From luni at pyewacket.org Fri Feb 1 11:26:54 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Fri Feb 1 12:27:02 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Off Topic: The LAN turns 30 Message-ID: <20080201112653.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.bbe9adb1f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> http://tinyurl.com/ysv9lh - Mike Scott From ken at stox.org Fri Feb 1 12:42:50 2008 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Fri Feb 1 12:42:59 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Off Topic: The LAN turns 30 In-Reply-To: <20080201112653.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.bbe9adb1f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080201112653.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.bbe9adb1f1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1201891370.9134.15.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 11:26 -0700, Mike Scott wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/ysv9lh Arguably, IBM's SNA beat this by 4 years. From trev at advanced-reality.com Sun Feb 3 10:04:17 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Sun Feb 3 10:09:07 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Off topic: Need to find a decent .NET dev Message-ID: <1202054657.4915.51.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Hello, I pretty much avoid MS development where possible, however, a client has an immediate need for a .NET developer. I've tried to find one several other ways but so far we only seem to get hacks. Can anyone recommend a decent .NET dev that: 1. Writes decent code 2. Documents their work 3. Does design work BEFORE they start coding 4. Has enough backbone to stop the client from constantly changing the requirements / doing something crazy (the client is not unpleasant to work for just a bit chaotic) We have a currently undocumented, somewhat messy .net/VB environment that the dev will have to unravel and document. The programmer will report to me initially. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE email me OFF-LIST. I know this is off-topic for this list and wish to minimize the impact on it. Any suggestions on where to get a resource like this is greatly appreciated. Much thanks in advance, -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From mswier at yahoo.com Sun Feb 3 11:13:09 2008 From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier) Date: Sun Feb 3 13:13:44 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 2/5/08 Message-ID: <97279.97291.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi, NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on Tuesday 2/5/08. We will be talking about LDAP. For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/meetings.html#nextmtg mikie -------------- next part -------------- -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Sun Feb 3 17:04:31 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Sun Feb 3 17:04:35 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Potential Contact for Redhat (Flourish) In-Reply-To: <1201800278.8165.20.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> References: <9db93b0e0801301612r30932f29g2f3c96a9f99b752@mail.gmail.com> <1201800278.8165.20.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0802031504l5c8d9756va35d39bddeeb1596@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for all who responded. I have received a contact from Tom and I emailed the person. Thanks again for everyone's feedback. -- Samir On 1/31/08, William Scott Lockwood III wrote: > > He might have a local contact, we should see if Tom can recommend > someone? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Samir Faci > Reply-To: board@luni.org > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > Cc: Tom 'spot' Callaway > Subject: [LUNI] Potential Contact for Redhat (Flourish) > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:12:57 -0600 > > I was wondering if anyone had any contacts at redhat in the Chicago area. > I've talked to Tom 'spot' Callaway before, and he's always been of > tremendous help, but he's moved out of the area the last time I've talked > to > him. > > If possible, I'd like to get redhat and any other distributions that are > willing to be represented and be involved in flourish. > > -- > Samir Faci > > -- > W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA > System Administrator 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 > scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 > (312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ > > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From tcameron at redhat.com Sun Feb 3 23:12:23 2008 From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)) Date: Sun Feb 3 23:12:29 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Red Hat is hiring in the Chicago area Message-ID: <47A69EB7.5010603@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Howdy All - My name is Thomas Cameron, and I am the solutions architect (a.k.a. sales engineer) team lead for the central region of the United States. I am not a recruiter, I'm a technical employee at Red Hat based out of Austin, Texas. We're looking for sales engineers, consultants and technical trainers in the Chicago area. Please be aware that all three of these positions requires *extensive* travel. We do our best to get our people home for the weekends, but in many cases you can expect to travel 75% or more. Sales engineers spend 3-5 days/week on the road. Trainers spend 5 days/week on the road with a target of one week off per month for professional development and curriculum development. Consultants are on the road 5 days/week with pretty sporadic weeks off, just depending on what sorts of projects we have in the pipeline. If you're interested and have a strong background in enterprise computing with Linux (RHCE *heavily* preferred), please do two things: 1) Fill out the form at https://redhat.ats.hrsmart.com/cgi-bin/a/editprofile.cgi and list my e-mail address (tcameron@redhat.com) as an employee referral in the "How did you hear about us?" section. 2) Send me an e-mail with your interest (sales engineer, consultant of trainer) and your resume. Please feel free to pass this along to anyone you know who might be qualified and interested. - -- Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region 512-241-0774 office 512-585-5631 cell 512-857-1345 fax -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHpp63mzle50YHwaARAnYXAJ9KeWdCnGD8sBzGr39jj1hg8Ema2ACfV1ux tqQ3RbZzxc4QK0SbH0/pn9k= =u/PT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sjk at cupacoffee.net Tue Feb 5 14:47:31 2008 From: sjk at cupacoffee.net (sjk) Date: Tue Feb 5 15:16:05 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Job - Network Security Message-ID: <47A8CB63.2050108@cupacoffee.net> I have an opening for a network security engineer, if anyone is interested. Am willing to train on much of the security sibe, but candidate must has a good background in networking and linix admin. Thanks -- steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ onShore Networks is seeking a qualified network security engineer to join our MSS department. onShore Networks is a 15 year old consultancy with strong ties to the Open Source movement. We provide full benefits and a business casual work environment. Qualified Candidates will posses: * At least one year experience in routing and switching deployments * An excellent knowledge of firewall management and control policies * Comfortable operating in a Linux environment * Hands on experience in both site-to-site and client-to-site VPN deployments * A firm grasp IP protocol analysis and troubleshooting * Excellent communications skills and the desire to resolve problems Duties Include: * Performing add/drop changes to existing firewalls * Managing and maintaining *nix based collectors and servers * Reviewing and reporting on IDS and firewall logs * Troubleshooting and resolving enterprise network issues * Responding to after hours emergencies * Planning and deploying new firewall and IDS installations Compensation: Compensation will be based upon experience and performance. Candidates should send the resume and a salary history to jobs@onshore.com for review. -- http://www.sleepycatz.com sjk@cupacoffee.net fingerprint: 1024D/89420B8E 2001-09-16 No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir From linux at unliketea.com Thu Feb 7 09:23:25 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Thu Feb 7 09:23:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Help parsing an error message Message-ID: <50522.69.17.21.59.1202397805.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> I know this is a little light on details but I have an email message with the following message. Message delivery to 'address@yahoo.com' delayed SMTP module(domain [10.238.11.252]) reports: no response Is this [10.238.11.252] reporting the error or Some other server reporting a problem with [10.238.11.252] Thanks Steve From e.ellington at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 09:36:05 2008 From: e.ellington at gmail.com (Eric Ellington) Date: Thu Feb 7 09:36:08 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Help parsing an error message In-Reply-To: <50522.69.17.21.59.1202397805.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <50522.69.17.21.59.1202397805.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: Is 10.238.11.252 the actual IP address in question? If so, it sounds like it is an internal IP on your network. 10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255 are reserved for private networks and are not addressable on the internet. So it should not be comming from yahoo. On Feb 7, 2008 9:23 AM, Steve Pribyl wrote: > I know this is a little light on details but I have an email message with > the following message. > > Message delivery to 'address@yahoo.com' delayed > SMTP module(domain [10.238.11.252]) reports: > no response > > Is this [10.238.11.252] reporting the error > or > Some other server reporting a problem with [10.238.11.252] > > Thanks > Steve > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Eric Ellington e.ellington@gmail.com From mjmccune at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 16:48:59 2008 From: mjmccune at gmail.com (Mike McCune) Date: Thu Feb 7 16:49:03 2008 Subject: [LUNI] WCLUG meeting on February 7 Message-ID: <3d5f70d0802071448m220e7045x86c9db2ae8720a85@mail.gmail.com> The next WCLUG is meeting Thursday, February 7, 7pm at Caribou Coffee, 3025 N. Clark Street. Come join us for a hot drink by the fireplace (We generally sit in front of the fireplace). I'll be wearing my black "Got Linux" cap. For more details go to www.wclug.org. From Israr at greatsys.com Sun Feb 10 21:33:55 2008 From: Israr at greatsys.com (Israr) Date: Mon Feb 11 20:04:04 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Help parsing an error message In-Reply-To: References: <50522.69.17.21.59.1202397805.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: My 2 cents if you have not figured it out so far. Is it the internal ip address of your email server? This server may be able to send emails but Yahoo and others will not accept the email because iP address in the header is private. (10.238.11.252). israr -----Original Message----- From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf Of Eric Ellington Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:36 AM To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: Re: [LUNI] Help parsing an error message Is 10.238.11.252 the actual IP address in question? If so, it sounds like it is an internal IP on your network. 10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255 are reserved for private networks and are not addressable on the internet. So it should not be comming from yahoo. On Feb 7, 2008 9:23 AM, Steve Pribyl wrote: > I know this is a little light on details but I have an email message with > the following message. > > Message delivery to 'address@yahoo.com' delayed > SMTP module(domain [10.238.11.252]) reports: > no response > > Is this [10.238.11.252] reporting the error > or > Some other server reporting a problem with [10.238.11.252] > > Thanks > Steve > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Eric Ellington e.ellington@gmail.com -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From brian at planetshwoop.com Mon Feb 11 08:26:37 2008 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Mon Feb 11 20:32:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: UFO Chicago This Thursday Message-ID: <20080211132637.GA11389@planetshwoop.com> This Thursday is a UFO Thursday! What: UFO Chicago, a group of open-source enthusiasts Where: 4229 W Irving Park Rd., Chicago When: 8pm onward For more info, fire up lynx and read http://ufo.chicago.il.us/ We are a group of open-source enthusiasts who discuss Linux, Unix, programming, system administration, coffee, exim internals, and many many other topics. Britney Spears does not come up. Join us! brian -- Brian Sobolak brian@planetshwoop.com http://www.planetshwoop.com/ -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From knura at yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 12:25:20 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Tue Feb 12 00:55:21 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Help parsing an error message In-Reply-To: References: <50522.69.17.21.59.1202397805.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <200802121225.20658.knura@yahoo.com> On Monday 11 Feb 2008, Israr wrote: > My 2 cents if you have not figured it out so far. > > Is it the internal ip address of your email server? This server may > be able to send emails but Yahoo and others will not accept the email > because iP address in the header is private. (10.238.11.252). israr The OP has not mentioned whether his MTA is sending message through Yahoo! as a "smart host" or trying to deliver messages to Yahoo! addresses directly. For the former case, IIRC, Yahoo! uses SMTP AUTH for outgoing messages through it's servers. -- Arun Khan > -----Original Message----- > From: luni-bounces@luni.org [mailto:luni-bounces@luni.org] On Behalf > Of Eric Ellington > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:36 AM > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Help parsing an error message > > Is 10.238.11.252 the actual IP address in question? If so, it sounds > like it is an internal IP on your network. 10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255 > are reserved for private networks and are not addressable on the > internet. So it should not be comming from yahoo. > > On Feb 7, 2008 9:23 AM, Steve Pribyl wrote: > > I know this is a little light on details but I have an email > > message > > with > > > the following message. > > > > Message delivery to 'address@yahoo.com' delayed > > SMTP module(domain [10.238.11.252]) reports: > > no response > > > > Is this [10.238.11.252] reporting the error > > or > > Some other server reporting a problem with [10.238.11.252] > > > > Thanks > > Steve From eric at macadie.net Tue Feb 12 22:02:29 2008 From: eric at macadie.net (Eric MacAdie) Date: Tue Feb 12 22:02:41 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question Message-ID: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not interested in cable. I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine definitively what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am interested in knowing the real price, not the introductory price. Eric MacAdie From me at heyjay.com Tue Feb 12 23:18:40 2008 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue Feb 12 23:19:05 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2008 10:02 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: > I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get > phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? > > Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering > getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not > interested in cable. > > I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine definitively > what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am interested in knowing > the real price, not the introductory price. > > Eric MacAdie I know you're not interested in cable TV, but I've got the triple play bundle. Here's what it looks like: Generally my total for Internet, Phone, and cable = $159.04, but last month I had some pay per views and 411 calls so my bill was $173.93 Below is the breakout (cut and pasted from my statement) Preferred Triple Play --------------------- This Package Includes Enhanced Cable With Comcast Ondemand, Digital PLUS With Encore, Comcast Digital Voice, and Comcast High Speed Internet 3-product $5.00 Discount Included. 153.88 - 44.88 (1 YEAR PROMO) = $109.00 Cable TV -------------- (This is for my DVR and HBO) Dual Tuner DVR Service 13.99 Dual DVR HDMI DCT 0.00 Triple Play HBO 10.00 (Pay per views I ordered last month) Wiggles/get Strong! 3.99 I Now/chuck/larry 3.99 New Superbad 4.99 = 36.96 High speed internet ------------------- (I guess this is for my cable modem) CDV/HSI Equipment 3.00 = 3.00 Digital Voice ------------- (I have a 2nd line) 2nd Line W/out Features 10.00 International Calls 0.88 Univ. Connectivity Chg. - Usage 0.09 Univ. Connectivity Chg. - Recurring 0.74 Regulatory Recovery Fees - Usage 0.13 Regulatory Recovery Fees - Recurring 5.98 = 17.82 Taxes, surcharges, and fees 7.15 Jay From sobolak at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 23:48:58 2008 From: sobolak at gmail.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Tue Feb 12 23:49:02 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2008 10:02 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: > I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get > phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? > > Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering > getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not > interested in cable. > > I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine definitively > what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am interested in knowing > the real price, not the introductory price. Have you looked into Speakeasy? They do a better job of bundling DSL and VOIP than speakeasy does (imho). Comcast had faster downloads, but I generally preferred the VOIP from Speakeasy. Also, their customer service was good; Comcast's totally stinks. If it matters to you, Speakeasy has free landline calls to many places in the world; Comcast charges like an old school long distance company. brian -- -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From aclose at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 08:24:24 2008 From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close) Date: Wed Feb 13 08:51:03 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2008 11:48 PM, Brian Sobolak wrote: > On Feb 12, 2008 10:02 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: > > I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get > > phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? > > > > Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering > > getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not > > interested in cable. > > > > I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine definitively > > what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am interested in knowing > > the real price, not the introductory price. > > Have you looked into Speakeasy? They do a better job of bundling DSL > and VOIP than speakeasy does (imho). Comcast had faster downloads, > but I generally preferred the VOIP from Speakeasy. Also, their > customer service was good; Comcast's totally stinks. > > If it matters to you, Speakeasy has free landline calls to many places > in the world; Comcast charges like an old school long distance > company. if it's available in your area, you could look into WOW (Wide Open West) Cable. they have a package similar to the Comcast Triple Play for $99/month until 2009 or 2010..? i switched from Comcast Internet to WOW Internet & Cable because my Comcast Internet connection kept dropping and behaving strangely. i've been with WOW for about three/four months now and have been happy with their level of service. From linux at unliketea.com Wed Feb 13 09:08:28 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Wed Feb 13 09:08:35 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <46907.69.17.21.59.1202915308.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> I would second the speakeasy recommendation. I have been using them for years in the dsl/voip mode and have been very pleased. This includes their support. I also praise you non-tv owning. Steve > On Feb 12, 2008 11:48 PM, Brian Sobolak wrote: >> On Feb 12, 2008 10:02 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: >> > I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get >> > phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? >> > >> > Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering >> > getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not >> > interested in cable. >> > >> > I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine >> definitively >> > what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am interested in >> knowing >> > the real price, not the introductory price. >> >> Have you looked into Speakeasy? They do a better job of bundling DSL >> and VOIP than speakeasy does (imho). Comcast had faster downloads, >> but I generally preferred the VOIP from Speakeasy. Also, their >> customer service was good; Comcast's totally stinks. >> >> If it matters to you, Speakeasy has free landline calls to many places >> in the world; Comcast charges like an old school long distance >> company. From theuteck at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 17:38:15 2008 From: theuteck at gmail.com (uteck) Date: Wed Feb 13 17:39:55 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <200802131738.16102.theuteck@gmail.com> On Wednesday 13 February 2008 8:24:24 am Andrew Close wrote: > On Feb 12, 2008 11:48 PM, Brian Sobolak wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2008 10:02 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: > > > I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get > > > phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? > > > > > > Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering > > > getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not > > > interested in cable. > > > > > > I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine > > > definitively what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am > > > interested in knowing the real price, not the introductory price. > > > > Have you looked into Speakeasy? They do a better job of bundling DSL > > and VOIP than speakeasy does (imho). Comcast had faster downloads, > > but I generally preferred the VOIP from Speakeasy. Also, their > > customer service was good; Comcast's totally stinks. > > > > If it matters to you, Speakeasy has free landline calls to many places > > in the world; Comcast charges like an old school long distance > > company. > > if it's available in your area, you could look into WOW (Wide Open > West) Cable. they have a package similar to the Comcast Triple Play > for $99/month until 2009 or 2010..? > i switched from Comcast Internet to WOW Internet & Cable because my > Comcast Internet connection kept dropping and behaving strangely. > i've been with WOW for about three/four months now and have been happy > with their level of service. Have you looked at Vonage? I have been satisfied with them for years. I use WOW for internet and they provide 3 IP's so I run the line from the cable modem into a switch which supplies my phone adapter and my router. I used to leave the phone behind the router, but I have the touch of death on routers and have killed 5 in the last few years. I have heard good things for Skype, but I have not used them. You can always give them a try without any long commitment. From aclose at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 08:14:56 2008 From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close) Date: Thu Feb 14 08:21:25 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <200802131738.16102.theuteck@gmail.com> References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> <200802131738.16102.theuteck@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 5:38 PM, uteck wrote: > Have you looked at Vonage? I have been satisfied with them for years. I use > WOW for internet and they provide 3 IP's so I run the line from the cable > modem into a switch which supplies my phone adapter and my router. I used to > leave the phone behind the router, but I have the touch of death on routers > and have killed 5 in the last few years. i mentioned that i use WOW as my internet/cable provider now. i didn't mention that i too use Vonage and have been very happy with their service for over three years now. ;) -- Andrew Close From special.kevin at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 15:12:03 2008 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Thu Feb 14 08:32:29 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: Chicago GNU/Linux User Group Meeting Saturday February 16th at 3pm Message-ID: The Chicago GNU/Linux User Group will be having a meeting on Saturday, February 16th at 3:00 pm. We will be meeting at the Institute of Design on the 2nd Floor Room 202, 350 N. LaSalle, (http://tinyurl.com/34gkzt). For more information check out our website at http://www.chicagolug.org or join our mailing list at https://www.chicagolug.org/lists What: Chicago GNU/Linux User Group Meeting When: Saturday, February 16th @ 3:00 pm Where: Institute of Design, 350 N. LaSalle 2nd Floor (http://tinyurl.com/34gkzt) Presentations (Subject to Change) - Introduction to AJAX (Luca Matteis) - TBD (Jason Rexilius) -------------- next part -------------- -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From luni at pyewacket.org Thu Feb 14 12:42:10 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Thu Feb 14 13:42:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question Message-ID: <20080214124210.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.12e7ad86df.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Same here. WOW for cable TV & Internet, Vonage for phone. They have unlimited calling (local/long distance) or 500 minute/month packages. I like the fact they don't treat local and long distance differently (the phone companies cling to this obsolete model because they make a ton of money from it). I don't know if WOW phone does, but I have heard Commie-cast does and at one time even tried to use the Illinois Bell scam of A-B-C band calls charging more for local than LD. Plus a ton of features like you can have your voicemail messages sent to you as an MP3 attached to an email message, or have several phones ring (work/cell) when someone calls your Vonage number. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question > From: "Andrew Close" > Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 8:14 am > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 5:38 PM, uteck wrote: > > > Have you looked at Vonage? I have been satisfied with them for years. I use > > WOW for internet and they provide 3 IP's so I run the line from the cable > > modem into a switch which supplies my phone adapter and my router. I used to > > leave the phone behind the router, but I have the touch of death on routers > > and have killed 5 in the last few years. > > i mentioned that i use WOW as my internet/cable provider now. i > didn't mention that i too use Vonage and have been very happy with > their service for over three years now. ;) > > > -- > Andrew Close > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From me at heyjay.com Thu Feb 14 17:28:09 2008 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Thu Feb 14 17:28:12 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <20080214124210.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.12e7ad86df.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080214124210.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.12e7ad86df.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Mike Scott wrote: > Same here. WOW for cable TV & Internet, Vonage for phone. > They have unlimited calling (local/long distance) or 500 minute/month > packages. I like the fact they don't treat local and long distance > differently (the phone companies cling to this obsolete model because > they make a ton of money from it). I don't know if WOW phone does, but > I have heard Commie-cast does and at one time even tried to use the > Illinois Bell scam of A-B-C band calls charging more for local than LD. > Plus a ton of features like you can have your voicemail messages sent to > you as an MP3 attached to an email message, or have several phones ring > (work/cell) when someone calls your Vonage number. > > - Mike Scott How's the sound quality for Vonage? I tried telephone over IP about 7 years ago and it left a lot to be desired in terms of sound quality. Also, isn't there some issue with 911 and IP phones? thanks Jay From mhencin at yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 15:31:06 2008 From: mhencin at yahoo.com (Michael Hencin) Date: Thu Feb 14 17:31:14 2008 Subject: [LUNI] RE: Comcast bundle question (Mike Hencin) Message-ID: <444798.57157.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have Vonage and am very happy with them. I also have ATT broadband with some static IP that run me about $50 a month. Again happy with the service, but am in the market for something cheaper. As to Skype I want to describe my setup as I think its perfect and amazing cheap. I got skype pro and a Skype IN number. This way I have a phone number anyone can call. I can make calls to the us/canada to land line as well. I bought a Phillips VOIP 841. This is basically a cordless phone that uses skype. I LOVE it. It does not need a pc, you just plug it into your network and enter your skype acct inormation. Then you can not only make calls to skype people but land line as well. It works for all purposes just like my Vonage phone. Only reason I keep vonage is I also have a fax number with them. I Highly recommend the Skype route. The phone will run about $120 or so maybe $99. I got mine on Amazon. Skype PRO with all the above I mentioned runs about $3 a month. So thats only about $30 a year! Can't beat that! ----- Original Message ---- From: "luni-request@luni.org" To: luni@luni.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:00:06 PM Subject: luni Digest, Vol 60, Issue 8 Send luni mailing list submissions to luni@luni.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to luni-request@luni.org You can reach the person managing the list at luni-owner@luni.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of luni digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Comcast bundle question (uteck) 2. Re: Comcast bundle question (Andrew Close) 3. ANN: Chicago GNU/Linux User Group Meeting Saturday February 16th at 3pm (Kevin Harriss) 4. RE: Comcast bundle question (Mike Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:38:15 -0600 From: uteck Subject: Re: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Message-ID: <200802131738.16102.theuteck@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Wednesday 13 February 2008 8:24:24 am Andrew Close wrote: > On Feb 12, 2008 11:48 PM, Brian Sobolak wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2008 10:02 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: > > > I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get > > > phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? > > > > > > Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering > > > getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not > > > interested in cable. > > > > > > I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine > > > definitively what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am > > > interested in knowing the real price, not the introductory price. > > > > Have you looked into Speakeasy? They do a better job of bundling DSL > > and VOIP than speakeasy does (imho). Comcast had faster downloads, > > but I generally preferred the VOIP from Speakeasy. Also, their > > customer service was good; Comcast's totally stinks. > > > > If it matters to you, Speakeasy has free landline calls to many places > > in the world; Comcast charges like an old school long distance > > company. > > if it's available in your area, you could look into WOW (Wide Open > West) Cable. they have a package similar to the Comcast Triple Play > for $99/month until 2009 or 2010..? > i switched from Comcast Internet to WOW Internet & Cable because my > Comcast Internet connection kept dropping and behaving strangely. > i've been with WOW for about three/four months now and have been happy > with their level of service. Have you looked at Vonage? I have been satisfied with them for years. I use WOW for internet and they provide 3 IP's so I run the line from the cable modem into a switch which supplies my phone adapter and my router. I used to leave the phone behind the router, but I have the touch of death on routers and have killed 5 in the last few years. I have heard good things for Skype, but I have not used them. You can always give them a try without any long commitment. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:14:56 -0600 From: "Andrew Close" Subject: Re: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 5:38 PM, uteck wrote: > Have you looked at Vonage? I have been satisfied with them for years. I use > WOW for internet and they provide 3 IP's so I run the line from the cable > modem into a switch which supplies my phone adapter and my router. I used to > leave the phone behind the router, but I have the touch of death on routers > and have killed 5 in the last few years. i mentioned that i use WOW as my internet/cable provider now. i didn't mention that i too use Vonage and have been very happy with their service for over three years now. ;) -- Andrew Close ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:12:03 -0600 From: Kevin Harriss Subject: [LUNI] ANN: Chicago GNU/Linux User Group Meeting Saturday February 16th at 3pm To: Chicago Linux Discuss , ChicagoTeam , chicagolinux-announce@chicagolug.org, luni-announce@luni.org, dlc@mailman.depaul.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Chicago GNU/Linux User Group will be having a meeting on Saturday, February 16th at 3:00 pm. We will be meeting at the Institute of Design on the 2nd Floor Room 202, 350 N. LaSalle, (http://tinyurl.com/34gkzt). For more information check out our website at http://www.chicagolug.org or join our mailing list at https://www.chicagolug.org/lists What: Chicago GNU/Linux User Group Meeting When: Saturday, February 16th @ 3:00 pm Where: Institute of Design, 350 N. LaSalle 2nd Floor (http://tinyurl.com/34gkzt) Presentations (Subject to Change) - Introduction to AJAX (Luca Matteis) - TBD (Jason Rexilius) -------------- next part -------------- -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:42:10 -0700 From: Mike Scott Subject: RE: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Message-ID: <20080214124210.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.12e7ad86df.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Same here. WOW for cable TV & Internet, Vonage for phone. They have unlimited calling (local/long distance) or 500 minute/month packages. I like the fact they don't treat local and long distance differently (the phone companies cling to this obsolete model because they make a ton of money from it). I don't know if WOW phone does, but I have heard Commie-cast does and at one time even tried to use the Illinois Bell scam of A-B-C band calls charging more for local than LD. Plus a ton of features like you can have your voicemail messages sent to you as an MP3 attached to an email message, or have several phones ring (work/cell) when someone calls your Vonage number. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question > From: "Andrew Close" > Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 8:14 am > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 5:38 PM, uteck wrote: > > > Have you looked at Vonage? I have been satisfied with them for years. I use > > WOW for internet and they provide 3 IP's so I run the line from the cable > > modem into a switch which supplies my phone adapter and my router. I used to > > leave the phone behind the router, but I have the touch of death on routers > > and have killed 5 in the last few years. > > i mentioned that i use WOW as my internet/cable provider now. i > didn't mention that i too use Vonage and have been very happy with > their service for over three years now. ;) > > > -- > Andrew Close > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni ------------------------------ -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni End of luni Digest, Vol 60, Issue 8 *********************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From theuteck at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 19:31:47 2008 From: theuteck at gmail.com (bil Jeschke) Date: Thu Feb 14 19:33:33 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: References: <20080214124210.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.12e7ad86df.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200802141931.47466.bil@jeschke.homelinux.net> On Thursday 14 February 2008 5:28:09 pm Jay Strauss wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Mike Scott wrote: > > Same here. WOW for cable TV & Internet, Vonage for phone. > > They have unlimited calling (local/long distance) or 500 minute/month > > packages. I like the fact they don't treat local and long distance > > differently (the phone companies cling to this obsolete model because > > they make a ton of money from it). I don't know if WOW phone does, but > > I have heard Commie-cast does and at one time even tried to use the > > Illinois Bell scam of A-B-C band calls charging more for local than LD. > > Plus a ton of features like you can have your voicemail messages sent to > > you as an MP3 attached to an email message, or have several phones ring > > (work/cell) when someone calls your Vonage number. > > > > - Mike Scott > > How's the sound quality for Vonage? I tried telephone over IP about 7 > years ago and it left a lot to be desired in terms of sound quality. > > Also, isn't there some issue with 911 and IP phones? > > thanks > Jay The sound is good, provided you are not running lots of Bittorrents on your network. Vonage lets you control how much bandwidth calls use so slower connections can use more compression. Of course this lowers the quality, but it still works. For 911, you enter your address into your account so when you dial 911 the call is routed proper and your address is passed on. Not a big deal as some would make it out to be. From sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 23:35:46 2008 From: sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug) Date: Thu Feb 14 23:35:45 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <47B524B2.7010700@comcast.net> Note that at regular prices, broadband plus analog cable is only a dollar or few more than broadband only. Also, if you call up, you can get a new discounted price after paying the full price for (IIRC) 6 or 12 months. Eric MacAdie wrote: > I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get > phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? > > Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering > getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not > interested in cable. > > I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine > definitively what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am > interested in knowing the real price, not the introductory price. > > Eric MacAdie > -- Carey Tyler Schug From aclose at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 08:11:41 2008 From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close) Date: Fri Feb 15 08:11:45 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <200802141931.47466.bil@jeschke.homelinux.net> References: <20080214124210.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.12e7ad86df.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <200802141931.47466.bil@jeschke.homelinux.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:31 PM, bil Jeschke wrote: > > On Thursday 14 February 2008 5:28:09 pm Jay Strauss wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Mike Scott wrote: > > How's the sound quality for Vonage? I tried telephone over IP about 7 > > years ago and it left a lot to be desired in terms of sound quality. > > > > Also, isn't there some issue with 911 and IP phones? > > The sound is good, provided you are not running lots of Bittorrents on your > network. Vonage lets you control how much bandwidth calls use so slower > connections can use more compression. Of course this lowers the quality, but > it still works. > For 911, you enter your address into your account so when you dial 911 the > call is routed proper and your address is passed on. Not a big deal as some > would make it out to be. i'll second that. i've only once had an issue with a Vonage call, and i happened to be downloading multiple torrents at the time :) it was weird cause i could hear everything thing fine (download is a much fatter pipe than upload) but the person on the other end kept asking me to repeat things because i was cutting out. you have several ways to tweak your call settings as well. through the Vonage dashboard you can adjust the call quality; i keep mine at the middle range level and it's perfectly fine. if you have a more recent or advanced router/switch or are running one of the third party linux installations on your router you can use the bandwidth shaping features that will always keep a segment of your upload/download available for phone use, or whatever. i haven't bothered to really look into the second option because i really don't have any issues with with our phone quality. -- Andrew Close From luni at pyewacket.org Fri Feb 15 09:34:40 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Fri Feb 15 10:34:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question Message-ID: <20080215093440.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.57ff537233.wbe@email.secureserver.net> It has been good for the most part. I sometimes have trouble with Vonage to cell phones. I don't know if it has to do with multiple voice compressions or analog-digital-analog-digital conversions. I have also gotten the occasional unable to complete call (about twice in 2+ years). Hang up and redial and it goes through. But it IS the internet. I think of it as 404 error on the web. Overall, I am very pleased with them and would recommend them. One other thing, if you have a friend on Vonage and use their phone number when signing up, you each get a $15 credit. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question > From: "Jay Strauss" > Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 5:28 pm > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > > How's the sound quality for Vonage? I tried telephone over IP about 7 > years ago and it left a lot to be desired in terms of sound quality. > > Also, isn't there some issue with 911 and IP phones? > > thanks > Jay > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From weigell1 at comcast.net Fri Feb 15 17:46:26 2008 From: weigell1 at comcast.net (weigell1@comcast.net) Date: Fri Feb 15 11:46:35 2008 Subject: [LUNI]What's required to Change from Comcast to WOW? Message-ID: <021520081746.6097.47B5CFF200007D63000017D12213575333CE04040A09070A99@comcast.net> ' just wondering about packages, performance, features etc. Larry Weigel -- "The only real valuable thing is intuition." - A. Einstein -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Carey Tyler Schug > Note that at regular prices, broadband plus analog cable is only a > dollar or few more than broadband only. > > Also, if you call up, you can get a new discounted price after paying > the full price for (IIRC) 6 or 12 months. > > Eric MacAdie wrote: > > I hope nobody regards this as prying: but does anybody on the list get > > phone and broadband from Comcast? What does it cost? > > > > Right now I have broadband, and it costs $60/month. I am considering > > getting the phone package as well. I do not have a TV and am not > > interested in cable. > > > > I looked on Comcast's site, and I was not able to determine > > definitively what a phone and broadband bundle would cost. I am > > interested in knowing the real price, not the introductory price. > > > > Eric MacAdie > > > > -- > Carey Tyler Schug > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From me at heyjay.com Fri Feb 15 13:10:45 2008 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Fri Feb 15 13:10:49 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <20080215093440.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.57ff537233.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080215093440.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.57ff537233.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Can you hook Vonage into your main telephone wiring harness in your house so that all the phones use the existing wires, but new service. Or do I have to buy multiple new phones? On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Mike Scott wrote: > It has been good for the most part. I sometimes have trouble with > Vonage to cell phones. > I don't know if it has to do with multiple voice compressions or > analog-digital-analog-digital conversions. > I have also gotten the occasional unable to complete call (about twice > in 2+ years). > Hang up and redial and it goes through. But it IS the internet. I > think of it as 404 error on the web. > Overall, I am very pleased with them and would recommend them. > > One other thing, if you have a friend on Vonage and use their phone > number when signing up, you each get a $15 credit. > > - Mike Scott > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question > > From: "Jay Strauss" > > Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 5:28 pm > > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > > > > > > How's the sound quality for Vonage? I tried telephone over IP about 7 > > years ago and it left a lot to be desired in terms of sound quality. > > > > Also, isn't there some issue with 911 and IP phones? > > > > thanks > > Jay > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From aclose at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 13:30:01 2008 From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close) Date: Fri Feb 15 13:30:05 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: References: <20080215093440.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.57ff537233.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Jay Strauss wrote: > Can you hook Vonage into your main telephone wiring harness in your > house so that all the phones use the existing wires, but new service. > Or do I have to buy multiple new phones? you can hook it in to the whole house. you should just remember to unhook the old service line first to prevent some kind of feedback or voltage issue. not a problem if you have Cable Internet. may be an issue with DSL. i have my whole house wired for Vonage via the standard phone wall outlets... -- Andrew Close From eric at macadie.net Fri Feb 15 19:57:53 2008 From: eric at macadie.net (Eric MacAdie) Date: Fri Feb 15 19:58:03 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <46907.69.17.21.59.1202915308.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> <46907.69.17.21.59.1202915308.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <47B64321.3080404@MacAdie.net> Thanks for all the responses. So I take it that Best Buy has not ruined Speakeasy. Has anybody noticed a change? Eric MacAdie Steve Pribyl wrote: > I would second the speakeasy recommendation. I have been using them for > years in the dsl/voip mode and have been very pleased. This includes > their support. > > I also praise you non-tv owning. > > Steve > >> On Feb 12, 2008 11:48 PM, Brian Sobolak wrote: >> >>> Have you looked into Speakeasy? They do a better job of bundling DSL >>> and VOIP than speakeasy does (imho). Comcast had faster downloads, >>> but I generally preferred the VOIP from Speakeasy. Also, their >>> customer service was good; Comcast's totally stinks. >>> >>> If it matters to you, Speakeasy has free landline calls to many places >>> in the world; Comcast charges like an old school long distance >>> company. >>> From maney at two14.net Sat Feb 16 05:06:07 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Sat Feb 16 05:06:26 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <47B64321.3080404@MacAdie.net> References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> <46907.69.17.21.59.1202915308.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> <47B64321.3080404@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <20080216110607.GA23395@furrr.two14.net> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 07:57:53PM -0600, Eric MacAdie wrote: > So I take it that Best Buy has not ruined Speakeasy. Has anybody noticed a > change? Yes. I think the (still infrequent) promotional messages they send me, as an ongoing customer, have taken a more business-oriented tone - how great VOIP is for your business kind of thing. Then again, that shift may have begun before Best Buy was involved. -- The Internet discourages reflection and deep thought. It encourages just glossing over, as quick as possible. The Internet is a terrific way to look up facts and a terrible way to get a story. -- Clifford Stoll From linux at unliketea.com Sat Feb 16 07:11:43 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Sat Feb 16 07:11:51 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <59742.10.16.1.119.1203167281.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <47B26BD5.2030007@MacAdie.net> <46907.69.17.21.59.1202915308.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> <47B64321.3080404@MacAdie.net> <59742.10.16.1.119.1203167281.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <59790.10.16.1.119.1203167503.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> I had some problems during transition as they were ramping up service staff. However, since then it seems about the same. Steve >> Thanks for all the responses. >> >> So I take it that Best Buy has not ruined Speakeasy. Has anybody noticed >> a change? >> >> Eric MacAdie >> >> Steve Pribyl wrote: >>> I would second the speakeasy recommendation. I have been using them >>> for >>> years in the dsl/voip mode and have been very pleased. This includes >>> their support. >>> >>> I also praise you non-tv owning. >>> >>> Steve >>> From luni at pyewacket.org Sat Feb 16 13:47:26 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Sat Feb 16 14:47:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again Message-ID: <20080216134726.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.3dcb2ae095.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I just put together a new system using one of the barebones kits from TigerDirect. It's a Core-2 duo with a nVidia XFX 680i mobo and nVidia 8600 video card and 2G PC6400 RAM (about $400 after rebates). I wouldn't recommend this particular bundle as the case is crap. It is the Ultra black aluminum with a plexiglass side and is pretty flimsy. Since you can't mix and match, I ended up buying a CoolerMaster case, and of course the CPU fan is not included. I have been happy with Ubuntu since I ditched all Novell products (including SuSe Linux), but I just bought the Fedora 8 Bible and it has the install DVD for FC8 included. My main reason for looking at Fedora is I am hoping to find something that will work with the WiFi card on my Sony Vaio. I decided to give it a shot on this system and it is pretty impressive. It recognized all the peripherals and the video and sound cards right out of the box. I connected to my networked HP LaserJet 3600n (I love HP printers) and so far haven't even had to open a command prompt. I just have to restore my files from my external USB hard drive and I should be full speed ahead. - Mike Scott From skie at dragonsvalley.com Sat Feb 16 15:20:24 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Sat Feb 16 16:11:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again In-Reply-To: <20080216134726.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.3dcb2ae095.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080216134726.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.3dcb2ae095.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200802161520.24500.skie@dragonsvalley.com> I was looking at putting together a new, relatively cheap computer since my current computer is over 5 years old. I think I'm looking at the right one that you bought (it's listed as $464.99 after rebates). It's the only one that I can find with the XFX motherboard for close to the $400 that you mentioned. How is the powersupply? Does it seem to be well built? I'm not familiar with Ultra PS's. Does the motherboard have enough room for everything to be plugged in without interfering with other stuff? I already have a case that I'll be using, so I don't care about the existing case. On Saturday 16 February 2008 2:47:26 pm Mike Scott wrote: > I just put together a new system using one of the barebones kits from > TigerDirect. > It's a Core-2 duo with a nVidia XFX 680i mobo and nVidia 8600 video card > and 2G PC6400 RAM (about $400 after rebates). > I wouldn't recommend this particular bundle as the case is crap. > It is the Ultra black aluminum with a plexiglass side and is pretty > flimsy. > Since you can't mix and match, I ended up buying a CoolerMaster case, > and of course the CPU fan is not included. > I have been happy with Ubuntu since I ditched all Novell products > (including SuSe Linux), but I just bought the Fedora 8 Bible and it has > the install DVD for FC8 included. > My main reason for looking at Fedora is I am hoping to find something > that will work with the WiFi card on my Sony Vaio. > I decided to give it a shot on this system and it is pretty impressive. > It recognized all the peripherals and the video and sound cards right > out of the box. > I connected to my networked HP LaserJet 3600n (I love HP printers) and > so far haven't even had to open a command prompt. > I just have to restore my files from my external USB hard drive and I > should be full speed ahead. > > - Mike Scott From mscott at pyewacket.org Sat Feb 16 15:52:36 2008 From: mscott at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Sat Feb 16 16:52:44 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again Message-ID: <20080216155236.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.6bd40a2d9c.wbe@email.secureserver.net> TD changes their special offers every week, so it is probably a lot of the same parts, just different packages. In fact, the week after I bought, they had a deal with a Quad core CPU and 4G of RAM. Same mobo, but no case, HDD, or video. The power supply in the Ultra was the only part that seemed decent, though the CooleMaster had its own. One thing the Ultra PS did right was to eliminate the bundle of wires on the secondary side. Instead they have a bunch of jacks on the side and they have various cables that you plug in between the power supply and peripherals. That way you don't have a lot of extra wires dangling inside the case. I'm sure they aren't the only ones that do that. The nVidia motherboard has a 6-pin connector for the additional 12V used by the P4 and my old case had a 4-pin. The docs say it will accept the 4-pin, but I like the idea of 3 pairs of wires in parallel carrying the 12v rather than 2. Anyway, another thing to avoid from TD is the $20 CPU fan. It uses cheap clips that were a struggle to get locked. I would recommend spending a bit more and getting a fan/heatsink combo that mounts with screws. If you do decide to get a new case the CooleMaster CM-690 is a tank. I would check out MicroCenter since I saw they are offering rebates and it ends up being about $90 instead of the $140 I paid. As for layout, the mobo seemed pretty good. I am only using a single video card, though it supports two in an SLI configuration. I'm not sure if Linux supports it yet and I don't do high-end graphics stuff anyway. The only card I plugged into it besides the video card, was the Adaptec SCSI card for my old Umax Astra 610S scanner. - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again > From: Branko Kotur > Date: Sat, February 16, 2008 3:20 pm > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > I was looking at putting together a new, relatively cheap computer since my > current computer is over 5 years old. I think I'm looking at the right one > that you bought (it's listed as $464.99 after rebates). It's the only one > that I can find with the XFX motherboard for close to the $400 that you > mentioned. > > How is the powersupply? Does it seem to be well built? I'm not familiar with > Ultra PS's. Does the motherboard have enough room for everything to be > plugged in without interfering with other stuff? I already have a case that > I'll be using, so I don't care about the existing case. From knura at yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 21:51:24 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Sun Feb 17 12:10:46 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: References: <20080215093440.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.57ff537233.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200802172151.24736.knura@yahoo.com> On Saturday 16 Feb 2008, Jay Strauss wrote: > Can you hook Vonage into your main telephone wiring harness in your > house so that all the phones use the existing wires, but new service. > Or do I have to buy multiple new phones? I don't see any reason precluding it if you are using an analog telephone adapter. Just hook the house tel. wiring to the RJ11 port. HTH -- Arun Khan From scott at cashnetusa.com Sun Feb 17 13:22:04 2008 From: scott at cashnetusa.com (William Scott Lockwood III) Date: Sun Feb 17 13:51:41 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question In-Reply-To: <200802172151.24736.knura@yahoo.com> References: <20080215093440.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.57ff537233.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <200802172151.24736.knura@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1203276124.8491.0.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> Make darn sure that no one hooks you back up to the outside, or your ATA may go snap-crackle-pop... -----Original Message----- From: Arun Khan Reply-To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: Re: [LUNI] Comcast bundle question Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:51:24 +0530 On Saturday 16 Feb 2008, Jay Strauss wrote: > Can you hook Vonage into your main telephone wiring harness in your > house so that all the phones use the existing wires, but new service. > Or do I have to buy multiple new phones? I don't see any reason precluding it if you are using an analog telephone adapter. Just hook the house tel. wiring to the RJ11 port. HTH -- Arun Khan -- W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA IT Compliance Dude 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 (312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ From tcameron at redhat.com Sun Feb 17 23:27:19 2008 From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)) Date: Sun Feb 17 23:27:09 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again In-Reply-To: <20080216134726.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.3dcb2ae095.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080216134726.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.3dcb2ae095.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <47B91737.4040606@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Scott wrote: > I just put together a new system using one of the barebones kits from > TigerDirect. > It's a Core-2 duo with a nVidia XFX 680i mobo and nVidia 8600 video card > and 2G PC6400 RAM (about $400 after rebates). > I wouldn't recommend this particular bundle as the case is crap. > It is the Ultra black aluminum with a plexiglass side and is pretty > flimsy. > Since you can't mix and match, I ended up buying a CoolerMaster case, > and of course the CPU fan is not included. > I have been happy with Ubuntu since I ditched all Novell products > (including SuSe Linux), but I just bought the Fedora 8 Bible and it has > the install DVD for FC8 included. > My main reason for looking at Fedora is I am hoping to find something > that will work with the WiFi card on my Sony Vaio. > I decided to give it a shot on this system and it is pretty impressive. > It recognized all the peripherals and the video and sound cards right > out of the box. > I connected to my networked HP LaserJet 3600n (I love HP printers) and > so far haven't even had to open a command prompt. > I just have to restore my files from my external USB hard drive and I > should be full speed ahead. I've actually been pretty impressed with Fedora 8 as well. For obvious reasons, I have been using RHEL 5 on all my machines at home and at work since I work with it, but DAMN, Fedora 8 is just sweet. The new compiz-fusion stuff is hella cool. I posted an ogg video of my desktop at http://www.camerontech.com/compiz-fusion-dual-head.ogg just for giggles. I had to make it small so the quality is not too great, but it's still pretty neat. - -- Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHuRc3mzle50YHwaARAgmiAKCtjRjoC7v//9x6t/t8S/dQpWEiiACbBNQa pLNBR2g85LAHmsqaRHfzG0k= =7BCz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mark at msbrepairs.com Mon Feb 18 09:22:25 2008 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Mon Feb 18 09:22:39 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again In-Reply-To: <47B91737.4040606@redhat.com> References: <20080216134726.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.3dcb2ae095.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <47B91737.4040606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47B9A2B1.4060702@msbrepairs.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20080218/0bd31d3a/attachment.htm From skie at dragonsvalley.com Mon Feb 18 10:00:47 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Mon Feb 18 10:02:21 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? Message-ID: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> I've just recently bought parts for a new computer and will be gutting my old computer for a few extra parts that I didn't buy. This has led me to put some thought into what distro I'll be installing. Currently, I'm using Gentoo for my main system, but I'm on the fence as to if I want to spend a few days with no computer (aside from my aging laptop) while I wait for everything to compile. I've been a Gentoo user for a few years, but the prospect of another long install and even longer process of trying to get things to work the way I want them to, I'm thinking of switching to something easier and faster. While I love Gentoo once it's up and running, I just don't think I want to go through that hassle yet again. I've recently used Fedora 7 and Ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop and was wondering what other distros everyone is using so that I can evaluate them against my needs/wants. I'll be doing the surgery later this week (I may wait until the weekend), so I'll be dowloading ISO's within the next few days. While I don't mind tinkering with things here and there, I'd like most things to just work right out of the box. I just don't want to spend 3 - 5 days doing nothing but compiling until KDE is up and running. From luni at pyewacket.org Mon Feb 18 09:32:38 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Mon Feb 18 10:32:46 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again Message-ID: <20080218093238.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.85ed8907f4.wbe@email.secureserver.net> The only snag I've hit so far is my video card (not really Fedora's fault, but rather mine). Apparently the 3D drivers for nVidia cards are not yet available (the Bible says they are still under development). This means I don't get to try out the desktop effects (like wobbly windows or the desktop cube) just yet. I should be able to try them on my laptop which has an ATI graphics chipset. Had I known, I probably would have opted for the ATI card. Anyone have any ideas on availability? Should I bug the nVidia folks? - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again > From: "Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)" > Date: Sun, February 17, 2008 11:27 pm > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > I've actually been pretty impressed with Fedora 8 as well. For obvious > reasons, I have been using RHEL 5 on all my machines at home and at work > since I work with it, but DAMN, Fedora 8 is just sweet. > > The new compiz-fusion stuff is hella cool. I posted an ogg video of my > desktop at http://www.camerontech.com/compiz-fusion-dual-head.ogg just > for giggles. I had to make it small so the quality is not too great, > but it's still pretty neat. > - -- > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT > Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region > 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax > > Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: > http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHuRc3mzle50YHwaARAgmiAKCtjRjoC7v//9x6t/t8S/dQpWEiiACbBNQa > pLNBR2g85LAHmsqaRHfzG0k= > =7BCz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From trev at advanced-reality.com Mon Feb 18 10:40:09 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Mon Feb 18 10:39:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> Hey Branto, Unfortunately, I would recommend avoiding Gentoo. The last year plus many common Gentoo packages (Gnome, Evolution, OpenOffice, etc) have serious bugs and the stable versions are falling further and further behind the current release versions. I've been using Gentoo for over 6 years now and last month converted to Ubuntu because of the time the bugs were costing me. I will say I am quite happy with Ubuntu. HTH, -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From skie at dragonsvalley.com Mon Feb 18 10:55:04 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Mon Feb 18 10:56:38 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again In-Reply-To: <20080218093238.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.85ed8907f4.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080218093238.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.85ed8907f4.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200802181055.04630.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Are you using the free nvidia driver or the closed source driver? I've always had better luck with nvidia then with ATI, but I've always used the closed source drivers. On Monday 18 February 2008 10:32:38 am Mike Scott wrote: > The only snag I've hit so far is my video card (not really Fedora's > fault, but rather mine). > Apparently the 3D drivers for nVidia cards are not yet available (the > Bible says they are still under development). > This means I don't get to try out the desktop effects (like wobbly > windows or the desktop cube) just yet. > I should be able to try them on my laptop which has an ATI graphics > chipset. > Had I known, I probably would have opted for the ATI card. Anyone have > any ideas on availability? > Should I bug the nVidia folks? > > - Mike Scott > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again > > From: "Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)" > > Date: Sun, February 17, 2008 11:27 pm > > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > > > I've actually been pretty impressed with Fedora 8 as well. For obvious > > reasons, I have been using RHEL 5 on all my machines at home and at work > > since I work with it, but DAMN, Fedora 8 is just sweet. > > > > The new compiz-fusion stuff is hella cool. I posted an ogg video of my > > desktop at http://www.camerontech.com/compiz-fusion-dual-head.ogg just > > for giggles. I had to make it small so the quality is not too great, > > but it's still pretty neat. > > - -- > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT > > Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region > > 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax > > > > Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: > > http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFHuRc3mzle50YHwaARAgmiAKCtjRjoC7v//9x6t/t8S/dQpWEiiACbBNQa > > pLNBR2g85LAHmsqaRHfzG0k= > > =7BCz > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From skie at dragonsvalley.com Mon Feb 18 10:59:00 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:00:34 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> Message-ID: <200802181059.00124.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Yeah, I have noticed that packages have been lagging behind other distros. The only real problem that I've had (other then the long compile times when starting with a blank hard drive) has been packages that don't compile properly because another package wasn't updated. Since I only upgrade every few months or when I want one particular package updated right then and there, it's not a huge issue for me. It's something I can deal with. Personally, I like Portage much better then any other package manager. On Monday 18 February 2008 10:40:09 am Trev Peterson wrote: > Hey Branto, > > Unfortunately, I would recommend avoiding Gentoo. The last year plus > many common Gentoo packages (Gnome, Evolution, OpenOffice, etc) have > serious bugs and the stable versions are falling further and further > behind the current release versions. I've been using Gentoo for over 6 > years now and last month converted to Ubuntu because of the time the > bugs were costing me. I will say I am quite happy with Ubuntu. > > HTH, > -- > Trev Peterson > Advanced Reality > Email: trev@advanced-reality.com > Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From tcameron at redhat.com Mon Feb 18 11:12:12 2008 From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:12:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again In-Reply-To: <20080218093238.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.85ed8907f4.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080218093238.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.85ed8907f4.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <47B9BC6C.9030207@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Scott wrote: > The only snag I've hit so far is my video card (not really Fedora's > fault, but rather mine). > Apparently the 3D drivers for nVidia cards are not yet available (the > Bible says they are still under development). > This means I don't get to try out the desktop effects (like wobbly > windows or the desktop cube) just yet. > I should be able to try them on my laptop which has an ATI graphics > chipset. > Had I known, I probably would have opted for the ATI card. Anyone have > any ideas on availability? > Should I bug the nVidia folks? Yeah, unforch the community has no visibility into what NVidia does. All we can do is say "I bought your stuff, sure would be nice if I could actually use it. Oh, and you should really release your drivers as Open Source." - -- Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHubxsmzle50YHwaARAsxWAJ9zpLBOWciAoVXknh9Jbfe6+iZrXACgpZAg YZ5j5Y8LEXlI+8zu6Gc0Q80= =jJAw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tcameron at redhat.com Mon Feb 18 11:14:44 2008 From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:14:24 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <47B9BD04.20308@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Branko Kotur wrote: > I've just recently bought parts for a new computer and will be gutting my old > computer for a few extra parts that I didn't buy. This has led me to put > some thought into what distro I'll be installing. Currently, I'm using > Gentoo for my main system, but I'm on the fence as to if I want to spend a > few days with no computer (aside from my aging laptop) while I wait for > everything to compile. I've been a Gentoo user for a few years, but the > prospect of another long install and even longer process of trying to get > things to work the way I want them to, I'm thinking of switching to something > easier and faster. While I love Gentoo once it's up and running, I just > don't think I want to go through that hassle yet again. > > I've recently used Fedora 7 and Ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop and was wondering > what other distros everyone is using so that I can evaluate them against my > needs/wants. I'll be doing the surgery later this week (I may wait until the > weekend), so I'll be dowloading ISO's within the next few days. While I > don't mind tinkering with things here and there, I'd like most things to just > work right out of the box. I just don't want to spend 3 - 5 days doing > nothing but compiling until KDE is up and running. Fedora 8 is actually a lot better than 7, much more than you would expect with a single release difference. It's pretty smooth. Obviously, for work I use Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.1. Very solid, very stable, very boring (in the right way for enterprise computing). - -- Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHub0Emzle50YHwaARAnOpAKC/OK5q1opeOBem/s4pAAYR2rfiKwCgoL1n 94/ifFWEl5rPBTTz8DmNz/4= =bgNA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From trev at advanced-reality.com Mon Feb 18 11:25:57 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:25:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <200802181059.00124.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <200802181059.00124.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <1203355557.6605.189.camel@aegir> Agreed, portage is a fantastic package manager. I prefer it to apt for local repository support (good for development) and package version restrictions (you can choose to install only a specific version of a package even if newer versions become available). Unfortunately, one of the main tools I used to determine info on uninstalled packages was packages.gentoo.org which has been non-functional for many months (almost a year?) and still does not work effectively. -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From scott at cashnetusa.com Mon Feb 18 11:30:17 2008 From: scott at cashnetusa.com (William Scott Lockwood III) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:30:22 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> Message-ID: <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> I'm really curious - do you see any big performance hit switching to Ubuntu? The whole reason to run Gentoo seems to be trying to squeeze extra performance out of the hardware, which is an argument I've never bought. What's been your experience? -----Original Message----- From: Trev Peterson Hey Branto, Unfortunately, I would recommend avoiding Gentoo. From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 18 09:39:31 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:39:37 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <292523.79921.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm currently running Debian Etch on my main laptop. I really have no complaints regarding its use. I've also tried both Ubuntu 7.10 (Debian derived) and PCLinuxOS 2007 (Mandriva derived), and liked them both. PCLOS was particularly good at hardware detection. I also have an old laptop (600MHz, 128MB RAM) that I installed Xubuntu 7.10 on, and it's operating just fine with that. Rob Smith Branko Kotur wrote: I've just recently bought parts for a new computer and will be gutting my old computer for a few extra parts that I didn't buy. This has led me to put some thought into what distro I'll be installing. Currently, I'm using Gentoo for my main system, but I'm on the fence as to if I want to spend a few days with no computer (aside from my aging laptop) while I wait for everything to compile. I've been a Gentoo user for a few years, but the prospect of another long install and even longer process of trying to get things to work the way I want them to, I'm thinking of switching to something easier and faster. While I love Gentoo once it's up and running, I just don't think I want to go through that hassle yet again. I've recently used Fedora 7 and Ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop and was wondering what other distros everyone is using so that I can evaluate them against my needs/wants. I'll be doing the surgery later this week (I may wait until the weekend), so I'll be dowloading ISO's within the next few days. While I don't mind tinkering with things here and there, I'd like most things to just work right out of the box. I just don't want to spend 3 - 5 days doing nothing but compiling until KDE is up and running. -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Mon Feb 18 11:48:28 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:48:34 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <1203355557.6605.189.camel@aegir> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <200802181059.00124.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203355557.6605.189.camel@aegir> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0802180948o7be551bdw83d9c44f2fd1d50d@mail.gmail.com> emerge eix, it's a great tool for browising your portage really fast. Unless I misunderstood your comment. -- Samir On 2/18/08, Trev Peterson wrote: > > Agreed, portage is a fantastic package manager. I prefer it to apt for > local repository support (good for development) and package version > restrictions (you can choose to install only a specific version of a > package even if newer versions become available). Unfortunately, one of > the main tools I used to determine info on uninstalled packages was > packages.gentoo.org which has been non-functional for many months > (almost a year?) and still does not work effectively. > > > -- > > Trev Peterson > Advanced Reality > Email: trev@advanced-reality.com > Phone: +1 847 406 9018 > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From mattw at webtripper.com Mon Feb 18 11:51:05 2008 From: mattw at webtripper.com (Matt Wehland) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:51:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> Message-ID: <200802181151.05867.mattw@webtripper.com> I have just installed Ubuntu on my laptops and like it, but I think I may be going back to Debian just because I'd like a little more control over what is initially installed. It just depends on whether I want to play around or just keep working, I have no real problems with Ubuntu. I am just curious how a stock Debian install will work. Ubuntu has worked fine on the laptops (Toshiba Satellite A205-S5804) The only issue is the wireless card, which I knew about before purchasing. A realtek that sits on the USB bus. I've gotten it working unencrypted, but haven't gotten WEP working yet. I haven't run Red Hat in years, so no comparison there. If you just want to get up and running quickly then Ubuntu seems to be a great workstation distro. Just remember there is no root account, the initial account can sudu for root access. Matt Wehland From trev at advanced-reality.com Mon Feb 18 11:57:30 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Mon Feb 18 11:57:09 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> Message-ID: <1203357450.6605.203.camel@aegir> Nothing noticeable compared with Ubuntu. I can say that years ago when I switched from Mandrake to Gentoo their was a quite noticeable performance increase but that was likely a Mandrake issue. In the 6 + years I used it most Gentooers were not in it for the extra percent or two theoretical performance increase. In addition I believe RedHat, Suse and possibly Ubuntu tweak their kernels for more performance than Gentoo. On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 11:30 -0600, William Scott Lockwood III wrote: > I'm really curious - do you see any big performance hit switching to > Ubuntu? The whole reason to run Gentoo seems to be trying to squeeze > extra performance out of the hardware, which is an argument I've never > bought. What's been your experience? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trev Peterson > > Hey Branto, > > Unfortunately, I would recommend avoiding Gentoo. > > -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From special.kevin at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 12:13:43 2008 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Mon Feb 18 12:13:46 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: Currently I am using Foresight Linux[1] and have been so for about 2+ years now. It is a very nice and current distro with a very welcoming community. Before that I was using Gentoo, Ubuntu and Debian but am much happier with Foresight. [1] http://www.foresightlinux.org Kevin On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Branko Kotur wrote: > I've just recently bought parts for a new computer and will be > gutting my old > computer for a few extra parts that I didn't buy. This has led me > to put > some thought into what distro I'll be installing. Currently, I'm > using > Gentoo for my main system, but I'm on the fence as to if I want to > spend a > few days with no computer (aside from my aging laptop) while I wait > for > everything to compile. I've been a Gentoo user for a few years, > but the > prospect of another long install and even longer process of trying > to get > things to work the way I want them to, I'm thinking of switching to > something > easier and faster. While I love Gentoo once it's up and running, I > just > don't think I want to go through that hassle yet again. > > I've recently used Fedora 7 and Ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop and was > wondering > what other distros everyone is using so that I can evaluate them > against my > needs/wants. I'll be doing the surgery later this week (I may wait > until the > weekend), so I'll be dowloading ISO's within the next few days. > While I > don't mind tinkering with things here and there, I'd like most > things to just > work right out of the box. I just don't want to spend 3 - 5 days > doing > nothing but compiling until KDE is up and running. > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Mon Feb 18 12:19:12 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Mon Feb 18 12:19:15 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0802181019yd967f34m6699669e59eea9ee@mail.gmail.com> I never used gentoo for that reason, and of the reason to use gentoo, I always thought the performance tweak was of the least appeal. I'd look into freebsd as well. They have some pretty impressive features though it isn't Linux, so a lot of things are going to be quiet different, but I do love their firewall, and ZFS and a few other features that are unique to freebsd atm. btw, I haven't had any problems with gentoo. The problems I have are due to me being sadistic enough to run KDE4 and firefox 3 and other alpha software on my main and only laptop. -- Samir On 2/18/08, William Scott Lockwood III wrote: > > I'm really curious - do you see any big performance hit switching to > Ubuntu? The whole reason to run Gentoo seems to be trying to squeeze > extra performance out of the hardware, which is an argument I've never > bought. What's been your experience? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trev Peterson > > Hey Branto, > > Unfortunately, I would recommend avoiding Gentoo. > > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From luni at pyewacket.org Mon Feb 18 11:37:20 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Mon Feb 18 12:37:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again Message-ID: <20080218113720.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.a0eaab5f8d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I'm currently using the one the distro picked (the nv driver). How do I go about getting the closed source driver? - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again > From: Branko Kotur > Date: Mon, February 18, 2008 10:55 am > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > Are you using the free nvidia driver or the closed source driver? I've always > had better luck with nvidia then with ATI, but I've always used the closed > source drivers. > > On Monday 18 February 2008 10:32:38 am Mike Scott wrote: > > The only snag I've hit so far is my video card (not really Fedora's > > fault, but rather mine). > > Apparently the 3D drivers for nVidia cards are not yet available (the > > Bible says they are still under development). > > This means I don't get to try out the desktop effects (like wobbly > > windows or the desktop cube) just yet. > > I should be able to try them on my laptop which has an ATI graphics > > chipset. > > Had I known, I probably would have opted for the ATI card. Anyone have > > any ideas on availability? > > Should I bug the nVidia folks? > > > > - Mike Scott > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again > > > From: "Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)" > > > Date: Sun, February 17, 2008 11:27 pm > > > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > > > > > > I've actually been pretty impressed with Fedora 8 as well. For obvious > > > reasons, I have been using RHEL 5 on all my machines at home and at work > > > since I work with it, but DAMN, Fedora 8 is just sweet. > > > > > > The new compiz-fusion stuff is hella cool. I posted an ogg video of my > > > desktop at http://www.camerontech.com/compiz-fusion-dual-head.ogg just > > > for giggles. I had to make it small so the quality is not too great, > > > but it's still pretty neat. > > > - -- > > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT > > > Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region > > > 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax > > > > > > Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: > > > http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > > > iD8DBQFHuRc3mzle50YHwaARAgmiAKCtjRjoC7v//9x6t/t8S/dQpWEiiACbBNQa > > > pLNBR2g85LAHmsqaRHfzG0k= > > > =7BCz > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From skie at dragonsvalley.com Mon Feb 18 12:54:56 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Mon Feb 18 12:56:31 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again In-Reply-To: <20080218113720.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.a0eaab5f8d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080218113720.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.a0eaab5f8d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200802181254.57400.skie@dragonsvalley.com> You can either download them directly from nVidia's website and install it manually (I think it's still provided as an RPM, but I haven't checked recently) or you can use YUM (http://www.fedorafaq.org/#nvidia). The only time I've had any problems with the nvidia driver was my own screw ups either with installing the driver or editing the X config file. With ATI, it was always a battle for me to get things working, even under Windows using ATI's latest installer. Althoguh, the latest Ubuntu and Fedora 7 seemed to install/configure the ATI driver just fine with a default install of the distro on my laptop (with an ATI). Which is surprising because it took me 2 days to get the Windows XP driver installed. On Monday 18 February 2008 12:37:20 pm Mike Scott wrote: > I'm currently using the one the distro picked (the nv driver). > How do I go about getting the closed source driver? > > - Mike Scott > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again > > From: Branko Kotur > > Date: Mon, February 18, 2008 10:55 am > > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > > > > > Are you using the free nvidia driver or the closed source driver? I've > > always had better luck with nvidia then with ATI, but I've always used > > the closed source drivers. > > > > On Monday 18 February 2008 10:32:38 am Mike Scott wrote: > > > The only snag I've hit so far is my video card (not really Fedora's > > > fault, but rather mine). > > > Apparently the 3D drivers for nVidia cards are not yet available (the > > > Bible says they are still under development). > > > This means I don't get to try out the desktop effects (like wobbly > > > windows or the desktop cube) just yet. > > > I should be able to try them on my laptop which has an ATI graphics > > > chipset. > > > Had I known, I probably would have opted for the ATI card. Anyone have > > > any ideas on availability? > > > Should I bug the nVidia folks? > > > > > > - Mike Scott > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Rockin' the Hat again > > > > From: "Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)" > > > > Date: Sun, February 17, 2008 11:27 pm > > > > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > I've actually been pretty impressed with Fedora 8 as well. For > > > > obvious reasons, I have been using RHEL 5 on all my machines at home > > > > and at work since I work with it, but DAMN, Fedora 8 is just sweet. > > > > > > > > The new compiz-fusion stuff is hella cool. I posted an ogg video of > > > > my desktop at http://www.camerontech.com/compiz-fusion-dual-head.ogg > > > > just for giggles. I had to make it small so the quality is not too > > > > great, but it's still pretty neat. > > > > - -- > > > > Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT > > > > Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region > > > > 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax > > > > > > > > Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.htm > > > >l -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFHuRc3mzle50YHwaARAgmiAKCtjRjoC7v//9x6t/t8S/dQpWEiiACbBNQa > > > > pLNBR2g85LAHmsqaRHfzG0k= > > > > =7BCz > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > > > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From scott at guppylog.com Mon Feb 18 12:44:25 2008 From: scott at guppylog.com (William Scott Lockwood III) Date: Mon Feb 18 13:11:22 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0802181019yd967f34m6699669e59eea9ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> <9db93b0e0802181019yd967f34m6699669e59eea9ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1203360265.22346.142.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> I love FreeBSD, but they can't seem to (or don't care to) fix the problem with keyboard controllers on Dell's. It's an existing problem that's been around longer than a year, and the new release (6.3) didn't address it at all. I was totally bummed out. I use FreeBSD for all my servers, but am stuck on Ubuntu for my laptop since it actually supports Dell hardware. -----Original Message----- From: Samir Faci Reply-To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: Re: [LUNI] What distro are you using? Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:19:12 -0600 I'd look into freebsd as well. They have some pretty impressive features though it isn't Linux, so a lot of things are going to be quiet different, but I do love their firewall, and ZFS and a few other features that are unique to freebsd atm. -- William Scott Lockwood III LRSE Hosting From jlitton at simulexinc.com Thu Feb 7 16:20:35 2008 From: jlitton at simulexinc.com (James Litton) Date: Mon Feb 18 13:11:41 2008 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Linux Systems Administrator West Lafayette IN Message-ID: <47AB7623.4050406@simulexinc.com> SIMULEX System Administrator / Technical Support Simulex is a high technology company located in the Purdue Research Park in West Lafayette, Indiana. Simulex recreates the real world in its many aspects (business, economic, social, political and infrastructure) using agent-based technology. 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PyCon 2008: March 14-16, 2008 Tutorial day: March 13 Free sprints: March 17-20 http://us.pycon.org Come to PyCon 2008 to: * meet interesting people in the Python community * learn about cool things others have done recently * show off the cool things you've done recently * learn about projects, tools & techniques * advance open source projects A sampling of this year's talks: * Core Python Containers -- Under the Hood * Running a Successful Usergroup * Programming for the One Laptop Per Child laptop * Python-powered Multitouch * The State of Django * High performance Network IO with Python + Libevent See http://us.pycon.org/2008/conference/talks/ for the full list. 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Kuchling amk@amk.ca Registration Manager, PyCon 2008 http://us.pycon.org -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 11:19:39 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Mon Feb 18 13:19:42 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2008 9:30 AM, William Scott Lockwood III wrote: > Ubuntu? The whole reason to run Gentoo seems to be trying to squeeze > extra performance out of the hardware, which is an argument I've never > bought. What's been your experience? Gentoo is faster, but not by a huge amount :-) It's enough to make a difference if you run a server, but most likely not for a desktop. I hear figures around < 10% advantage... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Mon Feb 18 16:00:37 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Mon Feb 18 16:00:46 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0802181400g50d04143j76648f101970e7af@mail.gmail.com> the reasons I use gentoo. #1 portage. I haven't found a package manager that includes nearly as many software packages out of the box.. and as simple to use. Apt-get comes close.. but i find myself adding 3rd party repos and breaking everything because of it. #2. it's a clean install. It's very minimalistic, if I don't need it, I don't install it. #3. It's extremely versatile. You always keep hearing that gentoo is the first distro to run on X, y, z. First distro that ran on Intel macs, supports a wide array of architectures. etc. #75 or so at the bottom is the speed.. whatever.. 10% ...2% don't really care that much.. i connect to gentoo over ssh + screen.. what do I care for the 2% increase. At least I don't for the uses I've had with it. I don't particularly like the fact that's I have to wait for it to compile.. but I do like the ability to pre-define what use flags/options i want and have it install just that. Although unrealistic.. a gentoo distro that's binary based would be ideal for me. But anyways... in the end pick somethin you're comfortable with. I'm a gentoo fanboy..and my sick twisted fetish for bleeding edge software (I always want to play with the latest thing that's out.. linux, windows.. etc), kind of goes hand in hand with gentoo. If I had the time to learn BSD I'd probably go with freebsd as an alternative. I tried using Ubuntu, but I just found out that it's not compatible with me... i try to set a config file and then their "user friendly" tools try to read my mind and override my configs. Or some other random thing that ends up breaking the distro one way or another. Anyways... if ANYONE but me is using ubuntu it's a very stable distro. Though I wouldn't use it for a server my 2 cents. -- Samir On 2/18/08, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2008 9:30 AM, William Scott Lockwood III > > wrote: > > Ubuntu? The whole reason to run Gentoo seems to be trying to squeeze > > extra performance out of the hardware, which is an argument I've never > > bought. What's been your experience? > > > Gentoo is faster, but not by a huge amount :-) It's enough to make a > difference if you run a server, but most likely not for a desktop. I > hear figures around < 10% advantage... > -- > Kristian Erik Hermansen > > -- > "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an > intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing > gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and > difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious > watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or > failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to > Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From ramin-list at badapple.net Mon Feb 18 14:40:32 2008 From: ramin-list at badapple.net (Ramin K) Date: Mon Feb 18 16:40:41 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> Message-ID: <47BA0960.3000905@badapple.net> William Scott Lockwood III wrote: > I'm really curious - do you see any big performance hit switching to > Ubuntu? The whole reason to run Gentoo seems to be trying to squeeze > extra performance out of the hardware, which is an argument I've never > bought. What's been your experience? Like Trev said Gentoo doesn't really have a noticeable increase in speed and any back in the day was probably because it was building around your actual arch instead of i386. Most distros are not doing at least i686 and with the move to x86_64 the whole thing is moot. I saw a bit better speed on the server side because Gentoo made it easy to go to nptl with glibc, the early 2.6 kernels weren't great and updating sooner was almost always better, and being about to switch to Mysql 4.1 (vastly superior to 4.0), etc. The Mysql update was nice in my case because you can force PHP to be built without Mysql libs and force Postfix to have them. That way when you update from 4.0 to 4.1 you have some idea of how many packages you're going to affect and can rebuild them to use the new rather than trying to update half your system. There are of course issues with Gentoo like any distro and I've never run it as a desktop. On the server I find the trade offs in greater flexibility over a bit less (in my experience) stability well worth it. Ramin From linux at unliketea.com Mon Feb 18 19:59:54 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Mon Feb 18 20:00:03 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <57919.10.16.1.103.1203386394.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> For Stability and Business - Fedora (7 currently) For the kids - Edubuntu(7.10 Currently) For the firewall - NetBSD (4.0 Currently) Steve > I've just recently bought parts for a new computer and will be gutting my > old > computer for a few extra parts that I didn't buy. This has led me to put > some thought into what distro I'll be installing. Currently, I'm using > Gentoo for my main system, but I'm on the fence as to if I want to spend a > few days with no computer (aside from my aging laptop) while I wait for > everything to compile. I've been a Gentoo user for a few years, but the > prospect of another long install and even longer process of trying to get > things to work the way I want them to, I'm thinking of switching to > something > easier and faster. While I love Gentoo once it's up and running, I just > don't think I want to go through that hassle yet again. > > I've recently used Fedora 7 and Ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop and was wondering > what other distros everyone is using so that I can evaluate them against > my > needs/wants. I'll be doing the surgery later this week (I may wait until > the > weekend), so I'll be dowloading ISO's within the next few days. While I > don't mind tinkering with things here and there, I'd like most things to > just > work right out of the box. I just don't want to spend 3 - 5 days doing > nothing but compiling until KDE is up and running. > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > From ohrock at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 23:19:40 2008 From: ohrock at gmail.com (Roberto Serrano) Date: Tue Feb 19 23:19:44 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Fwd: [UIC-LUG] Floruish Conference 2008 Registration is Open In-Reply-To: <59732.131.193.35.151.1203348191.squirrel@acm.cs.uic.edu> References: <59732.131.193.35.151.1203348191.squirrel@acm.cs.uic.edu> Message-ID: <3d76512f0802192119l4386bc66ld9d1dacc89d238d@mail.gmail.com> Just FYI! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joel Allen Luellwitz Date: Feb 18, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: [UIC-LUG] Floruish Conference 2008 Registration is Open To: LUG@listserv.uic.edu Hello Everyone, Registration for Flourish Conference 2008 is now open. Please register if you plan on attending: http://www.flourishconf.com/ Thank you, Joel Luellwitz From knura at yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 14:36:06 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Thu Feb 21 08:14:49 2008 Subject: [LUNI] usage metering software (time based) Message-ID: <200802211436.06954.knura@yahoo.com> I am looking for a usage metering (time based) package that I want to use to monitor video conferencing connections. I want to implement it on a Linux server. Prefer something that is available on open source platform (commercial OK). TIA, -- Arun Khan From maney at two14.net Thu Feb 21 13:43:17 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu Feb 21 13:43:25 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0802181019yd967f34m6699669e59eea9ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> <9db93b0e0802181019yd967f34m6699669e59eea9ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080221194317.GA13850@furrr.two14.net> On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:19:12PM -0600, Samir Faci wrote: > me being sadistic enough to run KDE4 and firefox 3 and other alpha software > on my main and only laptop. Uhm, no - that would be if you forced others to run the flakeware. Doing to your self is masochism. Just sayin' -- To be alive, is that not to be again and again surprised? -- Nicholas van Rijn From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Thu Feb 21 14:03:28 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Thu Feb 21 14:03:32 2008 Subject: [LUNI] What distro are you using? In-Reply-To: <20080221194317.GA13850@furrr.two14.net> References: <200802181000.48065.skie@dragonsvalley.com> <1203352809.6605.167.camel@aegir> <1203355818.22346.133.camel@scott-640m.chi.cashnetusa.com> <9db93b0e0802181019yd967f34m6699669e59eea9ee@mail.gmail.com> <20080221194317.GA13850@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0802211203j7372e5a5r8903921367e6e86d@mail.gmail.com> lol. I stand corrected. Masochist then. -- Samir On 2/21/08, Martin Maney wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:19:12PM -0600, Samir Faci wrote: > > me being sadistic enough to run KDE4 and firefox 3 and other alpha software > > on my main and only laptop. > > > Uhm, no - that would be if you forced others to run the flakeware. > Doing to your self is masochism. Just sayin' > > -- > To be alive, is that not to be > again and again surprised? -- Nicholas van Rijn > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 00:19:54 2008 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue Feb 26 00:20:06 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Last call for the February Meeting of Chicago.pm/WindyCity.pm Message-ID: <49d805d70802252219h1d362f5ax35e4d966cf80e0d9@mail.gmail.com> Who knew that a talk on Perl 5.10 would be such a hot topic... I sure didn't. Regardless, I've gotten a slew of RSVP's for the meeting today (Tuesday February 26th at 7pm) so I wanted to put out one more final call for RSVPs just in case anyone didn't see the first round. If you haven't RSVP'd for a Chicago.pm/WindyCity.pm meeting in the last few months and if you even have the slightest urge to come to the meeting, please let me know by noon today so that I can get you on the security list. The meeting will be a group discussion/exploration led by brian d foy and myself on some of the changes that have gone into Perl 5.10, or as I like to call it in front of my Java friends, Perl 10 (joke). The meeting will begin around 7pm on Tuesday February 26th at the offices of Performics at 180 N La Salle St. on the 12th floor. See you tonight! Josh From knura at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 12:25:11 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Tue Feb 26 00:55:29 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Goolag - a Google based web site vulnerability scanner Message-ID: <200802261225.11089.knura@yahoo.com> FWIW, came across this in an IT e-zine . -- Arun Khan From eric at macadie.net Tue Feb 26 17:04:58 2008 From: eric at macadie.net (Eric MacAdie) Date: Tue Feb 26 17:05:07 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firewall question Message-ID: <47C49B1A.2070002@MacAdie.net> In the thread "What distro are you using?" I noticed a few people on the list are using some version of BSD for their firewall. I have a few questions about BSD firewalls. Why did you choose BSD over Linux? Why did you choose the BSD you chose? What firewall software do you use? I think NetBSD and FreeBSD can use pf, ipfw and ipf. Do you configure the firewall by hand, or use something like FWBuilder? (That is what I use for iptables.) Eric MacAdie From skie at dragonsvalley.com Tue Feb 26 18:26:00 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Tue Feb 26 18:26:10 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firewall question In-Reply-To: <47C49B1A.2070002@MacAdie.net> References: <47C49B1A.2070002@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <200802261826.01013.skie@dragonsvalley.com> On Tuesday 26 February 2008 05:04:58 pm Eric MacAdie wrote: > In the thread "What distro are you using?" I noticed a few people on the > list are using some version of BSD for their firewall. I have a few > questions about BSD firewalls. > > Why did you choose BSD over Linux? > Why did you choose the BSD you chose? > What firewall software do you use? I think NetBSD and FreeBSD can use > pf, ipfw and ipf. > Do you configure the firewall by hand, or use something like FWBuilder? > (That is what I use for iptables.) > > > Eric MacAdie I used to use OpenBSD and their pf for my firewall. At that time, I edited the rules by hand with some help from their basic tutorial on getting started. It worked quite well for me. The only reason I stopped using it was because I bought a Linksys router and installed dd-wrt on it and so I could get rid of one extra computer that I didn't want anymore. The main reason I choose OpenBSD was because I just wanted a basic system with nothing extra installed. Their track record of security also influenced my decision to go with them since I was using it as a firewall. From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Tue Feb 26 19:26:24 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Tue Feb 26 19:26:32 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firewall question In-Reply-To: <200802261826.01013.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <47C49B1A.2070002@MacAdie.net> <200802261826.01013.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0802261726p1b4cdbf8m3e0c8f52c699e4b9@mail.gmail.com> OpenBSD has an excellent reputation for security. If you're looking for something simple, clean it's a great choice. If I were to choose a firewall (independent of platforms), I would choose PF. Go figure, a firewall that a normal human can actually comprehend. Iptables as far as I know has the same functionality, it's just far more cryptic in the syntax it chooses. I use gentoo mostly because i'm used to it, if gentoo went under I'd probably switch to some variant of BSD. -- Samir On 2/26/08, Branko Kotur wrote: > On Tuesday 26 February 2008 05:04:58 pm Eric MacAdie wrote: > > In the thread "What distro are you using?" I noticed a few people on the > > list are using some version of BSD for their firewall. I have a few > > questions about BSD firewalls. > > > > Why did you choose BSD over Linux? > > Why did you choose the BSD you chose? > > What firewall software do you use? I think NetBSD and FreeBSD can use > > pf, ipfw and ipf. > > Do you configure the firewall by hand, or use something like FWBuilder? > > (That is what I use for iptables.) > > > > > > Eric MacAdie > > > I used to use OpenBSD and their pf for my firewall. At that time, I edited > the rules by hand with some help from their basic tutorial on getting > started. It worked quite well for me. The only reason I stopped using it > was because I bought a Linksys router and installed dd-wrt on it and so I > could get rid of one extra computer that I didn't want anymore. The main > reason I choose OpenBSD was because I just wanted a basic system with nothing > extra installed. Their track record of security also influenced my decision > to go with them since I was using it as a firewall. > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From linux at unliketea.com Tue Feb 26 20:01:36 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Tue Feb 26 20:01:43 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firewall question In-Reply-To: <47C49B1A.2070002@MacAdie.net> References: <47C49B1A.2070002@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <40275.10.16.1.103.1204077696.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> In the thread "What distro are you using?" I noticed a few people on the list are using some version of BSD for their firewall. I have a few questions about BSD firewalls. > Why did you choose BSD over Linux? It is not Linux, why make things easy. NetBSD has an excellent security reputation. > Why did you choose the BSD you choose? Again, NetBSD has an excellent security reputation. This distro is built around networking. > What firewall software do you use? I think NetBSD and FreeBSD can use > pf, ipfw and ipf. I use pf. Excellent and easy to understand. Easy to debug using tcpdump -i pflog0 -e ... I also use carp and agr for redundancy. I have used ipf and I founding more of a hassle. On Linux I use iptables to limit access to specific nodes and networks. > Do you configure the firewall by hand, or use something like FWBuilder? Always by Hand As a matter of fact I am building a new personal firewall as I write this. I think I have used NetBSD for almost 8 years now, or when ever NetBSD 2.0 came out. I have also used 3.0 and am currently using 4.0. If you need a build sheet let me know. Steve From skie at dragonsvalley.com Wed Feb 27 15:34:46 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Wed Feb 27 15:34:58 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Goolag - a Google based web site vulnerability scanner In-Reply-To: <200802261225.11089.knura@yahoo.com> References: <200802261225.11089.knura@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200802271534.46471.skie@dragonsvalley.com> I realize the site is a parody of Google, but can these guys be trusted? My gut tells me to stay away. On Tuesday 26 February 2008 12:55:11 am Arun Khan wrote: > FWIW, came across this in an IT e-zine . > > -- Arun Khan From brian at planetshwoop.com Wed Feb 27 23:17:38 2008 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (=?utf-8?B?YnJpYW4gc29ib2xhaw==?=) Date: Wed Feb 27 17:22:34 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: UFO-Chicago-4229 W Irving, 8pm Message-ID: <1574905046-1204154305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1331083118-@bxe146.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hey there! This thursday is a UFO-Thursday, when a bunch of open source enthusiasts meet and talk about open source stuff. We meet at the Golden Nugget Pancake House of Eternal Goodness And Coffee. Our meetings start at 8pm and end when the last person leaves. All are welcome. For more info about our group, check out: http://ufo.chicago.il.us/ Brian Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 19:27:19 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed Feb 27 21:27:24 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Goolag - a Google based web site vulnerability scanner In-Reply-To: <200802271534.46471.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200802261225.11089.knura@yahoo.com> <200802271534.46471.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: You have to trust guys that throw hamburger meat at you. I got hit with one of their famous patties at one of the HOPE conferences in New York City... On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Branko Kotur wrote: > I realize the site is a parody of Google, but can these guys be trusted? My > gut tells me to stay away. > > > > On Tuesday 26 February 2008 12:55:11 am Arun Khan wrote: > > FWIW, came across this in an IT e-zine . > > > > -- Arun Khan > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 From knura at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 09:42:02 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Wed Feb 27 22:12:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Goolag - a Google based web site vulnerability scanner In-Reply-To: <200802271534.46471.skie@dragonsvalley.com> References: <200802261225.11089.knura@yahoo.com> <200802271534.46471.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Message-ID: <200802280942.03049.knura@yahoo.com> On Thursday 28 Feb 2008, Branko Kotur wrote: > I realize the site is a parody of Google, but can these guys be > trusted? My gut tells me to stay away. They got a lot of publicity at the Black Hat conference. Besides, the source code is available for verification unlike commercial security tools in the market. -- Arun Khan From maney at two14.net Thu Feb 28 06:20:33 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu Feb 28 06:20:45 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firewall question In-Reply-To: <40275.10.16.1.103.1204077696.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <47C49B1A.2070002@MacAdie.net> <40275.10.16.1.103.1204077696.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <20080228122033.GA6547@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 08:01:36PM -0600, Steve Pribyl wrote: > > Why did you choose BSD over Linux? > It is not Linux, why make things easy. See, my take on it is the exact opposite. I've always figured I'm less likely to screw something up (or overlook a vital update, whatever) if I'm not using a "foreign" system on the firewall. If I were a bigger operation, or being paid for the work, then the potential advantages in having different systems, hence hopefully different bugs, would have to be considered. > Again, NetBSD has an excellent security reputation. This distro is built > around networking. Is it? The name does kind of suggest it, but my admittedly vague impression was that "that other" BSD was more interested in being as portable (and widel