2007 Subject: [LUNI] \NEED PCs References: <20071003030733.GA31281@furrr.two14.net> <20071003032603.C777247F1D@k2.ibssnet.com> Message-ID: <068701c805e2$88d8da80$6400a8c0@KingfishI> I suggest contacting: swancc... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: [LUNI] \NEED PCs >I have moved to McHenry county and I am about to open a combination youth >drop-in facility and CTC. I am in need of PCs. As many as I can get that >are Pentium 3 1gig or faster. > Yours, > Jeff Gerhardt > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From mhencin at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 18:22:59 2007 From: mhencin at yahoo.com (Michael Hencin) Date: Wed Oct 3 19:23:13 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Need help/guidance building virtual appliance Message-ID: <836097.33852.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all in the list. I am looking for help/to hire someone that can help me build a virtual appliance. I am looking to package a Tomcat application we have that uses Mysql in a virtual appliance to distribute as as a turnkey demo and or solution. I have used the Tomcat virtual appliance from virtualappliances.net, and would basically like to add my war file to that appliance along with Mysql running. If anyone has experience with this I would like to hear from you. As I am fairly experienced with Tomcat. I am not a programmer and am a new linux users. I have looked at openSUSE - KIWI, http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI#Getting_KIWI and have no clue how to go about building my own virtual appliance. All help greatly appreciated! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From special.kevin at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 22:29:36 2007 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Wed Oct 3 21:29:45 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Need help/guidance building virtual appliance In-Reply-To: <836097.33852.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <836097.33852.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97b3d1fd0710031929y742bf956r8a0dd656458a8ce9@mail.gmail.com> > If anyone has experience with this I would like to > hear from you. As I am fairly experienced with Tomcat. > I am not a programmer and am a new linux users. I have > looked at openSUSE - KIWI, > http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI#Getting_KIWI > and have no clue how to go about building my own > virtual appliance. I would suggest that you check out http://www.rpath.org and build a virtual appliance based upon their tomcat appliance. They make building virtual appliances very easy and maintainable. Depending on what you are looking for you can even pay them to create your virtual appliance. -- - specialKevin - Kevin Harriss - http://www.specialkevin.com From bil at jeschke.homelinux.net Wed Oct 3 17:29:41 2007 From: bil at jeschke.homelinux.net (bil) Date: Thu Oct 4 09:16:52 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710031629.41445.bil.jeschke@gmail.com> Episode 171 of DL.TV had a nice segment on the Drobo, a NAS device that lets you mix and match drives of any size. And is fault tolerant. http://www.drobo.com/products.aspx http://dl.tv/episodes/?p=2 On Tuesday 02 October 2007 07:04:56 pm Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > sort of along those lines, I have 8-10 ATA drives (all 7200 rpm, and ~ > 100 gig), is there any kind of external enclosure that I could get so > I could build a big storage device? > > Could I make a SATA cabinet out of these by using SATA adapters? > > Any suggestions how to make use of these ATA drives would be most welcomed. > > Thanks > Jay From JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG Wed Oct 3 20:22:24 2007 From: JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG (JEFF@GERHARDT.ORG) Date: Thu Oct 4 09:17:04 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Re: \NEED PCs In-Reply-To: <200710031736.l93HaGKV026058@null.sevatech.com> References: <200710031736.l93HaGKV026058@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: <20071004002224.C831147F1F@k2.ibssnet.com> >> I have moved to McHenry county and I am about to open a combination youth >> drop-in facility and CTC. I am in need of PCs. As many as I can get >>that >> are Pentium 3 1gig or faster. > Where in McHenry County are you? Do you need help setting up? I'd be happy to help. I'm up in Cary. This new youth center is just off of rt 47 as you enter Woodstock from the south. There is a railroad track as you enter Woodstock from the south, just as you enter town. The first light you turn right and go 1/2 block. I will be in the center all day on Saturday setting up. If you want to help you are more than welcome. PLEASE let me know in advance if you are coming.... Jeff From JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG Wed Oct 3 20:29:27 2007 From: JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG (JEFF@GERHARDT.ORG) Date: Thu Oct 4 09:17:05 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Re: \NEED PCs In-Reply-To: <986984.93599.qm@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <986984.93599.qm@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071004002927.DB91847F1F@k2.ibssnet.com> > the freecycle lists have a good amount of computer give-aways. > I'm interested in this program/facility you speak of, do you have anymore >info? The main focus for the next 2.5 months is creating a youth drop in center for geek kids. Sort of a 2600 for teens. If you heard about UGLC at KACS in Chicago, it is modeled after what we created there. Some of the things we do: 1- refurb PCs 2- Build WiFi Towers 3- Build High Power Rockets 4- Build $10,000 FRC robots 5- Build Swat Bots 6- play with remote control planes 7- Play LAN games 8- Teach the Zen of Starcraft 1&2 9- MOD game consoles WE NEED ADULT VOLUNTEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In January we will try to launch an FRC team if we can find the money. From luni at pyewacket.org Thu Oct 4 10:10:57 2007 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Thu Oct 4 11:11:07 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion Message-ID: <20071004091057.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.b06bf38b04.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I already looked into this and, unfortunately, Linux isn't supported. Only Windows and Mac-OS. They do seem receptive and didn't dismiss me outright. I emailed them asking if they had plans to support it in the future and they said they would let me know. If you are even remotely considering this, please write and ask them. Maybe if they get enough emails, they will support our favorite OS. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "bil" > Date: Wed, October 03, 2007 4:29 pm > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > Episode 171 of DL.TV had a nice segment on the Drobo, a NAS device that lets > you mix and match drives of any size. And is fault tolerant. > > http://www.drobo.com/products.aspx > http://dl.tv/episodes/?p=2 > > On Tuesday 02 October 2007 07:04:56 pm Jay Strauss wrote: > > Hi, > > > > sort of along those lines, I have 8-10 ATA drives (all 7200 rpm, and ~ > > 100 gig), is there any kind of external enclosure that I could get so > > I could build a big storage device? > > > > Could I make a SATA cabinet out of these by using SATA adapters? > > > > Any suggestions how to make use of these ATA drives would be most welcomed. > > > > Thanks > > Jay > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From me at heyjay.com Thu Oct 4 19:30:45 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Thu Oct 4 18:30:54 2007 Subject: [LUNI] What to do with lots of ATA drives [was: External chassis suggestion] In-Reply-To: <200710031629.41445.bil.jeschke@gmail.com> References: <200710031629.41445.bil.jeschke@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's pretty cool. Kinda expensive. I gotta figure they'll be bringing out SATA, Network attached as opposed to USB, and more slot devices soon too. Thanks Jay On 10/3/07, bil wrote: > Episode 171 of DL.TV had a nice segment on the Drobo, a NAS device that lets > you mix and match drives of any size. And is fault tolerant. > > http://www.drobo.com/products.aspx > http://dl.tv/episodes/?p=2 > > On Tuesday 02 October 2007 07:04:56 pm Jay Strauss wrote: > > Hi, > > > > sort of along those lines, I have 8-10 ATA drives (all 7200 rpm, and ~ > > 100 gig), is there any kind of external enclosure that I could get so > > I could build a big storage device? > > > > Could I make a SATA cabinet out of these by using SATA adapters? > > > > Any suggestions how to make use of these ATA drives would be most welcomed. > > > > Thanks > > Jay > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Fri Oct 5 13:32:28 2007 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Fri Oct 5 12:32:36 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Install Fest Tomorrow! In-Reply-To: <1476.131.193.230.126.1191598703.squirrel@webmail.uic.edu> References: <804e5c70710050629q5ed1c5c2pf996cee5638c8d4f@mail.gmail.com> <804e5c70710050630j22dd459bl45f9bf0f7426f11b@mail.gmail.com> <1476.131.193.230.126.1191598703.squirrel@webmail.uic.edu> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0710051032jad910d5i4ea1768056192623@mail.gmail.com> the website has parking and directions to our location. Hope to see you all there. -- Samir ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jen Anderson Date: Oct 5, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: [UIC-LUG] Install Fest Tomorrow! To: LUG@listserv.uic.edu Hello all -- Just a reminder that tomorrow is this semester's Linux Install Fest! You can view the schedule here: "http://lug.cs.uic.edu/install/". Thank you Samir for setting up our diverse array of speakers! Lunch will be pizza from Pompei! So lug your computer to SEL 2262 and let's install some *nix. :) We will also have a variety of fund-raisers. There will be some stuffed Tux penguins up for sale or auction, maybe FreeBSD daemons, as well as some buttons with Tux sitting pretty. There is a chance the buttons will not come in on time, but they will still be available for pre-order if you're interested. We will also have an "Install A Bootable Linux on a USB" workshop, where we will go through making your own bootable Linux from USB. You may bring your own USB, or available for purchase will be 2gb USB drives. This is a fund-raiser, so we ask that you please support us. :) Also, we are asking you to please bring any unwanted, or unused PC parts. We are going to attempt to build a machine from all of the parts people have brought in and possibly auction off this newly built machine. The parts you bring in don't have to be fancy... 8 bit video cards, generic sound cards, Pentium II or III processors with motherboards. I will be bringing in some SDRAM and a soundcard, and maybe a few other things I can scrounge up. I bet we can make a nice server out of what people bring in. Please donate any unused parts, and recycle! :) If you have any questions, please visit http://lug.cs.uic.edu/install/ or email me directly. I hope to see you all there tomorrow!!! Jen From richard at rushlogistics.com Mon Oct 8 05:37:44 2007 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Mon Oct 8 06:38:08 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Ubuntu install? Message-ID: <466874.95966.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am trying to install Ubuntu on an old Dell Latitude. When the DVD finally loaded I click the install icon, The DVD has been spinning incessantly for over 10 hours now and the screen is black. Has something gone wrong? How do I let it go before I pull the plug? Thanks Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From chris at susi.net Mon Oct 8 08:26:18 2007 From: chris at susi.net (Christopher S. Susi) Date: Mon Oct 8 07:27:43 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Ubuntu install? In-Reply-To: <466874.95966.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <466874.95966.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0c6b01c809a6$73e640f0$5bb2c2d0$@net> I had the same problem on a dell laptop. Download the alternative install image and use that. It's a text-based installer and worked like a charm. > -----Original Message----- > From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of > Richard Reina > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:38 AM > To: luni@luni.org > Subject: [LUNI] Ubuntu install? > > I am trying to install Ubuntu on an old Dell Latitude. When the DVD > finally loaded I click the install icon, The DVD has been spinning > incessantly for over 10 hours now and the screen is black. Has > something gone wrong? How do I let it go before I pull the plug? > > Thanks > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. > Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your > habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- > Mahatma Gandhi > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From tprinty at mail.edisonave.net Mon Oct 8 15:53:59 2007 From: tprinty at mail.edisonave.net (tprinty) Date: Mon Oct 8 14:53:46 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Colocation Message-ID: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> Hello, Since there hasn't been any discussion on colo for a bit I thought I would drop the question. What is your preferred colocation provider? Last year the answered appeared to be Chihost or steadfast.net or or fdcservers.net. So who is favored now? From ramin-list at badapple.net Mon Oct 8 13:59:03 2007 From: ramin-list at badapple.net (Ramin K) Date: Mon Oct 8 14:59:08 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Colocation In-Reply-To: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> References: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <470A8C07.8040904@badapple.net> tprinty wrote: > Hello, > > Since there hasn't been any discussion on colo for a bit I thought I > would drop the question. What is your preferred colocation provider? > Last year the answered appeared to be Chihost or steadfast.net or or > fdcservers.net. So who is favored now? > I like VPS these days rather than colocation. Ramin From tprinty at mail.edisonave.net Mon Oct 8 16:14:33 2007 From: tprinty at mail.edisonave.net (tprinty) Date: Mon Oct 8 15:14:20 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Colocation In-Reply-To: <470A8C07.8040904@badapple.net> References: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> <470A8C07.8040904@badapple.net> Message-ID: <1191874473.18123.27.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:59 -0700, Ramin K wrote: > tprinty wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Since there hasn't been any discussion on colo for a bit I thought I > > would drop the question. What is your preferred colocation provider? > > Last year the answered appeared to be Chihost or steadfast.net or or > > fdcservers.net. So who is favored now? > > > > I like VPS these days rather than colocation. I thought about a VSP but disk/cpu/memory reqs for this little project that I am working on make a VSP a tough sell. The application is more than just a LAMP server. Thanks -Tom From kgarner at kgarner.com Mon Oct 8 16:19:05 2007 From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Mon Oct 8 15:19:03 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Colocation In-Reply-To: <1191874473.18123.27.camel@localhost> References: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> <470A8C07.8040904@badapple.net> <1191874473.18123.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <470A90B9.3090103@kgarner.com> On 10/8/07 3:14 PM, tprinty wrote: > On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:59 -0700, Ramin K wrote: >> tprinty wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Since there hasn't been any discussion on colo for a bit I thought I >>> would drop the question. What is your preferred colocation provider? >>> Last year the answered appeared to be Chihost or steadfast.net or or >>> fdcservers.net. So who is favored now? >>> >> I like VPS these days rather than colocation. > > > I thought about a VSP but disk/cpu/memory reqs for this little project > that I am working on make a VSP a tough sell. The application is more > than just a LAMP server. Hey Tom, One of the things we're doing is more leased than coloced. But they give you full root and all that sort of thing. http://www.theplanet.com/ For what I use them for, I've been more than happy with them. Keith -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From darren_young at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 14:09:24 2007 From: darren_young at yahoo.com (Darren Young) Date: Mon Oct 8 15:19:25 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Colocation Message-ID: <158487.90208.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Thought about trying fdcservers.net, went there to order at http://www.fdcservers.net/OrderNow which takes me to an invalid page on their forum. Nice. I myself am in the market for a hosting provider again, need something to run the usual LAMP stack (along with a Postgres instance). > -----Original Message----- > From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On > Behalf Of tprinty > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:54 PM > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > Subject: [LUNI] Colocation > > Hello, > > Since there hasn't been any discussion on colo for a bit I thought I > would drop the question. What is your preferred colocation provider? > Last year the answered appeared to be Chihost or steadfast.net or or > fdcservers.net. So who is favored now? > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From darren_young at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 14:11:56 2007 From: darren_young at yahoo.com (Darren Young) Date: Mon Oct 8 15:19:26 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL Message-ID: <849253.15641.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'm looking for an open source accounting pacakge that does AP/AR/GL. I've used PostgreSQL in the past which I've been considering again although I'd like to not have to support both MySQL and Postgres this time. After something web based, preferably in PHP and that uses MySQL as opposed to Postgres. Any pointers? Thanks, Darren ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From me at heyjay.com Mon Oct 8 16:40:46 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Mon Oct 8 15:40:54 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL In-Reply-To: <849253.15641.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <849253.15641.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Darren, http://www.jimohalloran.com/2004/04/22/open-source-accounting-apps/ Jay On 10/8/07, Darren Young wrote: > > I'm looking for an open source accounting pacakge that > does AP/AR/GL. I've > used PostgreSQL in the past which I've been > considering again although I'd > like to not have to support both MySQL and Postgres > this time. After > something web based, preferably in PHP and that uses > MySQL as opposed to > Postgres. Any pointers? > > Thanks, > > Darren > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From cedrickj at cavengerllc.com Mon Oct 8 17:37:59 2007 From: cedrickj at cavengerllc.com (Cedrick Johnson - NY) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:07:55 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Colocation In-Reply-To: <470A90B9.3090103@kgarner.com> References: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> <470A8C07.8040904@badapple.net> <1191874473.18123.27.camel@localhost> <470A90B9.3090103@kgarner.com> Message-ID: <470A9527.7000308@gmail.com> This looks like a good deal for what I need to do for a project... Thanks Keith! I'll check it out -c Keith T. Garner wrote: > On 10/8/07 3:14 PM, tprinty wrote: > >> On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:59 -0700, Ramin K wrote: >> >>> tprinty wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Since there hasn't been any discussion on colo for a bit I thought I >>>> would drop the question. What is your preferred colocation provider? >>>> Last year the answered appeared to be Chihost or steadfast.net or or >>>> fdcservers.net. So who is favored now? >>>> >>>> >>> I like VPS these days rather than colocation. >>> >> I thought about a VSP but disk/cpu/memory reqs for this little project >> that I am working on make a VSP a tough sell. The application is more >> than just a LAMP server. >> > > Hey Tom, > > One of the things we're doing is more leased than coloced. But they give > you full root and all that sort of thing. http://www.theplanet.com/ For > what I use them for, I've been more than happy with them. > > Keith > > From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Mon Oct 8 17:21:10 2007 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:21:12 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL In-Reply-To: <849253.15641.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <849253.15641.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0710081421l51aacf98gce91a79db4578ba7@mail.gmail.com> The best one I've seen is SQL-Ledger, it is unfortunately postgres, but then.. postgres is a better DB overall... mysql has a mild speed edge, but as far as features, and sql-standard postgres seems better. anyhoo, it's your call. -- Samir On 10/8/07, Darren Young < darren_young@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I'm looking for an open source accounting pacakge that > does AP/AR/GL. I've > used PostgreSQL in the past which I've been > considering again although I'd > like to not have to support both MySQL and Postgres > this time. After > something web based, preferably in PHP and that uses > MySQL as opposed to > Postgres. Any pointers? > > Thanks, > > Darren > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From mark at msbrepairs.com Mon Oct 8 17:49:56 2007 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:45:09 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL In-Reply-To: <849253.15641.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <849253.15641.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <470AA604.5040201@msbrepairs.com> I use Quasar Accounting. It is gpl and is a client server app. You can run the server on linux (using firebird or postgresql) and then use a linux and/or windows client. It has a complete inventory control, accounts payable, accounts receivable and xml based reporting. GL entries are via sales, purchasing, etc modules or via journal vouchers. acrual based and double entry. Go to www.linuxcanda.com to download. If you need help with installation, I can find the latest ubuntu howto, or if you are using fedora/redhat, there is an rpm. I usually end up compiling it on ubuntu. The thing I like about it over the others is the user friendly interface, which makes it easy to manage customer invoices on the fly. Darren Young wrote: > I'm looking for an open source accounting pacakge that > does AP/AR/GL. I've > used PostgreSQL in the past which I've been > considering again although I'd > like to not have to support both MySQL and Postgres > this time. After > something web based, preferably in PHP and that uses > MySQL as opposed to > Postgres. Any pointers? > > Thanks, > > Darren > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > From mark at msbrepairs.com Mon Oct 8 18:03:42 2007 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:58:58 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL In-Reply-To: <470AA604.5040201@msbrepairs.com> References: <849253.15641.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <470AA604.5040201@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <470AA93E.6090002@msbrepairs.com> Whoops, I should have read the rest of the post which mentioned your wish to use a web based system, which in that case would probably be sql-ledger. Sorry for the brainless reply ! Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > I use Quasar Accounting. > > It is gpl and is a client server app. > > You can run the server on linux (using firebird or postgresql) and > then use a linux and/or windows client. > > It has a complete inventory control, accounts payable, accounts > receivable and xml based reporting. > > GL entries are via sales, purchasing, etc modules or via journal > vouchers. > > acrual based and double entry. > > > Go to www.linuxcanda.com to download. > > If you need help with installation, I can find the latest ubuntu > howto, or if you are using fedora/redhat, there is an rpm. > > I usually end up compiling it on ubuntu. > > > The thing I like about it over the others is the user friendly > interface, which makes it easy to manage customer invoices on the fly. > > > > > > > > > Darren Young wrote: >> I'm looking for an open source accounting pacakge that >> does AP/AR/GL. I've >> used PostgreSQL in the past which I've been >> considering again although I'd >> like to not have to support both MySQL and Postgres >> this time. After >> something web based, preferably in PHP and that uses >> MySQL as opposed to >> Postgres. Any pointers? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Darren >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel >> today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 >> >> From Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu Mon Oct 8 17:59:31 2007 From: Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:14:43 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0710081421l51aacf98gce91a79db4578ba7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D756E782@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu> Yup, used that one before as well. I too actually prefer Postgres over MySQL, I just don't want 2 db policies (backups, retention, etc) for this. But, if I have to I have to... > -----Original Message----- > From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On > Behalf Of Samir Faci > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:21 PM > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL > > The best one I've seen is SQL-Ledger, it is unfortunately > postgres, but > then.. postgres is a better DB overall... > > mysql has a mild speed edge, but as far as features, and sql-standard > postgres seems better. > > anyhoo, it's your call. > > -- > Samir > > > > On 10/8/07, Darren Young < darren_young@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm looking for an open source accounting pacakge that > > does AP/AR/GL. I've > > used PostgreSQL in the past which I've been > > considering again although I'd > > like to not have to support both MySQL and Postgres > > this time. After > > something web based, preferably in PHP and that uses > > MySQL as opposed to > > Postgres. Any pointers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research > Panel today! > > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu Mon Oct 8 18:00:19 2007 From: Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:15:31 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL In-Reply-To: <470AA93E.6090002@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D756E785@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu> I'll take a look at it anyways, never know, might work better for me. > -----Original Message----- > From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Stuart Burge > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:04 PM > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Open Source AP/AR/GL > > Whoops, I should have read the rest of the post which mentioned your > wish to use a web based system, which in that case would probably be > sql-ledger. > > Sorry for the brainless reply ! > > > > > Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > > I use Quasar Accounting. > > > > It is gpl and is a client server app. > > > > You can run the server on linux (using firebird or postgresql) and > > then use a linux and/or windows client. > > > > It has a complete inventory control, accounts payable, accounts > > receivable and xml based reporting. > > > > GL entries are via sales, purchasing, etc modules or via journal > > vouchers. > > > > acrual based and double entry. > > > > > > Go to www.linuxcanda.com to download. > > > > If you need help with installation, I can find the latest ubuntu > > howto, or if you are using fedora/redhat, there is an rpm. > > > > I usually end up compiling it on ubuntu. > > > > > > The thing I like about it over the others is the user friendly > > interface, which makes it easy to manage customer invoices > on the fly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darren Young wrote: > >> I'm looking for an open source accounting pacakge that > >> does AP/AR/GL. I've > >> used PostgreSQL in the past which I've been > >> considering again although I'd > >> like to not have to support both MySQL and Postgres > >> this time. After > >> something web based, preferably in PHP and that uses > >> MySQL as opposed to > >> Postgres. Any pointers? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Darren > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > >> > >> Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > >> today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > >> > >> > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From iguy at ionsphere.org Mon Oct 8 18:13:58 2007 From: iguy at ionsphere.org (Ian Koenig) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:49:01 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Colocation In-Reply-To: <1191874473.18123.27.camel@localhost> References: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> <470A8C07.8040904@badapple.net> <1191874473.18123.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <470AABA6.6010102@ionsphere.org> I've been pretty happy with Joyent.com. tprinty wrote: > On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:59 -0700, Ramin K wrote: > >> tprinty wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Since there hasn't been any discussion on colo for a bit I thought I >>> would drop the question. What is your preferred colocation provider? >>> Last year the answered appeared to be Chihost or steadfast.net or or >>> fdcservers.net. So who is favored now? >>> >>> >> I like VPS these days rather than colocation. >> > > > I thought about a VSP but disk/cpu/memory reqs for this little project > that I am working on make a VSP a tough sell. The application is more > than just a LAMP server. > > Thanks > -Tom > > From mark at msbrepairs.com Mon Oct 8 19:41:44 2007 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Mon Oct 8 18:36:56 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Linux Dev Message-ID: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> I am wondering how easy/difficult it is to start developing and thus contributing to linux applications. Having coded z80 assembler decades ago and then Visual Basic 6, writing some mediocre, yet useful applications, I am wondering where to start. I bought one of those "learn to program in C++ for linux" books a few years ago and have been reluctant to devote any quality time to it since noticing that many people are now using stuff like 'ruby on rails' 'ajax' 'java' and C++ although standing the test of time, seems like machine code in comparison, since the book concentrates on building from scratch as opposed to working with all the libraries that are out there now. So, does anyone have any suggestions where I should devote my time. I would love to be able to open up the source code to some of my apps and find fixes, make patches, add functionality etc and finally have something to give back to the community. Do I start by looking into the libraries, to see what functions are already available to me ? or is there a standard approach to this that others have followed ? Any comments would be appreciated. Mark From achayka at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 8 20:36:50 2007 From: achayka at sbcglobal.net (Alexander S. Chayka) Date: Mon Oct 8 19:13:52 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Linux Dev References: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <008d01c80a0c$7bebdec0$9001a8c0@x> Well it all depends on what you want. Ruby is sort of a competitor with php, form what I can tell at least, so don't quote me. You would not use is to write a large applications. php, ruby and ajax are all used mainly for web and smaller scripting things. Likewise C++'s rival is Java. These are used for the bigger apps and are very similar in syntax. I'd say learn first in C++ because java automates some stuff that is useful to know and you can make some more powerful programs (vs ruby, etc.). I dont know how ruby is but the way I program in php is: look up a function for what you want to do and figure out how to work with it (after I remember the basic syntax). There's a function for just about everything, not to say coding in php is a 100% functions. You sort of do the same thing with C++ and Java but you'll use alot fewer functions form libraries (well depends what you're doing). Searching the libraries directly is probably the wrong approach. Figure out what you need the function to do and then use Man pages or google-fu. I hope that was understandable - I've had a long day. -A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stuart Burge" To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: [LUNI] Linux Dev > I am wondering how easy/difficult it is to start developing and thus > contributing to linux applications. > > Having coded z80 assembler decades ago and then Visual Basic 6, writing > some mediocre, yet useful applications, I am wondering where to start. > > I bought one of those "learn to program in C++ for linux" books a few > years ago and have been reluctant to devote any quality time to it since > noticing that many people are now using stuff like 'ruby on rails' > 'ajax' 'java' and C++ although standing the test of time, seems like > machine code in comparison, since the book concentrates on building from > scratch as opposed to working with all the libraries that are out there now. > > So, does anyone have any suggestions where I should devote my time. > > I would love to be able to open up the source code to some of my apps > and find fixes, make patches, add functionality etc and finally have > something to give back to the community. > > Do I start by looking into the libraries, to see what functions are > already available to me ? or is there a standard approach to this that > others have followed ? > > > Any comments would be appreciated. > > Mark > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From ohrock at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 20:23:16 2007 From: ohrock at gmail.com (Roberto Serrano) Date: Mon Oct 8 19:23:24 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Linux Dev In-Reply-To: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> References: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <3d76512f0710081723r3b079248x81007400ea5974c1@mail.gmail.com> If you really have the time, well.... my advice is to start by choosing one or two projects that might interest you. Sign up to the development mailing list, and read, watch and learn: Get familiar with the language the project is developed on, the underlaying platform/libraries, the project itself, the community. Then, when you feel ready start, start by helping documenting the project, make a small patch, add a function that you would like to see. Last submit your changes, and take criticizing with a grain of salt - do not forget your asbestos suit! there is a lot of fire when opinions involved egos. That is all you need to follow - good luck! Roberto On 10/8/07, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > > I am wondering how easy/difficult it is to start developing and thus > contributing to linux applications. > > Having coded z80 assembler decades ago and then Visual Basic 6, writing > some mediocre, yet useful applications, I am wondering where to start. > > I bought one of those "learn to program in C++ for linux" books a few > years ago and have been reluctant to devote any quality time to it since > noticing that many people are now using stuff like 'ruby on rails' > 'ajax' 'java' and C++ although standing the test of time, seems like > machine code in comparison, since the book concentrates on building from > scratch as opposed to working with all the libraries that are out there > now. > > So, does anyone have any suggestions where I should devote my time. > > I would love to be able to open up the source code to some of my apps > and find fixes, make patches, add functionality etc and finally have > something to give back to the community. > > Do I start by looking into the libraries, to see what functions are > already available to me ? or is there a standard approach to this that > others have followed ? > > > Any comments would be appreciated. > > Mark > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From ccf3 at mindspring.com Mon Oct 8 20:24:40 2007 From: ccf3 at mindspring.com (Clyde Forrester) Date: Mon Oct 8 19:24:54 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Linux Dev In-Reply-To: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> References: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <470ACA48.6050205@mindspring.com> Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > I am wondering how easy/difficult it is to start developing and thus > contributing to linux applications. > > Having coded z80 assembler decades ago and then Visual Basic 6, > writing some mediocre, yet useful applications, I am wondering where > to start. > > I bought one of those "learn to program in C++ for linux" books a few > years ago and have been reluctant to devote any quality time to it > since noticing that many people are now using stuff like 'ruby on > rails' 'ajax' 'java' and C++ although standing the test of time, seems > like machine code in comparison, since the book concentrates on > building from scratch as opposed to working with all the libraries > that are out there now. > > So, does anyone have any suggestions where I should devote my time. > > I would love to be able to open up the source code to some of my apps > and find fixes, make patches, add functionality etc and finally have > something to give back to the community. > > Do I start by looking into the libraries, to see what functions are > already available to me ? or is there a standard approach to this that > others have followed ? > > > Any comments would be appreciated. > > Mark > First, familiarize yourself with C. The guts of Linux are in C and assembler. That is not about to change any time soon. Java takes a while to wrap your brain around, but that's where much of the money is. At least try a few "Hello" programs so that you can jump in to it if you find the need. Perl is great. [Alright, stop the snickering.] Some people can deal with its odd style and can develop rapidly in it. Some people simply cannot fathom it. YMMV. Ruby is cleaner for some folk, and too weird for others. But Ruby on Rails is the reining king of Web Frameworks. Don't discount PHP. Python is gaining in popularity. It strikes me as somewhat inflexible. I also get the feeling that it attracts more than its fair share of zealots. For some types of applications you may need COBOL, FORTRAN, REXX, lisp, Lua, Erlang, or one of the more exotic languages. It is important to note that programming is no longer a matter of choosing a language. You also need to be familiar with a good IDE, a version control system, a database engine, a web server, and something to wrangle html. And then there's some other hard to define glue-it-all-together sorts of frameworks. And you may have to consider aspects of the operating system and windowing environment. If you do heavy number crunching there's all kinds of parallelism, clustering, and threading things to consider. Effective threading will be a mainstream issue as multiple cores become more common. Don't ignore the shift to 64-bit processors and operating systems. Don't get stuck with a language which refuses to make the jump. My own approach is to see what it takes to acquire and load each language for Microsoft Windows and/or Linux, and see what it takes to print "Hello", and to draw a circle. Some languages "just work". Others are like pulling hen's teeth. Clyde From mark at msbrepairs.com Mon Oct 8 20:36:32 2007 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Mon Oct 8 19:31:47 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Linux Dev In-Reply-To: <008d01c80a0c$7bebdec0$9001a8c0@x> References: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> <008d01c80a0c$7bebdec0$9001a8c0@x> Message-ID: <470ACD10.7090100@msbrepairs.com> Thanks Alexander Yes, it made perfect sense. Alexander S. Chayka wrote: > Well it all depends on what you want. Ruby is sort of a competitor with php, > form what I can tell at least, so don't quote me. You would not use is to > write a large applications. php, ruby and ajax are all used mainly for web > and smaller scripting things. Likewise C++'s rival is Java. These are used > for the bigger apps and are very similar in syntax. > > > > I'd say learn first in C++ because java automates some stuff that is useful > to know and you can make some more powerful programs (vs ruby, etc.). > > > > I dont know how ruby is but the way I program in php is: look up a function > for what you want to do and figure out how to work with it (after I remember > the basic syntax). There's a function for just about everything, not to say > coding in php is a 100% functions. > > > > You sort of do the same thing with C++ and Java but you'll use alot fewer > functions form libraries (well depends what you're doing). > > > > Searching the libraries directly is probably the wrong approach. Figure out > what you need the function to do and then use Man pages or google-fu. > > > > I hope that was understandable - I've had a long day. > > From skie at dragonsvalley.com Mon Oct 8 21:03:57 2007 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Mon Oct 8 20:01:14 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Colocation In-Reply-To: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> References: <1191873239.18123.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200710082003.57460.skie@dragonsvalley.com> I've been using Steadfast for colo for the last year and have been very happy with the level of service I've received. I've also been leasing a number of servers from The Planet for the last 3 or 4 years, again with a great level of service. On Monday 08 October 2007 2:53:59 pm tprinty wrote: > Hello, > > Since there hasn't been any discussion on colo for a bit I thought I > would drop the question. What is your preferred colocation provider? > Last year the answered appeared to be Chihost or steadfast.net or or > fdcservers.net. So who is favored now? From larry at garfieldtech.com Mon Oct 8 22:28:43 2007 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) Date: Mon Oct 8 21:29:16 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Linux Dev In-Reply-To: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> References: <470AC038.4070706@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <200710082128.43569.larry@garfieldtech.com> It really depends on what it is you want to do. Personally, I'm a PHP developer professionally and use Drupal (GPLed PHP CMS), and have been working on it since before my company used it. I'm a web guy, so that's where I gravitated. Your interest may lie in that direction, or may be in desktop stuff like KDE, or hard-core math stuff like what goes on inside a graphics program. The important thing when getting involved in open source development is that you should work on something that you *want* to work on. You need to want to make the software better for its own sake. I'd be bored to tears trying to work on the Linux kernel, and so would do a horribly lousy job of it. :-) As others have said, find a project that looks interesting, and more importantly has an open and welcoming community. That makes as much difference if not more than the software itself. Then start hanging around a bit, use the program ("thou art not thy user" is important for usability, but in open source if you're not using the program you won't have your own itch to scratch), and find some small way you can improve it. Then do so. Then when it gets rejected try again. :-) It's a matter of finding a niche where you feel comfortable and competent, and working outward from there. Wherever you end up, welcome to the team! On Monday 08 October 2007, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > I am wondering how easy/difficult it is to start developing and thus > contributing to linux applications. > > Having coded z80 assembler decades ago and then Visual Basic 6, writing > some mediocre, yet useful applications, I am wondering where to start. > > I bought one of those "learn to program in C++ for linux" books a few > years ago and have been reluctant to devote any quality time to it since > noticing that many people are now using stuff like 'ruby on rails' > 'ajax' 'java' and C++ although standing the test of time, seems like > machine code in comparison, since the book concentrates on building from > scratch as opposed to working with all the libraries that are out there > now. > > So, does anyone have any suggestions where I should devote my time. > > I would love to be able to open up the source code to some of my apps > and find fixes, make patches, add functionality etc and finally have > something to give back to the community. > > Do I start by looking into the libraries, to see what functions are > already available to me ? or is there a standard approach to this that > others have followed ? > > > Any comments would be appreciated. > > Mark -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson From richard at rushlogistics.com Thu Oct 11 10:03:16 2007 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:03:40 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Computer sound to Bluetooth device? Message-ID: <608155.41350.qm@web606.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, Is there a way to have my computer (Dell Laptop running Centos Linux ) play sound to my bluetooth headset instead of the speakers? Thanks Richard Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From emperorcezar at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 18:42:38 2007 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Thu Oct 11 17:42:47 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Contractual Django Developer Position Message-ID: <58a5f2220710111542t6e4d0e3ak4bca0d91def648e2@mail.gmail.com> The Institute of Design of Chicago, IL is seeking an experienced Django developer to create an in-house contact and mailing web application. The application manages the contacts for the different conferences and events at the Institute of Design. The ideal candidate has experience with at least one completed Django application, the more the better. Good communication is required as the applicant will also be involved with design of the application. Pay is negotiable. This is a contractual position. Local applicants only. Applicant must be able to attend meetings at the Institute of Design 350 N. La Salle St. Chicago, IL 60610 please contact alon@id.iit.edu and cezar@id.iit.edu if interested. -- --------------------------------------- Adam Jenkins cezar@id.iit.edu 312-595-2216 --------------------------------------- From me at heyjay.com Sat Oct 13 19:12:13 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sat Oct 13 18:12:23 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise Message-ID: Hi, I have an old IBM thinkpad that was still running fine with Ubuntu, until my 2.5 y/o kicked it off the end table (my fault for leaving it there). Now it does not boot. I makes a funny, really high pitched beep (like dog frequency range :) & click noise that seems to be coming from the center of the motherboard. Please NOTE there is NO hard drive in the unit (at this point, I've completely disassembed it looking for loose connections or unseated things). Anyone have any clues? If not I'll probably buy a used one on ebay for $150, or if I can find one for parts for less. Thanks Jay From skie at dragonsvalley.com Sat Oct 13 19:51:55 2007 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Sat Oct 13 18:48:15 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710131851.55273.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Check to make sure the fan is running properly. Could the noise also be coming from the CD/DVD drive? I can't think of any other moving parts that might make any noise. Is it coming from the speakers by any chance? On Saturday 13 October 2007 6:12:13 pm Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > I have an old IBM thinkpad that was still running fine with Ubuntu, > until my 2.5 y/o kicked it off the end table (my fault for leaving it > there). > > Now it does not boot. I makes a funny, really high pitched beep > (like dog frequency range :) & click noise that seems to be coming > from the center of the motherboard. Please NOTE there is NO hard > drive in the unit (at this point, I've completely disassembed it > looking for loose connections or unseated things). > > Anyone have any clues? > > If not I'll probably buy a used one on ebay for $150, or if I can find > one for parts for less. > > Thanks > Jay From me at heyjay.com Sun Oct 14 09:14:18 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sun Oct 14 08:14:25 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise In-Reply-To: <200710131851.55273.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200710131851.55273.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: No the fan is removed, all drives are removed. Essentially, the unit has been stripped down to a motherboard. On 10/13/07, Branko Kotur wrote: > Check to make sure the fan is running properly. Could the noise also be > coming from the CD/DVD drive? I can't think of any other moving parts that > might make any noise. Is it coming from the speakers by any chance? > From dabenesch at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 14 08:00:18 2007 From: dabenesch at sbcglobal.net (Donald Benesch) Date: Sun Oct 14 09:00:40 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <423596.27526.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If it has a speaker in it, it could be one long error beep! Click noise ??? Don Jay Strauss wrote: Hi, I have an old IBM thinkpad that was still running fine with Ubuntu, until my 2.5 y/o kicked it off the end table (my fault for leaving it there). Now it does not boot. I makes a funny, really high pitched beep (like dog frequency range :) & click noise that seems to be coming from the center of the motherboard. Please NOTE there is NO hard drive in the unit (at this point, I've completely disassembed it looking for loose connections or unseated things). Anyone have any clues? If not I'll probably buy a used one on ebay for $150, or if I can find one for parts for less. Thanks Jay -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From mscott at pyewacket.org Sun Oct 14 08:41:29 2007 From: mscott at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Sun Oct 14 09:41:36 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise Message-ID: <20071014074129.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0e657455f9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> It could be a DC-DC converter . The EL backlight uses one IIRC. Maybe one of the transformers has come loose and you're getting harmonics. That's usually high-pitched. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise > From: "Jay Strauss" > Date: Sat, October 13, 2007 6:12 pm > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > > Hi, > > I have an old IBM thinkpad that was still running fine with Ubuntu, > until my 2.5 y/o kicked it off the end table (my fault for leaving it > there). > > Now it does not boot. I makes a funny, really high pitched beep > (like dog frequency range :) & click noise that seems to be coming > from the center of the motherboard. Please NOTE there is NO hard > drive in the unit (at this point, I've completely disassembed it > looking for loose connections or unseated things). > > Anyone have any clues? > > If not I'll probably buy a used one on ebay for $150, or if I can find > one for parts for less. > > Thanks > Jay > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From me at heyjay.com Sun Oct 14 10:42:26 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sun Oct 14 09:42:30 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise In-Reply-To: <423596.27526.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <423596.27526.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The sound and click come from ONE component which is located on the motherboard. More importantly, the unit doesn't boot. On 10/14/07, Donald Benesch wrote: > If it has a speaker in it, it could be one long error beep! > Click noise ??? > Don From me at heyjay.com Sun Oct 14 18:09:22 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sun Oct 14 17:09:28 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise In-Reply-To: <20071014074129.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0e657455f9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20071014074129.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0e657455f9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Yes, but my main issue is it doesn't boot. I'm happy with noises and beeps if it would boot. On 10/14/07, Mike Scott wrote: > It could be a DC-DC converter . > The EL backlight uses one IIRC. > Maybe one of the transformers has come loose and you're getting harmonics. > That's usually high-pitched. > > - Mike Scott From luni at pyewacket.org Sun Oct 14 16:17:32 2007 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Sun Oct 14 17:17:40 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise Message-ID: <20071014151732.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.680034c0ce.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Right, but if a power inverter isn't producing the correct voltage(s) the unit might not boot. If a transformer was broken, or a trace cracked that would knock the oscillator off frequency, it could make a high-pitch whine and voltages would be missing or out of tolerance. Not that it helps much unless you can find and repair the damage. If you don't detect any physical trauma, it may be hard to isolate. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Jay Strauss" > Date: Sun, October 14, 2007 5:09 pm > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > > > Yes, but my main issue is it doesn't boot. I'm happy with noises and > beeps if it would boot. > > On 10/14/07, Mike Scott wrote: > > It could be a DC-DC converter . > > The EL backlight uses one IIRC. > > Maybe one of the transformers has come loose and you're getting harmonics. > > That's usually high-pitched. > > > > - Mike Scott > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From mark at msbrepairs.com Mon Oct 15 10:12:44 2007 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Mon Oct 15 09:07:49 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise In-Reply-To: References: <423596.27526.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4713755C.6040708@msbrepairs.com> Can you describe the component, or attach a photo. It might help to figure out where the damage is. Likely at this stage you would have to replace the board or do a repair (soldering iron and a microscope ?) More likely, do an ebay for the same model that has a working board but perhaps a broken lcd screen, so you get it at a good price. Jay Strauss wrote: > The sound and click come from ONE component which is located on the > motherboard. More importantly, the unit doesn't boot. > > On 10/14/07, Donald Benesch wrote: > >> If it has a speaker in it, it could be one long error beep! >> Click noise ??? >> Don >> From special.kevin at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 11:21:28 2007 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Mon Oct 15 10:21:34 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Chicago GNU/Linux User Group Meeting, Saturday Oct 20th at 3pm Message-ID: <47138578.50908@gmail.com> The Chicago GNU/Linux User Group will be having a meeting on Saturday, October 20th at 3:00 pm. We will be meeting at the Institute of Design on the 6th Floor, 350 N. LaSalle, (http://tinyurl.com/34gkzt). For more information check out our website at http://www.chiglug.org or join our mailing list at https://www.chicagolug.org/lists What: Chicago GNU/Linux User Group Meeting When: Saturday, October 20th @ 3:00 pm Where: Institute of Design, 350 N. LaSalle 6th Floor (http://tinyurl.com/34gkzt) Presentations (Subject to Change) - Gluon Web Framework (Massimo Di Pierro) - Open GL (Brian Dunne) - Django (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins) From me at heyjay.com Mon Oct 15 12:27:03 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Mon Oct 15 11:27:06 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop makes a funny noise In-Reply-To: <4713755C.6040708@msbrepairs.com> References: <423596.27526.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4713755C.6040708@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: I was going to include a photo, but didn't think the list accepts attachments. I'm searching ebay everyday currently. I've found one (similar) but the auction doesnt' close until tomorrow. thanks Jay On 10/15/07, Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > Can you describe the component, or attach a photo. It might help to > figure out where the damage is. > Likely at this stage you would have to replace the board or do a repair > (soldering iron and a microscope ?) > > More likely, do an ebay for the same model that has a working board but > perhaps a broken lcd screen, so you get it at a good price. > > > > > Jay Strauss wrote: > > The sound and click come from ONE component which is located on the > > motherboard. More importantly, the unit doesn't boot. > > > > On 10/14/07, Donald Benesch wrote: > > > >> If it has a speaker in it, it could be one long error beep! > >> Click noise ??? > >> Don > >> > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From job-449966490 at craigslist.org Mon Oct 15 17:17:20 2007 From: job-449966490 at craigslist.org (job-449966490@craigslist.org) Date: Mon Oct 15 16:17:50 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin Message-ID: Hi, We are looking for a sys admin that can handle all systems side issues from basic user support to Linux and Windows servers worldwide, including LDAP and Active Directory, as well as Asterisk based VoIP system, potentially some networking as well. It's going to be about 50/50 Windows/Linux. Please mention you saw the job posting on a LUNI mailing list and don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions about the position, but make sure to reply to me and not the mailing list. Ideal candidate would be self-motivated and can work well with people (qb lbh unir crbcyr fxvyyf?) The actual posting as seen on Craigslist: Financial trading company in the Loop is looking to hire a Jr. Systems Admininstrator to help with it's growing global computer network. This position has a lot of room for advancement, great learning opportunity, as well as an opportunity to enter into the exciting and fast growing financial trading industry. Responsibilities include: 1. Basic Linux and Windows administration 2. Provisioning, installation, upgrade, and troubleshooting of existing systems 3. Documentation of new and existing systems and procedures 4. Internal desktop support Experience with Linux and Windows is required. Familiarity with RHEL or Fedora-based Linux distribution, Windows Active Directory, Xen, LDAP, Asterisk is preferred. Understanding of TCP/IP, LAN/Ethernet, WAN, thin clients, DNS, DHCP, SMTP/IMAP, LDAP is important. Experience with Bind, Zimbra/postfix, OpenLDAP, RDP/Terminal services is a plus. From draggor at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 23:30:41 2007 From: draggor at gmail.com (Draggor) Date: Mon Oct 15 22:30:44 2007 Subject: [LUNI] DLC's First Tech Talk: A Python Web Development Framework Message-ID: <357b81470710152030t424b5b1dh4beb0c91f9559a5c@mail.gmail.com> That's right, this week we're having our first tech talk, starting at 6:30pm, downtown in the CTI building, room 435a (signs will be posted). It will be given by one of our own professors, Massimo DiPierro (he's been known to post to our list now and again), so make sure to spread the word and most importantly, show up! Food and drinks will be available. ~Ross Davidson From me at heyjay.com Tue Oct 16 00:37:17 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Mon Oct 15 23:37:20 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Zoneedit mailforward does not reach comcast.net Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know about issues regarding zoneedits mail forwarding not working with comcast.net mail? I have a domain that I forward emails to my ISPs email. I recently got comcast as my ISP (and cable tv and phone), and was forwarding email to my comcast.net email account. All of a sudden today, no mail has been delivered. My comcast.net email address works, if I send directly to it. But, email sent to my domain and forwarded (via zoneedit) to my comcast.net email address has stopped. Anyone know about this? I googled and couldn't find anything conclusive. Thanks Jay From knura at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 18:52:48 2007 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Tue Oct 16 07:23:13 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Zoneedit mailforward does not reach comcast.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710161752.48244.knura@yahoo.com> On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know about issues regarding zoneedits mail forwarding not > working with comcast.net mail? Not with comcast. However, I have emails forwarded for domains hosted on zoneedit to my Yahoo! account and it works. I guess, it must be something in Comcast's setup. Have you checked with them? Alternately, you could forward the messages to a GMail or a Yahoo! account and poll your messages from there. -- Arun Khan From luni at pyewacket.org Tue Oct 16 08:10:46 2007 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Tue Oct 16 09:10:55 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Zoneedit mailforward does not reach comcast.net Message-ID: <20071016071046.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.7f81f8f54d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> It could be Comcast's SPAM filter. I had the same problem on my system and did a test send then looked at sendmail's log and saw a bunch of stuff about spamhaus. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Jay Strauss" > Date: Mon, October 15, 2007 11:37 pm > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > Hi, > Does anyone know about issues regarding zoneedits mail forwarding not > working with comcast.net mail? > I have a domain that I forward emails to my ISPs email. I recently > got comcast as my ISP (and cable tv and phone), and was forwarding > email to my comcast.net email account. All of a sudden today, no mail > has been delivered. My comcast.net email address works, if I send > directly to it. But, email sent to my domain and forwarded (via > zoneedit) to my comcast.net email address has stopped. > Anyone know about this? I googled and couldn't find anything conclusive. > Thanks > Jay > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From frag at ripco.com Tue Oct 16 10:04:05 2007 From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Tue Oct 16 09:15:49 2007 Subject: [LUNI] DLC's First Tech Talk: A Python Web Development Framework In-Reply-To: <357b81470710152030t424b5b1dh4beb0c91f9559a5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <357b81470710152030t424b5b1dh4beb0c91f9559a5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Which day, and where is this CTI building? On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Draggor wrote: > That's right, this week we're having our first tech talk, starting at > 6:30pm, downtown in the CTI building, room 435a (signs will be > posted). It will be given by one of our own professors, Massimo > DiPierro (he's been known to post to our list now and again), so make > sure to spread the word and most importantly, show up! Food and > drinks will be available. > > ~Ross Davidson From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Tue Oct 16 09:41:49 2007 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean-lynch@sean-lynch.com) Date: Tue Oct 16 09:56:58 2007 Subject: [LUNI] DLC's First Tech Talk: A Python Web Development Framework In-Reply-To: References: <357b81470710152030t424b5b1dh4beb0c91f9559a5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:04:05 -0500 (CDT) Mike Fragassi wrote: > > Which day, and where is this CTI building? > CTI is at the North East corner of Jackson and Wabash. 243 S. Wabash. From lists at redboy.cx Tue Oct 16 11:10:28 2007 From: lists at redboy.cx (sten) Date: Tue Oct 16 10:10:34 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: Somewhat off topic, but I feel like I'm seeing a lot of this - is there anyone out there that would comfortable in a position that's 50/50 'doze and Linux? Or am I the only one that thinks this is like looking for a circus clown with a PhD? Just sayin'... -sten From skie at dragonsvalley.com Tue Oct 16 11:35:25 2007 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Tue Oct 16 10:31:16 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: <200710161035.25528.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Hey, I just so happen to be a circus clown and I have a few months left until I finally get my PhD. What do you have against really smart circus clowns? :p The way I see it, it'll be difficult to find an all Linux shop, so for the time being, Linux will have to co-exist with Windows. Especially with larger businesses. Smaller businesses, like mine, have a much better chance of being Linux only. The only reason I have 1 Windows laptop is because most of my customers are Windows based and I need to know Windows to give them competant support. On Tuesday 16 October 2007 10:10:28 am sten wrote: > Somewhat off topic, but I feel like I'm seeing a lot of this - is there > anyone out there that would comfortable in a position that's 50/50 'doze > and Linux? Or am I the only one that thinks this is like looking for a > circus clown with a PhD? > > Just sayin'... > > -sten From trev at advanced-reality.com Tue Oct 16 11:30:14 2007 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Tue Oct 16 10:38:24 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: <1192548614.5192.353.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> To be honest I just get a kick out of the JUNIOR sys admin with the following skills: Windows AD Linux LDAP Xen Asterisk Server and user support Networking Basically, this junior admin is a 1 person IT dept. I laugh every time I see postings like this. Someone doesn't know what skills they need but are pretty sure they don't want to pay for it whatever it is :) Trev On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 10:10 -0500, sten wrote: > Somewhat off topic, but I feel like I'm seeing a lot of this - is there > anyone out there that would comfortable in a position that's 50/50 'doze > and Linux? Or am I the only one that thinks this is like looking for a > circus clown with a PhD? > > Just sayin'... > > -sten > -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From me at heyjay.com Tue Oct 16 11:40:58 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue Oct 16 10:41:07 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Zoneedit mailforward does not reach comcast.net In-Reply-To: <200710161752.48244.knura@yahoo.com> References: <200710161752.48244.knura@yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Not with comcast. However, I have emails forwarded for domains hosted > on zoneedit to my Yahoo! account and it works. I guess, it must be > something in Comcast's setup. Have you checked with them? > Alternately, you could forward the messages to a GMail or a Yahoo! > account and poll your messages from there. > > -- Arun Khan Likewise, as a stop gap until I get it working I'm currently forwarding to my gmail account. The only reason I wanted to use comcast is that I figured it would receive/send email faster than gmail. I've had issues with gmail in the past with it sending and receiving emails slowly. Thanks Jay From me at heyjay.com Tue Oct 16 11:42:40 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue Oct 16 10:42:48 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Zoneedit mailforward does not reach comcast.net In-Reply-To: <20071016071046.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.7f81f8f54d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20071016071046.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.7f81f8f54d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 10/16/07, Mike Scott wrote: > It could be Comcast's SPAM filter. I had the same problem on my system > and did a test send then looked at sendmail's log and saw a bunch of > stuff about spamhaus. > > - Mike Scott I wonder if it marks all email forwarded by zoneedit as spam. If so, maybe there is a spam filter enable/disable I can set. Jay From me at heyjay.com Tue Oct 16 11:43:29 2007 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue Oct 16 10:43:33 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Zoneedit mailforward does not reach comcast.net In-Reply-To: References: <200710161752.48244.knura@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 10/16/07, Jay Strauss wrote: > > Not with comcast. However, I have emails forwarded for domains hosted > > on zoneedit to my Yahoo! account and it works. I guess, it must be > > something in Comcast's setup. Have you checked with them? > > Alternately, you could forward the messages to a GMail or a Yahoo! > > account and poll your messages from there. > > > > -- Arun Khan PS I'm hesitant to call comcast, because I can't imagine I'll be able to get anyone who knows what I'm talking about Jay From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Oct 16 11:51:47 2007 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue Oct 16 11:14:27 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> When did this list become a list for recruiters to troll? Frank On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:10:28AM -0500, sten wrote: > > Somewhat off topic, but I feel like I'm seeing a lot of this - is there > anyone out there that would comfortable in a position that's 50/50 'doze > and Linux? Or am I the only one that thinks this is like looking for a > circus clown with a PhD? > > Just sayin'... > > -sten > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From trev at advanced-reality.com Tue Oct 16 12:09:40 2007 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Tue Oct 16 11:18:02 2007 Subject: [LUNI] Zoneedit mailforward does not reach comcast.net In-Reply-To: References: <20071016071046.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.7f81f8f54d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1192550980.5192.368.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Hey Jay, Many large providers use RBLs to just drop email from "bad IP addresses". The problem is SOME RBLs are not very good. Some label an address dirty and then never check again. This causes A LOT of dropped mail from legitimate sources. I'm not familiar with zonedit but it could be one of the source addresses is bad and therefore silently dropped by Comcast. To test this you can send an email from zonedit to yourself. Check the received from in the email header to find the IP address it was sent from and then check http://www.robtex.com/rbl.html. If it is listed in ANY of the listings this MAY be your problem. HTH, Trev On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 10:42 -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > On 10/16/07, Mike Scott wrote: > > It could be Comcast's SPAM filter. I had the same problem on my system > > and did a test send then looked at sendmail's log and saw a bunch of > > stuff about spamhaus. > > > > - Mike Scott > > I wonder if it marks all email forwarded by zoneedit as spam. If so, > maybe there is a spam filter enable/disable I can set. > > Jay -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From maney at two14.net Tue Oct 16 12:24:39 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue Oct 16 11:24:46 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:51:47AM -0500, Frank Pittel wrote: > > When did this list become a list for recruiters to troll? It hasn't. It has long been accepted to post about job openings for work with Linux... even silly ones like this (I have to agree with the underpaid one-man IT department capsule summary, but still...) -- I will unshutter my eyes and go back to the scene. I will open my heart to a blank page and interview the witnesses. John M. Ford From special.kevin at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 12:32:55 2007 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Tue Oct 16 11:33:03 2007 Subject: [LUNI] DLC's First Tech Talk: A Python Web Development Framework In-Reply-To: <357b81470710152030t424b5b1dh4beb0c91f9559a5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <357b81470710152030t424b5b1dh4beb0c91f9559a5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4714E7B7.1070808@gmail.com> Draggor wrote: > That's right, this week we're having our first tech talk, starting at > 6:30pm, downtown in the CTI building, room 435a (signs will be > posted). It will be given by one of our own professors, Massimo > DiPierro (he's been known to post to our list now and again), so make > sure to spread the word and most importantly, show up! Food and > drinks will be available. > > ~Ross Davidson > What day is your tech talk? Kevin Harriss From draggor at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 15:13:40 2007 From: draggor at gmail.com (Draggor) Date: Tue Oct 16 14:13:48 2007 Subject: [LUNI] DLC's First Tech Talk: Updated Info! Message-ID: <357b81470710161213xe756955gce3397d7f6f80cfe@mail.gmail.com> Two things, first, the room is 436a, not 435a. I repeat, the room is 436a. Secondly, the tech talk is for Thursday, October 18, at 6:30pm. ~Ross Davidson, DLC President From job-449966490 at craigslist.org Tue Oct 16 15:02:50 2007 From: job-449966490 at craigslist.org (job-449966490@craigslist.org) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:05:01 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <1192548614.5192.353.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <1192548614.5192.353.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Message-ID: Trev, I understand your confusion as you may have failed to notice "Familiarity with" before the list and "preferred" directly after it. Notice that the only actual requirement is "experience with Linux and Windows." You are, however, closer on the size of the IT dept, as it's only a few people right now, and we are certainly looking for people who are interested in smaller firms. To clarify, "Jr" here means that the person would be helping "Sr" sys admins currently doing some of the items in that list and this would be a great way to learn more about the technologies mentioned. It really matter more that the person is competent than the specific skills they currently poses. Regarding the 50/50 issues Sten mentioned, we are primarily Linux-based. However, as Jr Admin would be potentially working closer to users, where Windows tends to pop up more often, they would probably see closer to 50/50. Cheers, -job-449966490 On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Trev Peterson wrote: > To be honest I just get a kick out of the JUNIOR sys admin with the > following skills: > > Windows AD > Linux > LDAP > Xen > Asterisk > Server and user support > Networking > > Basically, this junior admin is a 1 person IT dept. I laugh every time > I see postings like this. Someone doesn't know what skills they need > but are pretty sure they don't want to pay for it whatever it is :) > > Trev > > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 10:10 -0500, sten wrote: > > Somewhat off topic, but I feel like I'm seeing a lot of this - is there > > anyone out there that would comfortable in a position that's 50/50 'doze > > and Linux? Or am I the only one that thinks this is like looking for a > > circus clown with a PhD? > > > > Just sayin'... > > > > -sten > > > From craig at codestorm.org Tue Oct 16 17:20:37 2007 From: craig at codestorm.org (Craig Van Tassle) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:20:51 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20071016162037.102082a5@codestorm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:24:39 -0500 Martin Maney wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:51:47AM -0500, Frank Pittel wrote: > > > > When did this list become a list for recruiters to troll? > > It hasn't. It has long been accepted to post about job openings for > work with Linux... even silly ones like this (I have to agree with the > underpaid one-man IT department capsule summary, but still...) > Heh, I have to agree. It sounds a lot like a couple of places I have worked. They were great for learning a lot though. Don't knock them too hard. Experience I got in disasters^w workplaces like that helped me learn a lot! - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHFSspv8bO71D0xskRAjCIAJ9Mr3pu7ZE0LYwS+Mwwep9jCU15NwCfVJAm kiZOw9TDqrft3gff3piH7S4= =ReEK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dbt at meat.net Tue Oct 16 20:49:29 2007 From: dbt at meat.net (David Terrell) Date: Tue Oct 16 19:49:30 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20071017004929.GB19408@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:24:39AM -0500, Martin Maney wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:51:47AM -0500, Frank Pittel wrote: > > > > When did this list become a list for recruiters to troll? > > It hasn't. It has long been accepted to post about job openings for > work with Linux... even silly ones like this (I have to agree with the > underpaid one-man IT department capsule summary, but still...) Is it acceptable to post with a cloaked craigslist.org email address? I do find that counter to the spirit of a "user's group". -- David Terrell dbt@meat.net ((meatspace)) http://meat.net/ From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Oct 16 22:00:00 2007 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue Oct 16 20:26:19 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <20071017004929.GB19408@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> <20071017004929.GB19408@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> Message-ID: <20071017020000.GE4042@warlock.deepthought.com> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 07:49:29PM -0500, David Terrell wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:24:39AM -0500, Martin Maney wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:51:47AM -0500, Frank Pittel wrote: > > > > > > When did this list become a list for recruiters to troll? > > > > It hasn't. It has long been accepted to post about job openings for > > work with Linux... even silly ones like this (I have to agree with the > > underpaid one-man IT department capsule summary, but still...) > > Is it acceptable to post with a cloaked craigslist.org email address? > I do find that counter to the spirit of a "user's group". That was what I objected to. I don't have a problem with the "the company I work for is looking for someone to do linux stuff", etc. From maney at two14.net Tue Oct 16 23:24:47 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue Oct 16 22:24:58 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <20071017020000.GE4042@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> <20071017004929.GB19408@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> <20071017020000.GE4042@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <20071017032447.GB21129@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:00:00PM -0500, Frank Pittel wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 07:49:29PM -0500, David Terrell wrote: > > Is it acceptable to post with a cloaked craigslist.org email address? > > I do find that counter to the spirit of a "user's group". > > That was what I objected to. I don't have a problem with the "the > company I work for is looking for someone to do linux stuff", etc. Well gosh, you could have said so and saved us all half a year's job ads' worth of messages! So how do you feel about other "cloaked" emails? Like, say, gmail? -- Threaten not the comic with your lawyers' bluster, all toothless to suppress parody and satire; for you will not amuse him, but you may inspire him. (me, inspired by http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/01/Apr/mcrhf.html) From linux at unliketea.com Wed Oct 17 11:28:04 2007 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Wed Oct 17 10:28:13 2007 Subject: [LUNI] tcpdump help Message-ID: <57177.69.17.21.59.1192634884.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> I need some help reading a tcp dump line. What is this saying? 10:31:48.954150 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 63, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], length: 432) host1.isakmp > host2.isakmp: [|isakmp] Thanks From craig at codestorm.org Wed Oct 17 11:42:06 2007 From: craig at codestorm.org (Craig Van Tassle) Date: Wed Oct 17 10:42:23 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <20071017032447.GB21129@furrr.two14.net> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> <20071017004929.GB19408@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> <20071017020000.GE4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071017032447.GB21129@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20071017104206.11604416@codestorm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:24:47 -0500 Martin Maney wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:00:00PM -0500, Frank Pittel wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 07:49:29PM -0500, David Terrell wrote: > > > Is it acceptable to post with a cloaked craigslist.org email > > > address? I do find that counter to the spirit of a "user's group". > > > > That was what I objected to. I don't have a problem with the "the > > company I work for is looking for someone to do linux stuff", etc. > > Well gosh, you could have said so and saved us all half a year's job > ads' worth of messages! > > So how do you feel about other "cloaked" emails? Like, say, gmail? > Gmail is not cloaked, its just a free email service. The thing I have an issue with is they are using a CL cloak to hid exacly who and what they are. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHFi1Wv8bO71D0xskRAp4VAKDM4fk0pyFKYBEx7VFwG7c+PGJF9wCgit1S saZ3OZedSNw5JSFqaMPzeBg= =A9fn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From craig at codestorm.org Wed Oct 17 11:50:08 2007 From: craig at codestorm.org (Craig Van Tassle) Date: Wed Oct 17 10:50:20 2007 Subject: [LUNI] tcpdump help In-Reply-To: <57177.69.17.21.59.1192634884.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <57177.69.17.21.59.1192634884.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <20071017105008.61f4fd9d@codestorm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:28:04 -0500 (CDT) "Steve Pribyl" wrote: > I need some help reading a tcp dump line. > > What is this saying? > 10:31:48.954150 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 63, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF],> length: 432) host1.isakmp > host2.isakmp: [|isakmp] > > > Thanks Ok it's an IP packet going from host1 udp port 500 to host2 udp port 500. Its got a Time To Live of 63 hops, its 432 bits in length, Type of service is normal IP. and its the start of a conection (though udp is connectionless so that does not matter.) OH and it was seen at 10:31AM and 48seconds. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHFi8zv8bO71D0xskRAg/yAJ41tD5mxyAwmf0S5P/QsG332KvoPgCgns4b B79SnevVR1tG1wJngIp40t0= =ZOoQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux at unliketea.com Wed Oct 17 12:22:56 2007 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Wed Oct 17 11:23:03 2007 Subject: [LUNI] tcpdump help In-Reply-To: <20071017105008.61f4fd9d@codestorm.org> References: <57177.69.17.21.59.1192634884.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> <20071017105008.61f4fd9d@codestorm.org> Message-ID: <43562.69.17.21.59.1192638176.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Craig, Thanks for this info. I actually got that far almost. What I am missing is How do you know that this is UDP? What does this [|isakmp] mean? Thanks > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:28:04 -0500 (CDT) > "Steve Pribyl" wrote: > >> I need some help reading a tcp dump line. >> >> What is this saying? >> 10:31:48.954150 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 63, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF],> >> length: 432) host1.isakmp > host2.isakmp: [|isakmp] >> >> >> Thanks > > Ok it's an IP packet going from host1 udp port 500 to host2 udp port > 500. Its got a Time To Live of 63 hops, its 432 bits in length, Type of > service is normal IP. and its the start of a conection (though udp is > connectionless so that does not matter.) > > OH and it was seen at 10:31AM and 48seconds. > - -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHFi8zv8bO71D0xskRAg/yAJ41tD5mxyAwmf0S5P/QsG332KvoPgCgns4b > B79SnevVR1tG1wJngIp40t0= > =ZOoQ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > From richard at rushlogistics.com Wed Oct 17 11:03:40 2007 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Wed Oct 17 12:03:47 2007 Subject: [LUNI] dependency madness Message-ID: <26873.56313.qm@web602.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am tryiny to install bluetooth-alsa also know as btsco in order to stream audio to my bluetoothe headset. It appears to be cutting edge, atleast to the point that I can't use yum -- I am running Centos. As a result I use the cvs version run the ./bootstrap and then configure. Configure give me this error: checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0... Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0' but version of GLib is 2.4.7 configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. Can someone help me with this I don't know anything about setting variable. I do know that every glib like package is installed. Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From gug at fnal.gov Wed Oct 17 13:23:11 2007 From: gug at fnal.gov (Gerald Guglielmo) Date: Wed Oct 17 13:23:49 2007 Subject: [LUNI] dependency madness In-Reply-To: <26873.56313.qm@web602.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <26873.56313.qm@web602.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <471644FF.9010406@fnal.gov> Hi, Sounds like you have an older version of glib installed and probably other related packages. It claims you have 2.4.7 and it requires at least 2.8.0. Can you provide a list of glib related packages currently installed on your system? Also check which devel packages you have installed. The biggest problem I have with compiling packages myself that I don't keep my systems on the bleeding edge and some packages require that... Richard Reina wrote: > I am tryiny to install bluetooth-alsa also know as btsco in order to stream audio to my bluetoothe headset. It appears to be cutting edge, atleast to the point that I can't use yum -- I am running Centos. As a result I use the cvs version run the ./bootstrap and then configure. Configure give me this error: > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0... Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0' but version of GLib is 2.4.7 > > configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. > > Can someone help me with this I don't know anything about setting variable. I do know that every glib like package is installed. > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- -Jerry-> gug@fnal.gov Pepe's Theory of everything: "Under the right circumstances, things happen." From richard at rushlogistics.com Wed Oct 17 13:55:30 2007 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Wed Oct 17 14:55:48 2007 Subject: [LUNI] dependency madness In-Reply-To: <471644FF.9010406@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <654567.57800.qm@web609.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't understand why my glib packages are not update as I did a yum -y update a couple of weeks ago. Here are my installed glib packages: glib.i386 1:1.2.10-15 installed glib-devel.i386 1:1.2.10-15 installed glib2.i386 2.4.7-1 installed glib2-devel.i386 2.4.7-1 installed glibc.i686 2.3.4-2.36 installed glibc-common.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed glibc-devel.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed glibc-headers.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed glibc-kernheaders.i386 2.4-9.1.100.EL installed Gerald Guglielmo wrote: Hi, Sounds like you have an older version of glib installed and probably other related packages. It claims you have 2.4.7 and it requires at least 2.8.0. Can you provide a list of glib related packages currently installed on your system? Also check which devel packages you have installed. The biggest problem I have with compiling packages myself that I don't keep my systems on the bleeding edge and some packages require that... Richard Reina wrote: > I am tryiny to install bluetooth-alsa also know as btsco in order to stream audio to my bluetoothe headset. It appears to be cutting edge, atleast to the point that I can't use yum -- I am running Centos. As a result I use the cvs version run the ./bootstrap and then configure. Configure give me this error: > > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0... Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0' but version of GLib is 2.4.7 > > configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. > > Can someone help me with this I don't know anything about setting variable. I do know that every glib like package is installed. > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- -Jerry-> gug@fnal.gov Pepe's Theory of everything: "Under the right circumstances, things happen." -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From gug at fnal.gov Wed Oct 17 16:12:41 2007 From: gug at fnal.gov (Gerald Guglielmo) Date: Wed Oct 17 15:12:43 2007 Subject: [LUNI] dependency madness In-Reply-To: <654567.57800.qm@web609.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <654567.57800.qm@web609.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47166CB9.5040406@fnal.gov> Hi, Someone with more experience should comment as I never used Centos, but I suspect this is an OS version related problem. My experience is mainly with distributions based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. I have a 3.x version at home and was unable to build PDFEditor at home because I had older versions of various packages. I could not get new enough versions of the packages with yum as for that release I was already up to date. Manually trying to download and update packages didn't work either as it would have broken dependencies for other installed packages. If I would have upgraded to 5.x, then I suspect the problem would have gone away but I am not quite ready to do that (maybe in a few more months). Are you running the latest version of Centos? Richard Reina wrote: > I don't understand why my glib packages are not update as I did a yum -y update > a couple of weeks ago. > > Here are my installed glib packages: > > glib.i386 1:1.2.10-15 installed > glib-devel.i386 1:1.2.10-15 installed > glib2.i386 2.4.7-1 installed > glib2-devel.i386 2.4.7-1 installed > glibc.i686 2.3.4-2.36 installed > glibc-common.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed > glibc-devel.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed > glibc-headers.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed > glibc-kernheaders.i386 2.4-9.1.100.EL installed > > > Gerald Guglielmo wrote: Hi, > Sounds like you have an older version of glib installed and probably > other related packages. It claims you have 2.4.7 and it requires at > least 2.8.0. Can you provide a list of glib related packages currently > installed on your system? Also check which devel packages you have > installed. The biggest problem I have with compiling packages myself > that I don't keep my systems on the bleeding edge and some packages > require that... > > Richard Reina wrote: >> I am tryiny to install bluetooth-alsa also know as btsco in order to stream audio to my bluetoothe headset. It appears to be cutting edge, atleast to the point that I can't use yum -- I am running Centos. As a result I use the cvs version run the ./bootstrap and then configure. Configure give me this error: >> >> checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config >> checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0... Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0' but version of GLib is 2.4.7 >> >> configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. >> >> Can someone help me with this I don't know anything about setting variable. I do know that every glib like package is installed. >> >> >> Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- -Jerry-> gug@fnal.gov Pepe's Theory of everything: "Under the right circumstances, things happen." From richard at rushlogistics.com Wed Oct 17 14:35:03 2007 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Wed Oct 17 15:35:12 2007 Subject: [LUNI] dependency madness In-Reply-To: <47166CB9.5040406@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <181465.61704.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Unfortuantely not. I'm running Centos 4.3. and like you I am not ready to upgrade. Is there anything else short of an upgrade that I can do? Gerald Guglielmo wrote: Hi, Someone with more experience should comment as I never used Centos, but I suspect this is an OS version related problem. My experience is mainly with distributions based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. I have a 3.x version at home and was unable to build PDFEditor at home because I had older versions of various packages. I could not get new enough versions of the packages with yum as for that release I was already up to date. Manually trying to download and update packages didn't work either as it would have broken dependencies for other installed packages. If I would have upgraded to 5.x, then I suspect the problem would have gone away but I am not quite ready to do that (maybe in a few more months). Are you running the latest version of Centos? Richard Reina wrote: > I don't understand why my glib packages are not update as I did a yum -y update > a couple of weeks ago. > > Here are my installed glib packages: > > glib.i386 1:1.2.10-15 installed > glib-devel.i386 1:1.2.10-15 installed > glib2.i386 2.4.7-1 installed > glib2-devel.i386 2.4.7-1 installed > glibc.i686 2.3.4-2.36 installed > glibc-common.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed > glibc-devel.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed > glibc-headers.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed > glibc-kernheaders.i386 2.4-9.1.100.EL installed > > > Gerald Guglielmo wrote: Hi, > Sounds like you have an older version of glib installed and probably > other related packages. It claims you have 2.4.7 and it requires at > least 2.8.0. Can you provide a list of glib related packages currently > installed on your system? Also check which devel packages you have > installed. The biggest problem I have with compiling packages myself > that I don't keep my systems on the bleeding edge and some packages > require that... > > Richard Reina wrote: >> I am tryiny to install bluetooth-alsa also know as btsco in order to stream audio to my bluetoothe headset. It appears to be cutting edge, atleast to the point that I can't use yum -- I am running Centos. As a result I use the cvs version run the ./bootstrap and then configure. Configure give me this error: >> >> checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config >> checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0... Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0' but version of GLib is 2.4.7 >> >> configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. >> >> Can someone help me with this I don't know anything about setting variable. I do know that every glib like package is installed. >> >> >> Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- -Jerry-> gug@fnal.gov Pepe's Theory of everything: "Under the right circumstances, things happen." -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From gug at fnal.gov Wed Oct 17 16:39:14 2007 From: gug at fnal.gov (Gerald Guglielmo) Date: Wed Oct 17 15:40:55 2007 Subject: [LUNI] dependency madness In-Reply-To: <181465.61704.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <181465.61704.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <471672F2.40200@fnal.gov> Hi, I tried a few things I wouldn't recommend to anyone, and in the end they didn't work either. Maybe someone else on the list is more experienced/clever in this regard. Good luck. Richard Reina wrote: > Unfortuantely not. I'm running Centos 4.3. and like you I am not ready to upgrade. Is there anything else short of an upgrade that I can do? > > Gerald Guglielmo wrote: Hi, > Someone with more experience should comment as I never used Centos, > but I suspect this is an OS version related problem. My experience is > mainly with distributions based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. I have a > 3.x version at home and was unable to build PDFEditor at home because I > had older versions of various packages. I could not get new enough > versions of the packages with yum as for that release I was already up > to date. Manually trying to download and update packages didn't work > either as it would have broken dependencies for other installed > packages. If I would have upgraded to 5.x, then I suspect the problem > would have gone away but I am not quite ready to do that (maybe in a few > more months). Are you running the latest version of Centos? > > Richard Reina wrote: >> I don't understand why my glib packages are not update as I did a yum -y update >> a couple of weeks ago. >> >> Here are my installed glib packages: >> >> glib.i386 1:1.2.10-15 installed >> glib-devel.i386 1:1.2.10-15 installed >> glib2.i386 2.4.7-1 installed >> glib2-devel.i386 2.4.7-1 installed >> glibc.i686 2.3.4-2.36 installed >> glibc-common.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed >> glibc-devel.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed >> glibc-headers.i386 2.3.4-2.36 installed >> glibc-kernheaders.i386 2.4-9.1.100.EL installed >> >> >> Gerald Guglielmo wrote: Hi, >> Sounds like you have an older version of glib installed and probably >> other related packages. It claims you have 2.4.7 and it requires at >> least 2.8.0. Can you provide a list of glib related packages currently >> installed on your system? Also check which devel packages you have >> installed. The biggest problem I have with compiling packages myself >> that I don't keep my systems on the bleeding edge and some packages >> require that... >> >> Richard Reina wrote: >>> I am tryiny to install bluetooth-alsa also know as btsco in order to stream audio to my bluetoothe headset. It appears to be cutting edge, atleast to the point that I can't use yum -- I am running Centos. As a result I use the cvs version run the ./bootstrap and then configure. Configure give me this error: >>> >>> checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config >>> checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0... Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0' but version of GLib is 2.4.7 >>> >>> configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gthread-2.0 >= 2.8.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.8.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. >>> >>> Can someone help me with this I don't know anything about setting variable. I do know that every glib like package is installed. >>> >>> >>> Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- -Jerry-> gug@fnal.gov Pepe's Theory of everything: "Under the right circumstances, things happen." From maney at two14.net Wed Oct 17 17:13:25 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Wed Oct 17 16:13:45 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <20071017104206.11604416@codestorm.org> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> <20071017004929.GB19408@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> <20071017020000.GE4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071017032447.GB21129@furrr.two14.net> <20071017104206.11604416@codestorm.org> Message-ID: <20071017211325.GA21932@furrr.two14.net> On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:42:06AM -0500, Craig Van Tassle wrote: > Gmail is not cloaked, its just a free email service. The thing I have > an issue with is they are using a CL cloak to hid exacly who and what > they are. And if you get email from some nym @gmail.com, what exactly does that tell you about who sent it that 123456789@craigslist doesn't? Think it through. -- Anyone who calls economics the dismal science has never been exposed to educationist theories at any length. An hour or two is a surfeit. From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Wed Oct 17 17:27:53 2007 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Wed Oct 17 16:34:47 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: <20071017211325.GA21932@furrr.two14.net> References: <200710152200.l9FM02If023802@null.sevatech.com> <20071016155147.GB4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071016162439.GA20976@furrr.two14.net> <20071017004929.GB19408@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> <20071017020000.GE4042@warlock.deepthought.com> <20071017032447.GB21129@furrr.two14.net> <20071017104206.11604416@codestorm.org> <20071017211325.GA21932@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0710171427id89314cqa66b72f55047b2df@mail.gmail.com> I have no idea what either of you are talking about since I haven't followed the email thread... but how about renaming the thread to something like Flame on Emails, at least that way I would know and pay attention for entertainment value if nothing else. Now I missed all the fun. :(( -- Samir On 10/17/07, Martin Maney wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:42:06AM -0500, Craig Van Tassle wrote: > > Gmail is not cloaked, its just a free email service. The thing I have > > an issue with is they are using a CL cloak to hid exacly who and what > > they are. > > And if you get email from some nym @gmail.com, what exactly does that > tell you about who sent it that 123456789@craigslist doesn't? > > Think it through. > > -- > Anyone who calls economics the dismal science > has never been exposed to educationist theories > at any length. An hour or two is a surfeit. > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From chris at susi.net Wed Oct 17 20:29:41 2007 From: chris at susi.net (Christopher S. Susi) Date: Wed Oct 17 19:39:14 2007 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a3d01c8111d$f9a0ae00$ece20a00$@net> I'll bite. Not only do I have varying degrees of familiarity with Linux and Windows, and not only do I need a job, but I also look good in clown makeup. Please email me details off list. > -----Original Message----- > From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of > job-449966490@craigslist.org > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:17 PM > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois > Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Jr. (or Mid) Systems Admin > > Hi, > > We are looking for a sys admin that can handle all systems side issues > from basic user support to Linux and Windows servers worldwide, > including > LDAP and Active Directory, as well as Asterisk based VoIP system, > potentially some networking as well. It's going to be about 50/50 > Windows/Linux. > > Please mention you saw the job posting on a LUNI mailing list and don't > hesitate to contact me if you have any questions about the position, > but > make sure to reply to me and not the mailing list. > > Ideal candidate would be self-motivated and can work well with people > (qb > lbh unir crbcyr fxvyyf?) > > The actual posting as seen on Craigslist: > > Financial trading company in the Loop is looking to hire a Jr. Systems > Admininstrator to help with it's growing global computer network. This > position has a lot of room for advancement, great learning opportunity, > as > well a