From seva at sevatech.com Tue Apr 1 13:43:36 2008 From: seva at sevatech.com (Seva Epsteyn) Date: Tue Apr 1 12:43:37 2008 Subject: [LUNI] help with copying CDs that have errors In-Reply-To: <47F17C6D.1090503@comcast.net> References: <47F17C6D.1090503@comcast.net> Message-ID: I think you can just use dd, as insomething like dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=412 conv=noerror -Seva On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Carey Tyler Schug wrote: > A backup CD could have a lot of information on it, and be going bad over time, > so one would want to make a fresh copy of as much as possible. > > as far as I can find, gnomebaker (kubuntu) and the equivalent in ubuntu will > abort a copy at the first read failure. Is there a way to force them or > anything equivalent to do the best it can? I realize if the failure is in a > directory block, it may not be so useful, but most of the time it may just be > one file that is lost. > > If not in any of the gui packages, is there a tutorial somewhere using line > mode commands to do this? > > From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Tue Apr 1 14:24:08 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Tue Apr 1 13:24:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] help with copying CDs that have errors In-Reply-To: References: <47F17C6D.1090503@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0804011124h9edc443te0179db88dc815ce@mail.gmail.com> gnomebaker (kubuntu)? that just looks odd. try k3b, see if it behaves any better, or what seva said as well. -- Samir On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Seva Epsteyn wrote: > I think you can just use dd, as insomething like > > dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=412 conv=noerror > > -Seva > > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Carey Tyler Schug wrote: > > > A backup CD could have a lot of information on it, and be going bad over > time, > > so one would want to make a fresh copy of as much as possible. > > > > as far as I can find, gnomebaker (kubuntu) and the equivalent in ubuntu > will > > abort a copy at the first read failure. Is there a way to force them or > > anything equivalent to do the best it can? I realize if the failure is > in a > > directory block, it may not be so useful, but most of the time it may > just be > > one file that is lost. > > > > If not in any of the gui packages, is there a tutorial somewhere using > line > > mode commands to do this? > > > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From kgarner at kgarner.com Wed Apr 2 12:36:04 2008 From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Wed Apr 2 11:37:45 2008 Subject: [LUNI] JOB: Senior Systems / Network Specialist - Information Technology Systems Message-ID: <47F3B5F4.4070505@kgarner.com> I just got this from our VP of IT and asked if I could share it here. ------------------------------------------------ Job Posting below: Description: Senior Systems / Network Specialist Information Technology Systems Reports to: Ken Peters Major Duties and Responsibilities (not all inclusive): Review, recommend, install and maintain Operating System software for all server platforms. This consists of defining the computing and networking requirements that an Operating System must fulfill, reviewing current Operating Systems, recommending appropriate solutions, and maintaining installed Operating Systems by periodically reviewing and installing outstanding fixes, patches, and Service Packs. Additionally, the candidate will review requested Application Development Platform server software for compatibility with NAR?s networking and computing environment standards. Configure and maintain Application Development Platform server software to provide access to the application developers. Install or assist with vendor-installed application server software. Configure application software to integrate into NAR?s existing networking and computing environment. Perform network and application administration (i.e. eMail, Portal, File Sharing) as required to give clients access to the resources they need. Create, document, and maintain procedures to backup and restore systems and data in a safe, reliable, and secure manner. Monitor operations procedures for successful completion. Perform system shell scripting as required using state-of-the-art tools such as Bash, PERL, Ruby, and Python). QUALIFICATIONS (EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE, SKILLS): Bachelor?s degree in Computer Science or related field preferred. The ideal candidate will have at least three to five years of previous experience and be experienced in the administration and maintenance of the Linux, WebSphere, and Cisco environments. Additionally, this person should also be able to effectively balance multiple projects and work well independently and as part of a team. CONTACT: Julia Beckman 312-329-8230 -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From mjmccune at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 13:49:32 2008 From: mjmccune at gmail.com (Mike McCune) Date: Wed Apr 2 16:12:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: WCLUG is this Thursday. Message-ID: <47F3C72C.4040107@gmail.com> WCLUG meets the first Thursday of the month, 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. Our next meeting will be at Caribou Coffee on April 3. Its strip-mall parking is adequate: Caribou Coffee, 3025 N. Clark Street (at Wellington), Chicago, IL. I'll probably be late, so start without me. Mike McCune -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From lists at distanthaze.com Sat Apr 5 14:50:59 2008 From: lists at distanthaze.com (Brad Witte) Date: Mon Apr 7 07:00:58 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Job: PC/Telco with some server, networking, Linux/UNIX Message-ID: <47F7CA13.20205@distanthaze.com> Hello folks, The company I work for has a full time opening in Downers Grove for a PC and Telco support position. This person would be primarily responsible for maintaining our end user machines and helping implement and then maintain a new ip phone system. Although this position would involve working a lot with a widely used platform I will not mention on the LUNI list, knowledge of networking, Linux, and HPUX would be very helpful. This person would be very involved in all aspects of the computing infrastructure in cooperation with other IT staff members. As the description notes, programming ability would be a plus. Feel free to contact me directly if interested, Brad * EMPLOYEE'S JOB TITLE: PC/Telco Support Technician * Due to the ever increasing work load in IT needs/projects, we have the immediate need for an individual on a FT basis who can perform general IT support duties. These general responsibilities listed below will be offloaded from an existing staff member to allow for in-house development resources. This work is split between our Lombard, Bolingbrook and Downers Grove facilities, so the candidate must have reliable transportation between locations. Our users are split 70/20/10 ? DG/BB/LB. * Key Job Responsibilities: * * Assist users in resolving computer problems. Enable users by informing them of preventative measures that they can perform. * Administer telco systems, troubleshoot problems, work with vendor to insure equipment is kept in an operational state. Assist users with telephone usage problems when applicable. * Administer virus protection, and spyware. Insure that spyware and virus protection is kept up to date and machines are cleaned when problems from users are reported. Suggest appropriate tools for keeping these threats and the damage from them minimized. * Implement software upgrade plans as assigned by Director of IT in the agreed upon manner. * Work closely with others in the IT team on various projects where necessary. Setup new users per the IT department standard. * Perform purchasing for hardware and software when needed. When applicable discuss needs/direction with Director of IT prior to finalizing purchases. * Organize and maintain department records. * Serve as a backup for network, T1 connectivity issues and server related issues/outages * Assist on other IT projects as requested/required Light programming experience (or desire to learn on the job) a plus. Particularly in scripting languages on Unix and Linux and Perl. From ashcnshsad at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 13:07:53 2008 From: ashcnshsad at gmail.com (C. Strickler) Date: Wed Apr 9 12:08:08 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Making a perl script run contantly. In-Reply-To: <772898.99327.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200801111523.20471.knura@yahoo.com> <772898.99327.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32e0ea910804091007t5be06129sefe3f5efc0a1af18@mail.gmail.com> Ok, so I'm way late to the party on this, but an easy way of doing things like this is just by using the @reboot function in cron. So in your crontab you'd have: @reboot /path/to/some/script On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Richard Reina wrote: > Thanks for the replies. I am working on creating an init.d script that > will execute the perl script. However, in the start section can I just use > /usr/local/src/serial_reader.pl? > > Thanks, > > Richard > > Arun Khan wrote: On Friday 11 Jan 2008, Richard Reina > wrote: > > I have a short perl scripts that waits for input from a serial drive > > and parses the data. My problem is that if the machine is rebooted > > then someone has to log in and manually start the script. > > Does the script run in the foreground or in the background? Perhaps you > could modify the script to run as a daemon - see webmin on how this is > done. > > As someone suggested, run the daemon from rc.local or > an /etc/init.d/ > > -- Arun Khan > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your > words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits > become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From bray at sent.com Thu Apr 10 10:48:37 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray@sent.com) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:58:25 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ChiPy ~Special~ Monthly Meeting Tuesday, April 15th Message-ID: <1207838917.25559.1247165691@webmail.messagingengine.com> Chicago Python User Group ========================= Come join us for our best meeting ever! When ---- Tuesday, April 15th, ~7pm **NOTE: TUESDAY MEETING** NO Meeting on Thursday Topics ------ * Web2py (Massimo Di Pierro) * Google AppEngine Introduction / Open Discussion (Ian Bicking) * Random Frame Hacks - lightning talks Location -------- DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave. Big Lab on the Lobby. About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: From eric at macadie.net Mon Apr 14 18:25:23 2008 From: eric at macadie.net (Eric MacAdie) Date: Mon Apr 14 17:25:39 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VPS and Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud Message-ID: <4803D9D3.3060808@MacAdie.net> Every now and then there is a post about VPS. Has anybody tried the Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud? Eric MacAdie From scott at cashnetusa.com Tue Apr 15 08:54:18 2008 From: scott at cashnetusa.com (W. Scott Lockwood III) Date: Tue Apr 15 08:24:24 2008 Subject: [LUNI] [Fwd: Do you love working at CashNetUSA?] Message-ID: <1208264058.7793.9.camel@scott-d630> Doing anything Wednesday night? - W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA IT Compliance Analyst 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 (312) 568 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ (847) 800 4896 cell -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Colleen Reilley > Subject: Do you love working at CashNetUSA? > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:25:28 -0500 > > Do you know great people who you think would be an asset to our growing > company? Want to earn some extra cash? > > What: CashNetUSA Recruiting Party > > When: Wednesday, May 14th from 6pm to 9pm > > Where: Sushi Samba > > Who: You, plus your friends, former coworkers or former classmates, who you > think would be a great fit for CashNetUSA. The recruiting team as well as > hiring managers will be there to meet and mingle. > From maney at two14.net Tue Apr 15 10:35:31 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue Apr 15 09:35:41 2008 Subject: [LUNI] [Fwd: Do you love working at CashNetUSA?] In-Reply-To: <1208264058.7793.9.camel@scott-d630> References: <1208264058.7793.9.camel@scott-d630> Message-ID: <20080415143531.GC17123@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 07:54:18AM -0500, W. Scott Lockwood III wrote: > Doing anything Wednesday night? I'd be afraid that the sushi was due back in 14 days, plus usurious interest. :-/ -- ActiveX is popular with writers of viruses, trojans, worms and malicious scripts of all kinds. From jpodraza at wdsd7.org Wed Apr 16 15:37:37 2008 From: jpodraza at wdsd7.org (jpodraza) Date: Wed Apr 16 14:53:47 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Newbie USB HDD question Message-ID: <48065581.122.1e55.1294796728@wdsd7.org> Hi, I have an external HDD drive (SimpleDrive - USB 2.0 - 250GB - vfat) connected to an email server running Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 6). When I boot up the server, the HDD can be mounted as /dev/sdc1. Over the course of a day or two, it will move to /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sde1. I put this line in /etc/fstab: /dev/sdc1 /mnt/exthdd vfat defaults 0 0 That didn't stop it. I added similar lines for /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sde1. This helped in that the HDD remained mounted after shifting, but eventually it disconnects completely. I don't know if it moves on to /dev/sdf1 and beyond. Restarting the server brings it back to /dev/sdc1. I would like to get this stable. I have some cron jobs that back up parts of the server to this HDD. Thanks, J.Pod. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Podraza Director of Technology Wood Dale School District #7 655 North Wood Dale Road Wood Dale, IL 60191 email: jpodraza@wdsd7.org voice: 630.766.6210 From brian at brianm.org Wed Apr 16 16:05:57 2008 From: brian at brianm.org (Brian) Date: Wed Apr 16 15:06:02 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Newbie USB HDD question In-Reply-To: <48065581.122.1e55.1294796728@wdsd7.org> References: <48065581.122.1e55.1294796728@wdsd7.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM, jpodraza wrote: > Hi, > > I have an external HDD drive (SimpleDrive - USB 2.0 - 250GB > - vfat) connected to an email server running Red Hat > Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 6). > > When I boot up the server, the HDD can be mounted as > /dev/sdc1. Over the course of a day or two, it will move to > /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sde1. > > I put this line in /etc/fstab: > > /dev/sdc1 /mnt/exthdd vfat defaults 0 0 > > That didn't stop it. > > I added similar lines for /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sde1. This > helped in that the HDD remained mounted after shifting, but > eventually it disconnects completely. I don't know if it > moves on to /dev/sdf1 and beyond. > > Restarting the server brings it back to /dev/sdc1. I would > like to get this stable. I have some cron jobs that back up > parts of the server to this HDD. With most Linux-supported filesystems, you can mount by UUID instead of device. Try typing "blkid" as root to get the UUID of the device. Then, make an entry in fstab using the UUID instead of the device name. An example line in fstab will look something like this: UUID=12345678-1234-1234-1234-123456789ab /mnt/exthdd ext3 defaults 0 0 vfat throws a wrench in the works. It doesn't (so far as I know!) have a UUID. But the good news is that it does carry a label, and mount can search for that as well. Try renaming the volume to something meaningful, then replacing UUID= above with LABEL=whatever and you should be good to go. From ken at stox.org Wed Apr 16 16:06:36 2008 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Wed Apr 16 15:10:16 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Newbie USB HDD question In-Reply-To: <48065581.122.1e55.1294796728@wdsd7.org> References: <48065581.122.1e55.1294796728@wdsd7.org> Message-ID: <1208376396.10311.102.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Wed, 2008-04-16 at 14:37 -0500, jpodraza wrote: > Hi, > > I have an external HDD drive (SimpleDrive - USB 2.0 - 250GB > - vfat) connected to an email server running Red Hat > Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 6). > > When I boot up the server, the HDD can be mounted as > /dev/sdc1. Over the course of a day or two, it will move to > /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sde1. You need to disable the power saving feature(s) of the drive. Another solution might be to automount it and make sure that the automount timeout is less than the drive's power saving timeout. From jquigley at jquigley.com Wed Apr 16 21:18:00 2008 From: jquigley at jquigley.com (John Quigley) Date: Wed Apr 16 20:24:44 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Chicago Linux meeting: April 19 @ 3pm Message-ID: <4806A548.4090005@jquigley.com> Hey Everyone! Chicago Linux is meeting this coming Saturday, April 19th, 2007 at 3pm at our standard location in downtown Chicago: The Institute of Design 350 N LaSalle Dr, Chicago, IL Floor 2 http://tinyurl.com/222j69 Give John Quigley a call if you have any trouble or questions at 312.351.3671. As always, food and beer are allowed, please come prepared. Our presentation agenda is slated to include two talks: 1. Introduction to deploying and using Trac (Evan Farrar) 2. Late-bound/combined object-lambda architecture (John Quigley) As always, we'll be heading out for food and drinks afterwards. We invite everyone to come along. For further information, please visit our homepage or subscribe to our mailing lists: http://www.chicagolug.org/ https://www.chicagolug.org/lists/listinfo All my best, John Quigley mail: jquigley#jquigley.com home: http://www.jquigley.com From luni at pyewacket.org Thu Apr 17 09:34:25 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Thu Apr 17 10:41:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL Message-ID: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> Does this sound ominous to anyone? http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/2337224 -Mike From ken at stox.org Thu Apr 17 12:50:27 2008 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Thu Apr 17 11:50:39 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL In-Reply-To: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> References: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1208451027.10311.122.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 08:34 -0700, Mike Scott wrote: > Does this sound ominous to anyone? > > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/2337224 > > -Mike > If you would read the responses, you will find that Marten Mickos states that MySQL planned this prior to the acquisition by Sun. He even hints that there is a possibility that Sun will stop it. It really pisses me off that some Open Source advocates like to attack Sun. Over time, Sun has done more for Open Source than any other company. Although far from perfect, Sun is an ally that we should recognize and commend. From eric at macadie.net Thu Apr 17 13:08:11 2008 From: eric at macadie.net (Eric MacAdie) Date: Thu Apr 17 12:08:15 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL In-Reply-To: <1208451027.10311.122.camel@stox.dyndns.org> References: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <1208451027.10311.122.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <480783FB.90503@MacAdie.net> I have often thought that there is a double standard in open source. When IBM open sources some software, people commend them. When Sun does it, people question their motives. Eric MacAdie Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 08:34 -0700, Mike Scott wrote: > >> Does this sound ominous to anyone? >> >> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/2337224 >> >> -Mike >> >> > > If you would read the responses, you will find that Marten Mickos states > that MySQL planned this prior to the acquisition by Sun. He even hints > that there is a possibility that Sun will stop it. > > It really pisses me off that some Open Source advocates like to attack > Sun. Over time, Sun has done more for Open Source than any other > company. Although far from perfect, Sun is an ally that we should > recognize and commend. > > From brian at brianm.org Thu Apr 17 13:50:46 2008 From: brian at brianm.org (Brian) Date: Thu Apr 17 12:50:58 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL In-Reply-To: <480783FB.90503@MacAdie.net> References: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <1208451027.10311.122.camel@stox.dyndns.org> <480783FB.90503@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: Sun spent a long time stressing that their offerings were "open." If their PR and sales forces had deliberately planned to mask whether they were talking open source or merely open standards, they couldn't have done a better job. It was tough not to read it as trying to borrow attention and legitimacy from open source projects, but without putting up. In tech, anything perceived as PR games nets small short-term gains and big long-term problems. Geeks are good with a grudge. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: > I have often thought that there is a double standard in open source. When > IBM open sources some software, people commend them. When Sun does it, > people question their motives. > > Eric MacAdie > > > > Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 08:34 -0700, Mike Scott wrote: > > > > > > > Does this sound ominous to anyone? > > > > > > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/2337224 > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you would read the responses, you will find that Marten Mickos states > > that MySQL planned this prior to the acquisition by Sun. He even hints > > that there is a possibility that Sun will stop it. > > It really pisses me off that some Open Source advocates like to attack > > Sun. Over time, Sun has done more for Open Source than any other > > company. Although far from perfect, Sun is an ally that we should > > recognize and commend. > > > > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From alenis at ics.com Thu Apr 17 16:42:44 2008 From: alenis at ics.com (Ariane Lenis) Date: Thu Apr 17 14:42:59 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Free Qt QuickStart Seminar Coming to Chicago Area! Message-ID: <4807A834.3040009@ics.com> Industry leading companies such as Skype, Google, Adobe and Lucasfilm rely on Qt for high-performance, cross-platform, rich-client application development. Qt enables them, and five thousand other companies, to future-proof their development effort, accelerate innovation, shorten time to market and increase revenues. Want to know how? Join Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc. & Trolltech at our free event in Chicago on May 1^st ! Qt offers a better way to build applications: * Write a single source code base to create applications that are native binary and look and feel natural on all your clients: Windows, Mac, Unix/Linux and WinCE * Optimize performance scaling from Multi-Core systems to embedded Linux devices * Generate 2D and 3D graphics and create sophisticated and custom styled GUI * Extend the reach of C++ using Qt?s intuitive & elegant API * Automate your localization to any language * Blend web and local content and services in a single rich application * Incorporate networking, databases, threading, XML, SVG, OpenGL * Speed development of applications for embedded Linux Please join us for an in-depth, technical primer of the Qt framework, conducted by a Certified Qt Instructor from ICS and attended by Qt experts and newbies alike. Where and When --------------------- May 1, 2008 Doubletree Hotel Chicago Oak Brook 1909 Spring Road Oak Brook, IL 60523 8:30 am - 12:00 pm Desktop Applications (continental breakfast included) 12:30 pm ? 4 pm Embedded Linux Applications Registration is free, but seating is limited, so reserve your spot today at www.ics.com/QuickStart/ Questions? Email alenis@ics.com or call (617) 621-0060 ext. 118 We hope to see you there! Best Regards, ICS & Trolltech From sobolak at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 23:41:06 2008 From: sobolak at gmail.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Thu Apr 17 22:41:10 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VPS and Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud In-Reply-To: <4803D9D3.3060808@MacAdie.net> References: <4803D9D3.3060808@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: > Every now and then there is a post about VPS. Has anybody tried the Amazon > Elastic Compute Cloud? Have not tried this, but it does sound appealing. At our group (UFO Chicago), a new Linux-supported backup program was recently recommended that uses Amazon's S3 service. Also, most of our regular attendees use Linode (A VPS service) and have been extremely happy with it. We'll see how the switch from UML to Xen is for them, but the service has been very solid to date. brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From zionics at crankynerd.com Fri Apr 18 08:23:10 2008 From: zionics at crankynerd.com (Scott Zionic) Date: Fri Apr 18 06:23:22 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VPS and Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud In-Reply-To: References: <4803D9D3.3060808@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <50383.63.117.56.252.1208517790.squirrel@mail.puppycorp.com> Brian Sobolak wrote: > Also, most of our regular attendees use Linode (A VPS service) and > have been extremely happy with it. We'll see how the switch from UML > to Xen is for them, but the service has been very solid to date. And on the other end of the spectrum is Tektonic (http://www.tektonic.net/). I thought they were pretty solid at first but now I suffer through nearly daily outages and reboots on my VPS. They use Parallels Virtuozzo, but I don't know whether that is the problem. All I know is that every day for a week my VPS has shown iowait percentages of more than 25% in top and that this correlates to horrible performance in the VM. Thanks for the tip on Linode. I have been looking around for a VPS alternative since my trouble with Tektonic began, but in the absence of a recommendation I feel like I'm just as likely to wind up with another loser. Given the pain involved in migrating my multi-gigabyte mailstore from one VPS to another over the Internet I am not eager to do it too many more times. Scott From trev at advanced-reality.com Fri Apr 18 11:00:02 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:30:46 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL In-Reply-To: <480783FB.90503@MacAdie.net> References: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <480783FB.90503@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <1208530802.6604.92.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> To be honest I'm not sure there isn't some reason for that. The MySQL acquisition seems like a typical case of that. I think IBM gets a good rep because: 1. They contribute a lot to community and other projects they don't control (Linux Kernel, OpenOffice, etc.) 2. They are a vocal advocate of FLOSS (many press releases and news with them promoting FLOSS). 3. They were a relatively early adopter of FLOSS (this gave them a fair amount of initial FLOSS Karma). I think the major Sun perception problems stem from: 1. Sun SEEMS to be a control freak. Sun contributes a lot to Sun projects OpenOffice, Java, etc. Most of which they offer their own direct competition to it (StarOffice, Java w/ extra classes, etc). Sun also seems somewhat draconian in their leadership on many of these projects. 2. Either Sun does not care about their image in the OSS community and/or they are socially inept (in an OSS way). Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you buy one of the most widely deployed FLOSS Databases and THEN close part of it you will lose face and standing with the FLOSS community. Couldn't you have MySQL AB close parts just BEFORE acquisition? Couldn't you start to open Java BEFORE you make OpenOffice heavily dependent on it. Why not contribute the technology in OpenSolaris to Linux rather than trying to create a competing distribution? Either Sun does not care or the people (who should know something about FLOSS communities) are inept at judging the effects. 3. Sun is not vocal about FLOSS. Most news releases push their proprietary alternatives. 4. Sun was a late adopter of FLOSS. IBM, HP, DELL offered Linux pre-loaded on their systems well before Sun. Sun also bad-mouthed Linux a fair amount before they started offering it. I also think they took an additional level of "bad FLOSS Karma" because most people using Unix at the time preceived Sun as one of Linux's best potential allies and one that could have moved FLOSS along much faster. I should say I do not hold most of this against Sun. For #1 above I see contribution as contribution and appreciate theirs. For #3 above I understand they have proprietary alternatives that generates much of their revenue. For #4 this is the dynamics of Linux eating most of the Sun market at that time although if they had a crystal ball they could have been one of the strongest Linux companies out there. #3, however, is a different matter. They really should get their act together if they want to be successful in the FLOSS world. Most of the negative fall-out they get is obvious to anyone who has interacted with the FLOSS world more than a month. The fact that the negative PR happens the way it does screams either incompetence or indifference neither of which are well received by the community. On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 12:08 -0500, Eric MacAdie wrote: > I have often thought that there is a double standard in open source. > When IBM open sources some software, people commend them. When Sun does > it, people question their motives. > > Eric MacAdie -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From brian at brianm.org Fri Apr 18 12:13:58 2008 From: brian at brianm.org (Brian) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:14:04 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VPS and Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud In-Reply-To: References: <4803D9D3.3060808@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Brian Sobolak wrote: > > Also, most of our regular attendees use Linode (A VPS service) and > have been extremely happy with it. We'll see how the switch from UML > to Xen is for them, but the service has been very solid to date. If anyone's considering this, I've been happy with vpsvillage.com as well. Their plans pretty much look like what you'd get if Linode extended its price chart leftward with cheaper/lower-resource plans. In a year, I've not had any outages, and the machines seem provisioned very responsibly. I pay $15 quarterly for 64M RAM, 128M swap, 4G disk and 50G Transfer (actual, not 95th percentile). Using a $95/year DreamHost package for bulk-serving static content and this for dynamic content, we happily cut costs on a very large project from a $120/mo dedicated server package to $155/year. :) VPSVillage is part of GrokThis.net if you want to do any research. The GrokThis main site plans don't look particularly exciting. From linux at unliketea.com Fri Apr 18 12:24:25 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:24:27 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Web Developer Position Message-ID: <52822.76.238.115.137.1208535865.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Hey Folks, We are looking for a Web Developer with some Linux admin skills. As a Web Developer, you will be responsible for building and maintaining in-house and external software applications and websites. In this position you will direct website content, creation, enhancement and maintenance. You will also assist with Linux server maintenance and other miscellaneous technical duties. This position gives you the opportunity to have a significant impact on the development of a successful and fast-growing company. Candidate qualifications: Bachelor?s Degree preferred, ideally with concentration in Computer Science/Computer Engineering and/or Math. A minimum of 5 years related experience and/or training; or equivalent combination of education and experience. Required Technical Skills: Must have a though understanding of web applications, design, and implementation using a variety of tools and platforms. Skills in PHP, SQL(mysql), Apache, Linux, perl and shell scripting are a must. An understanding cross-browser and cross-platform design and implementation using HTML and JavaScript. Qualified candidates will have working knowledge of basic networking and computer hardware. Additional Technical Skills: Advanced candidates will have experience with NetBSD or other BSD based Unix; and understanding LDAP; advanced networking including routing,BGP, TCP and UDP stacks, Firewalls(iptables or pf); Systems monitoring(Nagios); Windows XP and samba management; an understanding of source control; knowledge of VOIP systems; and understanding of email(postfix,sendmail,qmail). Non-Technical requirements: Occasionally the employee will lift and/or move 30 pounds. While performing duties the employee is regularly sitting, using hands to finger, handle or feel; reach with arms; repetitive wrist, and/or finger movement. The candidate must have the ability to write, read and interpret documents. Ability to provide support on 24/7 basis. If you are interested p mail me. Thanks Steve From maney at two14.net Fri Apr 18 12:38:36 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:38:54 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL In-Reply-To: <1208530802.6604.92.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> References: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <480783FB.90503@MacAdie.net> <1208530802.6604.92.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Message-ID: <20080418163836.GA24648@furrr.two14.net> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:00:02AM -0500, Trev Peterson wrote: > Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you buy one of the > most widely deployed FLOSS Databases and THEN close part of it you will > lose face and standing with the FLOSS community. Couldn't you have > MySQL AB close parts just BEFORE acquisition? Couldn't you start to Last I heard, the parts-to-be-closed was in fact something Mysql had been planning before the acquisition. > open Java BEFORE you make OpenOffice heavily dependent on it. Why not The way I recall it - and here, as with Mysql, I have to confess to not being/having been deeply interested, so perhaps I have it wrong - but the way I recall it the "java rewrite" came back before there was an OpenOffice. > 4. Sun was a late adopter of FLOSS. In many respects. There were much earlier releases, such as NFS, but the purity of their motive there isn't too clear, what with the large dollop of obvious self-interest (make it easy for everyone else to talk to the NFS servers you hope to sell? releasing a little code is small beer compared to that upside.) Of course it's also true that IBM's interest in Linux has been driven by an anticipation of bottom-line benefits (and they're always been pretty clear about that). So perhaps the difference is more in perception than fact... but it's a pretty widespread perception. -- And in the end, reality always tends to hit theory hard in the face when you least expect it. - Linus From linux at unliketea.com Mon Apr 21 10:59:19 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Mon Apr 21 09:59:25 2008 Subject: [LUNI] PHP Message-ID: <48218.69.17.21.59.1208789959.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> I am not a PHP expert but I would like to play one on TV. I need to interview some folks to do PHP work but only really know enough to get my self in trouble. Do you any of you folks have some easy, hard, and advanced questions to ask. I don't need the answers as I will(need to) look them up my self. Thanks Steve From zionics at crankynerd.com Thu Apr 17 10:01:08 2008 From: zionics at crankynerd.com (Scott Zionic) Date: Mon Apr 21 10:59:34 2008 Subject: [LUNI] JOB: sysadmin for algorithmic trading company Message-ID: <20080417130108.GA29914@puppycorp.com> I have a friend who's looking for a Linux sysadmin/netadmin for an algorithmic trading shop. If you have any interest send me a resume off-list. I don't have a lot of other details yet. Scott From JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG Thu Apr 17 16:44:42 2008 From: JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG (JEFF@GERHARDT.ORG) Date: Mon Apr 21 10:59:35 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL In-Reply-To: References: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <1208451027.10311.122.camel@stox.dyndns.org> <480783FB.90503@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <20080417204442.63CF147DCC@k2.ibssnet.com> BEFORE you condemn, you really need to read the details being posted by Martin Mickos (former CEO of MySQL) on this issue. I have a tendency to believe people as opposed to companies. Martin has been a square shooter and I have no reason to automatically discount what he is saying just because Sun has purchased MySQL. I have been very "Anti-Sun" over the whole Star-Office situation and I have had to ea my words as Open Office thrives today. Brian writes: > Sun spent a long time stressing that their offerings were "open." If > their PR and sales forces had deliberately planned to mask whether > they were talking open source or merely open standards, they couldn't > have done a better job. It was tough not to read it as trying to > borrow attention and legitimacy from open source projects, but without > putting up. > > In tech, anything perceived as PR games nets small short-term gains > and big long-term problems. Geeks are good with a grudge. > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: >> I have often thought that there is a double standard in open source. When >> IBM open sources some software, people commend them. When Sun does it, >> people question their motives. >> >> Eric MacAdie >> >> >> >> Kenneth P. Stox wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 08:34 -0700, Mike Scott wrote: >> > >> > >> > > Does this sound ominous to anyone? >> > > >> > > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/2337224 >> > > >> > > -Mike >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > If you would read the responses, you will find that Marten Mickos states >> > that MySQL planned this prior to the acquisition by Sun. He even hints >> > that there is a possibility that Sun will stop it. >> > It really pisses me off that some Open Source advocates like to attack >> > Sun. Over time, Sun has done more for Open Source than any other >> > company. Although far from perfect, Sun is an ally that we should >> > recognize and commend. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion >> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni >> > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG Fri Apr 18 12:15:55 2008 From: JEFF at GERHARDT.ORG (JEFF@GERHARDT.ORG) Date: Mon Apr 21 10:59:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL In-Reply-To: <1208530802.6604.92.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> References: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <480783FB.90503@MacAdie.net> <1208530802.6604.92.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Message-ID: <20080418161555.464F247DCC@k2.ibssnet.com> Trev, > I think IBM gets a good rep because: > 1. They contribute a lot to community and other projects they don't > control (Linux Kernel, OpenOffice, etc.) > 2. They are a vocal advocate of FLOSS (many press releases and news with > them promoting FLOSS). > 3. They were a relatively early adopter of FLOSS (this gave them a fair > amount of initial FLOSS Karma). IBM contributes to open technologies (I refuse to use the word "floss") because it makes sense to their business model. That is it, the long and the short of it. When they showed up to Linux World in 1999 there were one hell of a lot of suspicious people. Back in the day, IBM used to be called the "Evil Empire" before Bilgatus came along, and let me tell you they deserved it. They would routinely change plugs on drive sub-systems just to make it impossible for people to use NON-IBM drive subsystems. Yes they have proved in the long run to be remarkable citizens. But oft times controversy makes for strange bed fellows. The way that the community stood by IBMs side in the situation with SCO v IBM, did as much to endear the community to the suits at IBM as anything else. I know this as fact as although I was not at ground zero (as ESR was), I was close enough to take hits from the shrapnel. But if the choice was to sacrifice sales and profitability vs contributing to the development of Linux, they would be gone in a flash. The bottom line is simple. Linux made the IBM mainframe and super computers a very profitable business. As early as 2003 I was told of sales pops measured with "B's" attributed to Linux at IBM. But, not all is OPEN at IBM. A lot of people do not know that IBM proprietary tool sets for Z series processors are closed source and yet the computer runs Linux. This happens to be a totally legitimate implementation for IBM, but I am sure that GPL purists would have a problem with it. However, some of their other tool sets (x86) IBM has released as open source. So, although I am far from a fan of SUN, there are loads of suspicious business motives you could place to many vendors. As for now, the judgment is out for MySQL. The deal with MySQL is that it is GPL and has been for a long time. If SUN does piss people off, it will be forked. Jeff Gerhardt From jrstark at barntowire.com Mon Apr 21 12:00:05 2008 From: jrstark at barntowire.com (Janine Starykowicz) Date: Mon Apr 21 11:06:49 2008 Subject: [LUNI] PHP In-Reply-To: <48218.69.17.21.59.1208789959.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <48218.69.17.21.59.1208789959.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <480CBA05.4040908@barntowire.com> This might be helpful: chiPHPug-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss Janine Steve Pribyl wrote: > I am not a PHP expert but I would like to play one on TV. > I need to interview some folks to do PHP work but only really know enough > to get my self in trouble. > > Do you any of you folks have some easy, hard, and advanced questions to ask. > I don't need the answers as I will(need to) look them up my self. > > Thanks > Steve > > From e.ellington at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 12:19:17 2008 From: e.ellington at gmail.com (Eric Ellington) Date: Mon Apr 21 11:59:08 2008 Subject: [LUNI] JOB: Entry Level System Administration Message-ID: I am looking to hire an entry level systems administrator. We are a Linux/Unix/Windows shop. With windows being in the majority, at the moment. Email me off list and I will send you details. -- Eric Ellington e.ellington@gmail.com From maney at two14.net Mon Apr 21 13:07:16 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon Apr 21 12:07:24 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Sun to Begin Close Sourcing MySQL In-Reply-To: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> References: <20080417083425.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.aac70edf6a.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20080421170716.GA1162@furrr.two14.net> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 08:34:25AM -0700, Mike Scott wrote: > Does this sound ominous to anyone? > > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/2337224 Nope. But then I chose Postgres years ago, back when MySQL was still trying to deny that databases needed stuff like transactions and other features it lacked. But from what I understand, they're just saying that there will be additional features available first to Enterprise customers, and some separate programs (I believe online backup is what they're talking about so far) will only be available to Enterprise customers. -- Slashdot is to tech news as Weekly World News is to science news, except for taking themselves too seriously. From lgj at usenix.org Mon Apr 21 15:30:27 2008 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Mon Apr 21 17:01:00 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Update from the LISA '08 Program Chair Message-ID: <480D0773.8060405@usenix.org> Progress continues on planning for the LISA '08 conference. I'm excited to announce that representatives from the the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency have agreed to deliver the keynote address. Some invited talks submissions have already been received and acknowledged. Inquiries are coming in about the paper submission process and the refereed paper submission Web form will be open soon. Deadlines for paper and invited talk submissions are approaching in May. If you are thinking about submitting content for this year, now is the time to get organized and go for it. The quality of the conference depends in large part on the quantity and quality of content submitted by our community. I have all too often heard people tell me that they think they are doing interesting work, but are gun-shy about submitting. They don't know if it meets the "LISA standard" or are not sure if anyone else is interested in their niche. As the Program Chair of this year's conference, I encourage folks to *not* self-censor: be brave and submit your work. The LISA '08 organizers are here to help you with the content and presentation. Please email lisa08chair@usenix.org if you would like help getting your paper ready for submission. Important Deadlines Approaching: -- Extended abstract and paper submissions: May 8, 2008 -- Invited talk and workshop proposals: May 20, 2008 -- Guru Is In and Hit the Ground Running proposals: May 31, 2008 -- Poster proposals: July 16, 2008 Finally, USENIX offers discounts for organizations sending 5 or more employees to LISA. Please note this if you need to lobby your employer to allow you to attend. The Call for Participation with submission guidelines and sample topics can be found on the USENIX Web site at http://www.usenix.org/lisa08/cfpb We look forward to hearing from you! On behalf of the LISA '08 organizers, Mario Obejas, Raytheon LISA '08 Program Chair lisa08chair@usenix.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers LISA '08: 22nd Large Installation System Administration Conference November 9-14, 2008, San Diego, CA, USA http://www.usenix.org/lisa08/cfpb Extended abstract and paper submissions due: May 8, 2008 Sponsored by USENIX and SAGE ------------------------------------------------------------------- From brian at brianm.org Mon Apr 21 17:28:39 2008 From: brian at brianm.org (Brian) Date: Wed Apr 23 08:54:14 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Job: Linux Geek to Save the World Message-ID: Since everyone else is doing one, I thought I'd float one of these for Linden Lab. We make www.secondlife.com -- Working for the Lab is great... it's nice having an office with a wine refrigerator and a fireplace. And by that I mean, you can work from home. We're based out of San Francisco, but other than a couple weeks spent visiting to absorb the culture and get up to speed, you'll only see your coworkers in virtual space. We hold all our meetings inside Second Life, on irc, or with Skype and vnc or screen. Sometimes I go down Belmont a little ways and hold my meetings at Starbucks. Most of the engineers are Google-smart and passionate about Second Life. Yes, we've got a Linux client, it's open source - except the voice component (so far!) - and we're working hard to create open standards and peering mechanisms for the server bits. We want to create a platform where we're merely a leading service provider since we're not dumb enough to think we can lock up virtual worlds all on our own. So even if you're 100% floss, we're still a good-conscience place to work. Anyway, the boilerplate stuff they posted to the blog: Linden Lab Production Operations has open positions for Production Operations developers and systems engineers in Australia, Singapore, the United States, and United Kingdom. The Production Operations team is responsible for ensuring that the Second Life grid, the world's largest collaborative real-time development environment, is up and running. Linden Lab Operations is a Debian Linux shop. We rely extensively on OSS, and our in-house systems are usually written in Python or PHP. Our team is made up of folks who have been involved in large-scale grid management and site operations for years. We're looking for people who can rapidly pinpoint and diagnose network failures, deployment issues, and performance bottlenecks, who can also create tools which will improve grid stability. Production Operations works extensively with the Concierge, System Engineering, Governance, I-world, and Development teams to triage and respond to grid problems; therefore, the ability to communicate effectively with techies and non-techies is critical. The successful candidate will have substantial *nix experience and script-fu, familiarity in managing large system installations, and no fear of complex, dynamic systems. If this sounds like you, please click here* and submit your resume for one of the "Production Operation" postings (Developer or Systems Engineer). *Click here my ass. I won't do html mail! Use http://lindenlab.com/employment If you think you're way qualified but haven't gotten your feet dirty in Second Life, I could be talked into spending a little time showing you around. I'm a dev, not an ops guy, but I've got a pretty good handle on what kind of issues they're tackling, and getting around in-world is something any Linden should know how to do. From csutton at chadarius.com Wed Apr 23 15:16:44 2008 From: csutton at chadarius.com (Chad Sutton) Date: Wed Apr 23 14:16:49 2008 Subject: [LUNI] I'm hoping to join you for the next meeting and Linux Podcasting advice Message-ID: I may have met some of you already if you were at Flourish. The Friday round table at flourish was awesome! I was at the Ubuntu LoCo table most of the time. I've just been working on an open source podcasting document and I'm looking for ideas and advice. Do any of you podcast using only Linux? If so what tools are you using? Do you use VOIP clients to hold round table discussions? If so, what clients are you using? How are you recording the conversations? Here is what I'm doing now. This is also documented at http://chadarius.com/node/97. The process I used was for the podcast that my gaming group just started at http://lordsoftyr.com. Tools used: 2 Kubuntu 7.10 PC's, Gizmo VOIP client, Gizmo VOIP conference feature, Icemat Audio headset and usb card, Audacity audio editor, Podsafe Music from http://music.podshow.com, Process: 1. Use only SIP compliant VOIP clients (iChat, Gizmo, Ekiga) so that everyone can use the Gizmo VOIP conference call number. 2. Use two Gizmo clients on your end. One to participate in the call and one just for recording. The PC that is recording with Gizmo should have its speakers and mic turned off. Otherwise strange echoing or feedback will occur. 3. Everyone call in using the full phone number that you get from Gizmo (It should look like 1-222-xxx-xxxx). Using other methods doesn't seem as reliable. 4. Record the call. Everyone will hear a message that says that the call is being recorded. Make sure that at the end of the call everyone is off mute and you record about 10 seconds of "silence". This is for later on when you use the noice filter feature in Audacity. 5. Hold your podcast session 6. When completed... immediately back up the recording file. Be default it saved it to the root of my home directory. In fact, I would think of cutting it to a CD just in case. 7. Find your intro/bumper music on the PodShow web site. 8. Use Audacity to fix the sound. Use the Leveller, Compressor and Noise Removal effects in Audacity to smooth out the levels from different people and remove any hum or static that is there (remember that 10 seconds of silence? Use that as your sample for the Noise Removal effect). Don't be worried about totally messing up your podcast with Audacity. It has multi-level undo and you backed everything up right? 9. When you are done, export to MP3, Ogg, etc... 10. Make sure all the MP3 meta data is filled out. Artist, Album, Track, etc... and upload to your site for inclusion in your RSS feed. You are done! The one thing that would be cool is to figure out how to use 2 sound cards, 2 voip clients, and perhaps pulse audio to do this all on a single PC. Sometimes I'm on the road and using just my laptop would be nice to be able to record the podcast instead of relying on multiple machines. -- Later, Chad From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Sun Apr 27 21:53:45 2008 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Sun Apr 27 20:53:52 2008 Subject: [LUNI] YAPC::NA 2008 Message-ID: <49d805d70804271853n2eb3f9bag73824a25be6b83f7@mail.gmail.com> Hi Luni folks, Chicago.pm is hosting YAPC::NA 2008, the North American Perl Conference, this year again in Chicago. You might remember that we had it in town in 2006 also. The conference is three days of primarily Perl-based presentations, including keynotes by Larry Wall and Randal Schwartz. If you are interested, we are continuing to offer an early registration discount through the end of April... so, for the next three days. Even if you miss the early registration, the conference is still only $100. Hope to see some of you there, Josh McAdams http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008/purchase