From steven.mcgrath at chigeek.com Wed Jan 2 10:07:31 2008 From: steven.mcgrath at chigeek.com (Steven McGrath) Date: Wed Jan 2 10:07:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] January 4th Chicago 2600 Meeting Information Message-ID: <28326b7c0801020807y15a9ab1cg76844186cd98f190@mail.gmail.com> The January Chicago 2600/DefCon 312 Meeting is near! The meeting will be Friday, January 4th at the Neighborhood Boys and Girls Club and will feature much of the same usual fun that all of you have grown to expect! REQUIREMENTS: * Laptop (Mac/Linux/Windows) capable of running VMWare OR * Laptop with full Ruby on Rails and ruby-sqllite3 installed. [Presentation Information] - 9:00pm - Distributed Nmap: How to Automate Scans for an Environment - Tentative - Jax By Jaku - After hours - Wii, Music, Socializing, etc. [General Information] - Meeting Time: 7.00pm - Approx. 3-5am - Meeting Date: Friday, January 4th - Place : 2501 W Irving Park Road, Chicago - More Info : http://chicago2600.net From luni at pyewacket.org Wed Jan 2 09:40:57 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Wed Jan 2 10:41:05 2008 Subject: [LUNI] OT: 8 Can't Miss Predictions... for 1998 Message-ID: <20080102094057.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.09efda3580.wbe@email.secureserver.net> "Tired of being wrong too often, a Network World pundit applies 20-20 hindsight to this list of prognostications for 1998, which if he's right will turn out to be quite a year. Among the forecasts: The U.S. Department of Justice will go medieval on Microsoft, Compaq will buy what's left of DEC, AOL likewise Netscape, Apple will introduce something said to look like an Easter egg ... and then there's the deafening buzz about this new search engine called Google." http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/02/1417221&from=rss - Mike Scott From larry at garfieldtech.com Wed Jan 2 22:41:29 2008 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) Date: Wed Jan 2 22:38:30 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Drupal Camp Wisconsin - 19 January 2008 Message-ID: <200801022241.29999.larry@garfieldtech.com> For those interested in Drupal, the PHP-based CMS that has taken the web development world by storm, there will be a regional Drupal Camp event later this month in Milwaukee! See: http://barcamp.org/DrupalCampWI http://groups.drupal.org/node/7305 The short version: What: Drupal, PHP, and one of the coolest open source communities out there. When: Saturday 19 January 2008, 10 am - 10 pm Where: Milwaukee School of Engineering At least three leading Drupal developers will be there that I know of, and the venue is supposed to be able to hold up to 100. Help us test that theory! :-) Drupal is a very open development process and community that is on growing by leaps and bounds. Drupal is also very active in Google Summer of Code (the SoC web site has run on Drupal for the past 2 years), so if you're a college or graduate student interested in getting paid to work on open source this summer, you definitely want to come and get your foot in the door. Hope to see you there. And please, spread the word! -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson From RCRamsdell at gldd.com Thu Jan 3 06:16:02 2008 From: RCRamsdell at gldd.com (RCRamsdell@gldd.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 06:31:49 2008 Subject: [LUNI] HD Enclosure Message-ID: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED483A020@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> My main computer died the other day. I think (hope) that it was the power supply. By coincidence I had just purchased a replacement, it being long in the tooth. New computer will have Ubuntu 7.02 installed. In any case, I had a 160 GB HD in the computer that I had formatted as a data partition (EFS3, I think). It held my nightly backups, pictures and music. Rather than tear apart the new computer I'm thinking of getting an external disk enclocure, SATA to USB. Does anyone have any advice? In particular, what is a good, reasonably priced brand that may be available at Frys or Microcenter. Any brands to stay away from? Is this something that Just Works, or are there likely to be compatability problems? Robert C. Ramsdell III Production Engineering Manager Great Lakes Dredge & Dock Company 2122 York Road Oakbrook, IL 60523 rcramsdell@gldd.com Phone: 630-574-3463 Mobile: 630-805-1776 Fax: 630-574-2909 From joe at the-frosts.org Thu Jan 3 06:48:38 2008 From: joe at the-frosts.org (Joe Frost) Date: Thu Jan 3 06:48:42 2008 Subject: [LUNI] HD Enclosure In-Reply-To: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED483A020@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED483A020@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> Message-ID: <40690FF9-7B38-4F9A-AAF0-D6CEFDBE1A23@the-frosts.org> On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:16 AM, wrote: > In any case, I had a 160 GB HD in the computer that I had formatted > as a > data partition (EFS3, I think). It held my nightly backups, pictures > and music. Rather than tear apart the new computer I'm thinking of > getting an external disk enclocure, SATA to USB. Does anyone have any > advice? In particular, what is a good, reasonably priced brand > that may > be available at Frys or Microcenter. Any brands to stay away > from? Is > this something that Just Works, or are there likely to be > compatability > problems? > I have an Icy Dock that I'm quite pleased with. It has a little sled that you attach the drive to and then slide into the enclosure. They sell extra sleds if you want to use multiple drives with only one enclosure. I'm not sure about their local availability. I also can't find the model I have on newegg's site anymore. Good luck, Joe From mjmccune at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 14:15:54 2008 From: mjmccune at gmail.com (Mike McCune) Date: Thu Jan 3 09:03:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: First WCLUG of 2008 is January 3. Message-ID: <477BF0FA.1040200@gmail.com> The next WCLUG is meeting Thursday, January 3, 7pm at Caribou Coffee, 3025 N. Clark Street. Come join us for a hot drink by the fireplace (We generally sit in front of the fireplace). For more details go to www.wclug.org. -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From trev at advanced-reality.com Thu Jan 3 09:26:55 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Thu Jan 3 09:58:53 2008 Subject: [LUNI] HD Enclosure In-Reply-To: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED483A020@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED483A020@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> Message-ID: <1199374015.5095.30.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> I think these pretty much just work. They all get presented as a usb disk to the system. All the ones I've had or come across have worked without problems. Trev On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 06:16 -0600, RCRamsdell@gldd.com wrote: > My main computer died the other day. I think (hope) that it was the > power supply. By coincidence I had just purchased a replacement, it > being long in the tooth. New computer will have Ubuntu 7.02 installed. > > In any case, I had a 160 GB HD in the computer that I had formatted as a > data partition (EFS3, I think). It held my nightly backups, pictures > and music. Rather than tear apart the new computer I'm thinking of > getting an external disk enclocure, SATA to USB. Does anyone have any > advice? In particular, what is a good, reasonably priced brand that may > be available at Frys or Microcenter. Any brands to stay away from? Is > this something that Just Works, or are there likely to be compatability > problems? > > Robert C. Ramsdell III > Production Engineering Manager > Great Lakes Dredge & Dock Company > 2122 York Road > Oakbrook, IL 60523 > rcramsdell@gldd.com > Phone: 630-574-3463 > Mobile: 630-805-1776 > Fax: 630-574-2909 > > -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From richard at rushlogistics.com Thu Jan 3 11:01:51 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Thu Jan 3 13:02:09 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Failover script? Message-ID: <302101.47965.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a couple database replica slaves that backup a master that serves as a DB server to about 1/2 a dozen local clients. I am trying to decide what the most orderly way to handle a failover strategy. The two options I am considering are: 1) Replace all perl->DBI calls where the local IP address is hardcoded in the APIs code so that it accesses some central module that can designate one of the slaves as the master in case of the original master's failure. This would be somewhat of a hassle. 2) Write perl script that switches the IP address of one of the slaves to that of the original master in event of the masters failure. This seems like it will be easier but I am not sure of the hardware implications namely if my switch will get confused. I was wondering if anyone on he list might have experience with such scenarios as to recommend a course of action. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Richard Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From linux at unliketea.com Thu Jan 3 13:19:38 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Thu Jan 3 13:19:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Failover script? In-Reply-To: <302101.47965.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <302101.47965.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58304.69.17.21.59.1199387978.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> > 2) Write perl script that switches the IP address of one of the slaves to > that of the original master in event of the masters failure. This seems > like it will be easier but I am not sure of the hardware implications > namely if my switch will get confused. I just did this using heartbeat. Works very well. Not I did not use the mysql module as that defeats the replication part, only migrated the ip address. Steve > I have a couple database replica slaves that backup a master that serves > as a DB server to about 1/2 a dozen local clients. I am trying to decide > what the most orderly way to handle a failover strategy. The two options > I am considering are: > > 1) Replace all perl->DBI calls where the local IP address is hardcoded in > the APIs code so that it accesses some central module that can designate > one of the slaves as the master in case of the original master's failure. > This would be somewhat of a hassle. > > 2) Write perl script that switches the IP address of one of the slaves to > that of the original master in event of the masters failure. This seems > like it will be easier but I am not sure of the hardware implications > namely if my switch will get confused. > > I was wondering if anyone on he list might have experience with such > scenarios as to recommend a course of action. > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > Richard > > > > > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your > words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits > become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > From jkaplenk at aol.com Thu Jan 3 15:49:57 2008 From: jkaplenk at aol.com (jkaplenk@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 14:50:11 2008 Subject: [LUNI] HD Enclosure In-Reply-To: <1199374015.5095.30.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Message-ID: <8CA1C6155A4B9B2-A78-4908@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> Some of the newer enclosures do USB, Firewire and e-SATA. The e-SAtA will give better performance than the USB. You?may need to get an e-SATA card if it is not on your system. A lot of newer systems have it built in. You just need to verify that the e-SATA card will work with your operating system. Joe Kaplenk -----Original Message----- From: Trev Peterson To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 9:26 am Subject: Re: [LUNI] HD Enclosure I think these pretty much just work. They all get presented as a usb disk to the system. All the ones I've had or come across have worked without problems. Trev On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 06:16 -0600, RCRamsdell@gldd.com wrote: > My main computer died the other day. I think (hope) that it was the > power supply. By coincidence I had just purchased a replacement, it > being long in the tooth. New computer will have Ubuntu 7.02 installed. > > In any case, I had a 160 GB HD in the computer that I had formatted as a > data partition (EFS3, I think). It held my nightly backups, pictures > and music. Rather than tear apart the new computer I'm thinking of > getting an external disk enclocure, SATA to USB. Does anyone have any > advice? In particular, what is a good, reasonably priced brand that may > be available at Frys or Microcenter. Any brands to stay away from? Is > this something that Just Works, or are there likely to be compatability > problems? > > Robert C. Ramsdell III > Production Engineering Manager > Great Lakes Dredge & Dock Company > 2122 York Road > Oakbrook, IL 60523 > rcramsdell@gldd.com > Phone: 630-574-3463 > Mobile: 630-805-1776 > Fax: 630-574-2909 > > -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From skie at dragonsvalley.com Thu Jan 3 19:06:02 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Thu Jan 3 19:27:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Linux and HD Message-ID: <200801031906.03273.skie@dragonsvalley.com> Does anyone have any experience with using a Blu Ray or HD-DVD drive to watch HD movies? Are MPlayer or Xine ready to use either format? Unless I'm searching with the wrong terms, I'm not able to find much info on either for Linux. From david at midrange.com Thu Jan 3 19:22:02 2008 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu Jan 3 20:05:05 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: HD Enclosure In-Reply-To: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED483A020@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED483A020@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> Message-ID: RCRamsdell@gldd.com wrote: > Rather than tear apart the new computer I'm thinking of > getting an external disk enclocure, SATA to USB. Does anyone have any > advice? In particular, what is a good, reasonably priced brand that may > be available at Frys or Microcenter. Any brands to stay away from? Is > this something that Just Works, or are there likely to be compatability > problems? I've had great luck with Antec enclosures ... they have USB, USB + ESATA, and I think USB + Firewire models. Frys carries a variety of models & colors. david From mswier at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 06:39:18 2008 From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier) Date: Sat Jan 5 08:39:40 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 1/8/08 Message-ID: <431055.87346.qm@web57009.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi, NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on Tuesday 1/8/08. For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/httpd/html/meetings.html#nextmtg mikie -------------- next part -------------- -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From eric at macadie.net Sat Jan 5 15:47:21 2008 From: eric at macadie.net (Eric MacAdie) Date: Sat Jan 5 15:47:30 2008 Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux Message-ID: <477FFAE9.7050609@MacAdie.net> I asked the list a few months ago about MP3 players in Linux. I have still not replaced my Walkman, but I got a $50 gift certificate from Amazon, so I might take the plunge. Did anybody get any players for Christmas? Any thoughts on them? I looked at ubuntuforums.com, and I am leaning toward Cowon. But I thought I would see what the locals thought. Eric MacAdie From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Sat Jan 5 17:17:35 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Sat Jan 5 17:17:39 2008 Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux In-Reply-To: <477FFAE9.7050609@MacAdie.net> References: <477FFAE9.7050609@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0801051517n4f6cf1f8k93a73568085158ba@mail.gmail.com> Saying mp3 players encompases a long range of items. What's the price range for one. ipod? they're not that open...but they do work on linux, mac and windows. -- Samir On 1/5/08, Eric MacAdie wrote: > > I asked the list a few months ago about MP3 players in Linux. I have > still not replaced my Walkman, but I got a $50 gift certificate from > Amazon, so I might take the plunge. > > Did anybody get any players for Christmas? Any thoughts on them? > > I looked at ubuntuforums.com, and I am leaning toward Cowon. But I > thought I would see what the locals thought. > > Eric MacAdie > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From mlabowicz at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 18:02:34 2008 From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz) Date: Sat Jan 5 18:02:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux In-Reply-To: <477FFAE9.7050609@MacAdie.net> References: <477FFAE9.7050609@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: In order to get the best support under Linux, you would ideally want a player that supports USB mass storage (MSC). The problem with this is that most non-apple mp3 players are going MTP-only and removing MSC in an effort to improve usability on Windows. However, the smaller capacity flash based players usually provide an option for USB mass storage (see sandisk sansa e2xx series) so make sure you check this before buying (in a manual or review). Alternatively, you could track the progress of libmtp and see if your intended player will be or is supported. http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=compatibility Michael Labowicz On Jan 5, 2008 3:47 PM, Eric MacAdie wrote: > I asked the list a few months ago about MP3 players in Linux. I have > still not replaced my Walkman, but I got a $50 gift certificate from > Amazon, so I might take the plunge. > > Did anybody get any players for Christmas? Any thoughts on them? > > I looked at ubuntuforums.com, and I am leaning toward Cowon. But I > thought I would see what the locals thought. > > Eric MacAdie > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From mjmccune at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 19:03:09 2008 From: mjmccune at gmail.com (Mike McCune) Date: Sat Jan 5 19:03:12 2008 Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux Message-ID: <3d5f70d0801051703p2b523f35y4fa4f9ea85bada7d@mail.gmail.com> How much are you looking to spend? Low end Sansa MP3 players sell for under $50, work as an MP3 player, thumb drive and have an FM radio. To use them in Linux, simply copy the MP3s to the player. > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:47:21 -0600 > From: Eric MacAdie > Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > Message-ID: <477FFAE9.7050609@MacAdie.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I asked the list a few months ago about MP3 players in Linux. I have > still not replaced my Walkman, but I got a $50 gift certificate from > Amazon, so I might take the plunge. > > Did anybody get any players for Christmas? Any thoughts on them? > > I looked at ubuntuforums.com, and I am leaning toward Cowon. But I > thought I would see what the locals thought. > > Eric MacAdie > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > End of luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 4 > *********************************** > From lists at redboy.cx Sat Jan 5 19:01:59 2008 From: lists at redboy.cx (sten) Date: Sat Jan 5 19:33:07 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: mp3 players in linux In-Reply-To: <200801052300.m05N02e1011309@null.sevatech.com> References: <200801052300.m05N02e1011309@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: <84e53dc43bb1b4cdcc57d8835ec27fec@redboy.cx> > I asked the list a few months ago about MP3 players in Linux. I've been using an iRiver S10 - it's like a Shuffle, but with FM radio, a screen and Ogg support. It's a straight VFAT USB drive, so perfectly easy to use, and it's really tiny. http://www.pocketables.net/2006/11/review_iriver_s.html From sjk at cupacoffee.net Sat Jan 5 19:35:50 2008 From: sjk at cupacoffee.net (sjk) Date: Sat Jan 5 19:43:55 2008 Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux In-Reply-To: <3d5f70d0801051703p2b523f35y4fa4f9ea85bada7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d5f70d0801051703p2b523f35y4fa4f9ea85bada7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47803076.3090409@cupacoffee.net> I recently replaced my stolen iPod -- which worked well with GTKPod -- with a Cowon D2. Overall the D2 sounds great, supports MP3, OGG, and some FLAC. I had a couple of minor issues getting the D2 to mount properly, but sorted it out quickly enough. The only things I really dislike about the D2 is the interface --which is just terrible for on-the-go selection-- and the fact that it doesn't support .m3u playlists, making it a pain to pre-set any selections. >> I asked the list a few months ago about MP3 players in Linux. I have >> still not replaced my Walkman, but I got a $50 gift certificate from >> Amazon, so I might take the plunge. >> >> Did anybody get any players for Christmas? Any thoughts on them? >> >> I looked at ubuntuforums.com, and I am leaning toward Cowon. But I >> thought I would see what the locals thought. >> >> Eric MacAdie >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion >> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni >> >> >> End of luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 4 >> *********************************** >> -- ------------------------------------- http://www.auroraliberty.com sjk@cupacoffee.net No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir From richard at rushlogistics.com Mon Jan 7 04:50:03 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Mon Jan 7 06:50:22 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? Message-ID: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My six year laptop just died -- apparently it's the hardrive. I was going to pickup a cheap laptop from microcenter, if I can survive with a six year laptop I sure don't need anything fancy. I think their lowend module is Acer. Anyone know if they install linux -- or specifically Ubuntu -- ok? Thanks, Richard Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From dave.greengas at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 06:50:13 2008 From: dave.greengas at gmail.com (David Greengas) Date: Mon Jan 7 06:51:26 2008 Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux In-Reply-To: <47803076.3090409@cupacoffee.net> References: <3d5f70d0801051703p2b523f35y4fa4f9ea85bada7d@mail.gmail.com> <47803076.3090409@cupacoffee.net> Message-ID: <47822005.4090108@gmail.com> I have a Meizu M6. I purchase mine through Walgreens last June. It plays ogg and flac. Plus it plays videos and is about the size of a credit card. It does use m3u playlists as well and has the option to show up as a mass storage device or MTP. The US distributor of these items in a company called Dane Electronics. You can visit the company at http://www.danedigital.com . You can get from many different online retailers, too. There is also a fan site called www.meizume.com if you want to research what people really think of it. sjk wrote: > I recently replaced my stolen iPod -- which worked well with GTKPod -- > with a Cowon D2. Overall the D2 sounds great, supports MP3, OGG, and > some FLAC. I had a couple of minor issues getting the D2 to mount > properly, but sorted it out quickly enough. The only things I really > dislike about the D2 is the interface --which is just terrible for > on-the-go selection-- and the fact that it doesn't support .m3u > playlists, making it a pain to pre-set any selections. > > >>> I asked the list a few months ago about MP3 players in Linux. I have >>> still not replaced my Walkman, but I got a $50 gift certificate from >>> Amazon, so I might take the plunge. >>> >>> Did anybody get any players for Christmas? Any thoughts on them? >>> >>> I looked at ubuntuforums.com, and I am leaning toward Cowon. But I >>> thought I would see what the locals thought. >>> >>> Eric MacAdie >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion >>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni >>> >>> >>> End of luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 4 >>> *********************************** >>> >>> > > > From svbechtolsheim at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 06:27:59 2008 From: svbechtolsheim at yahoo.com (Stephan V Bechtolsheim) Date: Mon Jan 7 08:28:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? Message-ID: <351097.90971.qm@web51611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Overall my experience is that Fry's is cheaper - your mileage may vary, of course, as a great deal today at place X may be gone by tomorrow. I am mentioning it partially because the two places aren't that far apart from each other. StvB ----- Original Message ---- > going to pickup a cheap laptop from microcenter, if I can survive with From richard at rushlogistics.com Mon Jan 7 06:59:16 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Mon Jan 7 08:59:30 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Failover script? In-Reply-To: <58304.69.17.21.59.1199387978.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <923317.86110.qm@web602.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve, Thanks again for the response. I looked into heartbeat and I am still considering it. However, I am at least a little reluctant to have to configure, and maintain yet another piece of software on my network. As a result I am still also considering writing a script that test the database of a DBI->mysql comnnection call and redirects traffic to a replica in the event of unavailablity. Does anyone have any experience or insight on such a method? Steve Pribyl wrote: > 2) Write perl script that switches the IP address of one of the slaves to > that of the original master in event of the masters failure. This seems > like it will be easier but I am not sure of the hardware implications > namely if my switch will get confused. I just did this using heartbeat. Works very well. Not I did not use the mysql module as that defeats the replication part, only migrated the ip address. Steve > I have a couple database replica slaves that backup a master that serves > as a DB server to about 1/2 a dozen local clients. I am trying to decide > what the most orderly way to handle a failover strategy. The two options > I am considering are: > > 1) Replace all perl->DBI calls where the local IP address is hardcoded in > the APIs code so that it accesses some central module that can designate > one of the slaves as the master in case of the original master's failure. > This would be somewhat of a hassle. > > 2) Write perl script that switches the IP address of one of the slaves to > that of the original master in event of the masters failure. This seems > like it will be easier but I am not sure of the hardware implications > namely if my switch will get confused. > > I was wondering if anyone on he list might have experience with such > scenarios as to recommend a course of action. > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > Richard > > > > > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your > words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits > become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From knura at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 20:30:44 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Mon Jan 7 09:01:10 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? In-Reply-To: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200801072030.44865.knura@yahoo.com> On Monday 07 Jan 2008, Richard Reina wrote: > My six year laptop just died -- apparently it's the hardrive. I was > going to pickup a cheap laptop from microcenter, if I can survive > with a six year laptop I sure don't need anything fancy. I think > their lowend module is Acer. Anyone know if they install linux -- or > specifically Ubuntu -- ok? It might be worth a try: take the Ubuntu CD/DVD and boot it live on the display unit. -- Arun Khan From kgarner at kgarner.com Mon Jan 7 09:10:45 2008 From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Mon Jan 7 09:10:52 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Failover script? In-Reply-To: <923317.86110.qm@web602.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <923317.86110.qm@web602.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478240F5.5030800@kgarner.com> On 1/7/08 8:59 AM, Richard Reina wrote: > Thanks again for the response. I looked into heartbeat and I am still > considering it. However, I am at least a little reluctant to have to > configure, and maintain yet another piece of software on my network. > > As a result I am still also considering writing a script that test the > database of a DBI->mysql comnnection call and redirects traffic to a > replica in the event of unavailablity. Not to be an ass, but... How is writing your own script not maintaining another piece of software? In fact, this puts more burden on you as you do not have enough eyes to make all bugs shallow. Beware NIH syndrome! Keith -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Mon Jan 7 14:50:19 2008 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean-lynch@sean-lynch.com) Date: Mon Jan 7 09:11:43 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? Message-ID: <148667286.377521199717419972.JavaMail.mail@webmail04> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20080107/e66a4085/attachment.htm From richard at rushlogistics.com Mon Jan 7 15:34:06 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (richard@rushlogistics.com) Date: Mon Jan 7 09:41:45 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? In-Reply-To: <200801072030.44865.knura@yahoo.com> References: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com><200801072030.44865.knura@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1308806936-1199720083-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-988638124-@bxe030.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I can but don't know what to do? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Arun Khan Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:30:44 To:Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: Re: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? On Monday 07 Jan 2008, Richard Reina wrote: > My six year laptop just died -- apparently it's the hardrive. I was > going to pickup a cheap laptop from microcenter, if I can survive > with a six year laptop I sure don't need anything fancy. I think > their lowend module is Acer. Anyone know if they install linux -- or > specifically Ubuntu -- ok? It might be worth a try: take the Ubuntu CD/DVD and boot it live on the display unit. -- Arun Khan -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From richard at rushlogistics.com Mon Jan 7 08:04:58 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Mon Jan 7 10:05:10 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Failover script? In-Reply-To: <478240F5.5030800@kgarner.com> Message-ID: <203075.88739.qm@web608.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In fact, this puts more burden on you as you do not have enough eyes to make all bugs shallow. Beware NIH syndrome! Keith, Thank you very much for you're reply. May I ask what "make all bugs shallow" and "NIH syndrome" mean? Thanks, Richard From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Jan 7 10:47:47 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon Jan 7 10:48:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Failover script? In-Reply-To: <203075.88739.qm@web608.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <203075.88739.qm@web608.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478257B3.5000507@hostedlabs.com> Not Invented Here (NIH) The value of open source isn't just that its free but that things often get implemented and tested in a wide variety of environments under widely different loads (at least for popular projects like heartbeat). Its called code maturity and is critical to running stable systems. As an example if someone was going to throw you in a jungle to survive by yourself in harsh unknown conditions you would probably pick machinery and equipment that stood the test of time and was tested in those harsh conditions rather than something you built in your garage. Sorry for not responding to your original problem but I think to summarize what you are looking at is: 1) you have an existing code base deployed across multiple machines that has IP based connection to a database (master I believe?). 2) you want to have fail-over to a secondary. 3) the cost of changing code vs. the cost of implementing a network level solution is what you are evaluating. I would add a few thoughts that might help to sort out: 1) what failure scenarios matter in this instance. For example, does the network topology allow for some machines to connect to DB but not others (i.e. lose one switch and half servers on that lose connectivity). Is it just hard down? Are there cron jobs that run on the DB server that need to be stopped (do data updates that could cause inconsistency if other became master). etc. etc. 2) What is the fail-over demand? Real-time, automated, manual intervention, transaction-loss-less? Its worth just describing what your minimum threshold is there. 3) What is the process for going back to other DB? What happens to data? Do you switch replication direction and keep secondary as master until next failure? 4) Might it be worth making an update to the code at this point to put in a DB-connection abstraction layer that provides future flexibility for things like two-phase commit model, app level log syncing or data partitioning? Well, those are just some things worth thinking about. After having a painful experience this weekend from not thinking things out before I implemented them I can passionately recommend that you maybe sketch it all out before making a decision ;-) By the way the heartbeat project is worth looking at. Its really stable and will be a good tool to have in the chest down the road regardless. -jason Richard Reina wrote: > In fact, this puts more burden on you as you do > not have enough eyes to make all bugs shallow. > > Beware NIH syndrome! > > Keith, > > Thank you very much for you're reply. May I ask what "make all bugs shallow" and "NIH syndrome" mean? > > Thanks, > > Richard From kgarner at kgarner.com Mon Jan 7 10:49:10 2008 From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Mon Jan 7 10:49:17 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Failover script? In-Reply-To: <203075.88739.qm@web608.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <203075.88739.qm@web608.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47825806.6070405@kgarner.com> On 1/7/08 10:04 AM, Richard Reina wrote: > In fact, this puts more burden on you as you do not have enough eyes to > make all bugs shallow. > > Beware NIH syndrome! > > Keith, > > Thank you very much for you're reply. May I ask what "make all bugs > shallow" To quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus's_Law Linus's Law according to Eric S. Raymond states that "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow". More formally: "Given a large enough beta-tester and co-developer base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix will be obvious to someone." The rule was formulated and named by Eric S. Raymond in his essay "The Cathedral and the Bazaar > and "NIH syndrome" mean? NIH == Not Invented Here Its the tendency of people to reinvent wheels that don't need reinvention only because they assume that 1) whatever they do will be better or 2) it'll take too long to learn something that already exists and does what I want. That being said, there are some wheels that do need to be reinvented, but I leave that to people like Brian Swetland who often gets in trouble for reinventing said wheels. Keith -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From richard at rushlogistics.com Mon Jan 7 10:02:32 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Mon Jan 7 12:02:45 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Failover script? In-Reply-To: <478257B3.5000507@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <454955.59029.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1) what failure scenarios matter in this instance. For example, does the network topology allow for some machines to connect to DB but not others (i.e. lose one switch and half servers on that lose connectivity). Is it just hard down? Are there cron jobs that run on the DB server that need to be stopped (do data updates that could cause inconsistency if other became master). etc. etc. All clients via an API connect directly to the master for DB queries. These a switch which connects all the machnes. No crons on the DB server that need to be stopped. >2) What is the fail-over demand? Real-time, automated, manual >intervention, transaction-loss-less? Its worth just describing what >your minimum threshold is there. Automated I think would be best. Only a few users. >3) What is the process for going back to other DB? What happens to >data? Do you switch replication direction and keep secondary as >master >until next failure? I would probably -- on the weekend when the network can be taken down -- make it the master again and then make it another slave when I do the next server upgrade. Maybe heartbeat is the best solution. That's what I would like to figure out before I implement a solution. Thanks for the replies thus far. Richard From seva at sevatech.com Mon Jan 7 17:41:37 2008 From: seva at sevatech.com (Seva Epsteyn) Date: Mon Jan 7 17:41:38 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? In-Reply-To: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Richard, You can just replace the hard drive, it's probably the most economical option. Also, consider SSD vs HD. -Seva On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Richard Reina wrote: > My six year laptop just died -- apparently it's the hardrive. I was > going to pickup a cheap laptop from microcenter, if I can survive with a > six year laptop I sure don't need anything fancy. I think their lowend > module is Acer. Anyone know if they install linux -- or specifically > Ubuntu -- ok? > > Thanks, > > Richard From mjmccune at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 17:42:16 2008 From: mjmccune at gmail.com (Mike McCune) Date: Mon Jan 7 17:42:21 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <200801072300.m07N03kl005731@null.sevatech.com> References: <200801072300.m07N03kl005731@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: <4782B8D8.4050804@gmail.com> I bought a cheap Acer at Microcenter in 2006. It has an Atheros wireless and Intel video, both of which have good open source drivers. It is not the fastest laptop but I have never had an problems with it (other than the battery won't hold a full charge anymore). The most important thing is to look at the components and make sure they have good driver support under Linux. Look for Open Source drivers since they won't have problems when you upgrade the kernel. According to the latest Microcenter add, their $379 laptop has Intel video (which currently has the best Linux driver support) and InviLink wireless (I believe it uses an Atheros chipset, which has open source drivers available on the Ubuntu disk). > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 04:50:03 -0800 (PST) > From: Richard Reina > Subject: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? > To: luni@luni.org > Message-ID: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > My six year laptop just died -- apparently it's the hardrive. I was going to pickup a cheap laptop from microcenter, if I can survive with a six year laptop I sure don't need anything fancy. I think their lowend module is Acer. Anyone know if they install linux -- or specifically Ubuntu -- ok? > > Thanks, > > Richard > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma GandhiFrom dave.greengas@gmail.com Mon Jan 7 06:51:25 2008 > Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com > [64.233.178.245]) > From tylerius at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 18:45:45 2008 From: tylerius at gmail.com (Tyler Stoffel) Date: Mon Jan 7 20:45:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Trouble with broadcom wireless 4311 in Ubuntu 7.10 Message-ID: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I recently bought a HP pavilion dv9000 and dual-booted vista and gutsy, but cannot get the wireless card, a broadcom 4311, to work under gutsy with either the restricted driver or ndis wrapper. Anyone run across this? Tyler Stoffel -- www.tylerstoffel.com tyler.stoffel@gmail.com 773.827.4468 "The only regret I will have in dying, is if it is not for love." -- Gabriel Garcia Marquez From mlabowicz at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 20:49:00 2008 From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz) Date: Mon Jan 7 20:49:03 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cheap laptops at Microcenter? In-Reply-To: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <946366.35567.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You may want to look into an Asus Eepc. It's a laptop with a 7" display, wifi, flash storage and a $399 pricetag. Best of all it runs linux like a dream. Here's a review: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/eee-pc-review.ars On Jan 7, 2008 6:50 AM, Richard Reina wrote: > My six year laptop just died -- apparently it's the hardrive. I was going > to pickup a cheap laptop from microcenter, if I can survive with a six year > laptop I sure don't need anything fancy. I think their lowend module is > Acer. Anyone know if they install linux -- or specifically Ubuntu -- ok? > > Thanks, > > Richard > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your > words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits > become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From linux at unliketea.com Mon Jan 7 21:30:41 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Mon Jan 7 21:30:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Trouble with broadcom wireless 4311 in Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> References: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36299.10.16.1.119.1199763041.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> apt-get fwcutter, use that to cut the firm ware out of the driver. 2 ) Copy your windows driver to your desktop Use this driver with preference to any other: http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o if this fails, your could use any of these: * Copy the driver from the CD that came with the Card * Copy it over from your windows partition if you have access to it, it will be located here: /Windows/System32/Drivers/bcmwl5.sys * Obtain it from here -http://sidulus.textdrive.com/bcmwl5sys.zip * Get any driver for your card of any date from their website - use this if initially you are not successful first tome try some newer/older drivers Complete instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174 Works pretty well and slightly more plesant then ndis wrapper. Steve > Hi, > > I recently bought a HP pavilion dv9000 and dual-booted vista and gutsy, > but > cannot get the wireless card, a broadcom 4311, to work under gutsy with > either the restricted driver or ndis wrapper. Anyone run across this? > > Tyler Stoffel > > -- > www.tylerstoffel.com > tyler.stoffel@gmail.com > 773.827.4468 > > "The only regret I will have in dying, is if it is not for love." -- > Gabriel > Garcia Marquez > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > From trev at advanced-reality.com Mon Jan 7 21:47:05 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 7 21:50:41 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Trouble with broadcom wireless 4311 in Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> References: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199764026.9980.12.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Broadcoms are notoriously bad under Linux. I have yet to get one to work (I haven't and won't try the ndis wrapper though). FYIL I tried to upgrade a broadcom wifi card on an HP to one well supported under linux (intel). HP (and maybe other manufacturers) seems to have bios locked wifi cards. The laptop will not boot if you put in a "non-approved" (read non-HP) wifi card. Seems to be the latest lock-in strategy. HP refuses to take the laptop back or to provide a BIOS not locked. Needless to say I do not recommend HP laptops to clients. Good luck and I hope yours is not this way. On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 18:45 -0800, Tyler Stoffel wrote: > Hi, > > I recently bought a HP pavilion dv9000 and dual-booted vista and gutsy, but > cannot get the wireless card, a broadcom 4311, to work under gutsy with > either the restricted driver or ndis wrapper. Anyone run across this? > > Tyler Stoffel > > -- > www.tylerstoffel.com > tyler.stoffel@gmail.com > 773.827.4468 > > "The only regret I will have in dying, is if it is not for love." -- Gabriel > Garcia Marquez -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From awbassett at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 21:58:43 2008 From: awbassett at gmail.com (Andrew Bassett) Date: Mon Jan 7 21:58:46 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Trouble with broadcom wireless 4311 in Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <1199764026.9980.12.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> References: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> <1199764026.9980.12.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Message-ID: <41e5af610801071958y2941321m6201c836c3b3ac52@mail.gmail.com> > > The laptop will not boot if you put in > a "non-approved" (read non-HP) wifi card. Seems to be the latest > lock-in strategy. HP refuses to take the laptop back or to provide a > BIOS not locked. Needless to say I do not recommend HP laptops to > clients. Good luck and I hope yours is not this way. > > I have an HP Compaq 8710w with integrated wireless which will not work on kernels < 2.6.18. I slapped in a b/g pcmcia dlink card and I'm typing this right now from a wireless connection. -- Andrew Bassett From trev at advanced-reality.com Mon Jan 7 22:08:47 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 7 22:12:22 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Trouble with broadcom wireless 4311 in Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <41e5af610801071958y2941321m6201c836c3b3ac52@mail.gmail.com> References: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> <1199764026.9980.12.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> <41e5af610801071958y2941321m6201c836c3b3ac52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199765327.9980.20.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> I really hope this is not a wide spread practice. Talking with their tech support a year or so back the impression they gave me was this was standard on all "consumer grade" (non-business) HP laptops. Hopefully they stopped this and it was isolated to the HP side. I just thought I should mention it before the OP considers buying a wifi card for the laptop. HTH, Trev On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 21:58 -0600, Andrew Bassett wrote: > > > > The laptop will not boot if you put in > > a "non-approved" (read non-HP) wifi card. Seems to be the latest > > lock-in strategy. HP refuses to take the laptop back or to provide a > > BIOS not locked. Needless to say I do not recommend HP laptops to > > clients. Good luck and I hope yours is not this way. > > > > > I have an HP Compaq 8710w with integrated wireless which will not work on > kernels < 2.6.18. I slapped in a b/g pcmcia dlink card and I'm typing this > right now from a wireless connection. > > -- > Andrew Bassett -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 7 21:11:33 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Mon Jan 7 23:12:07 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firefox Freezes on Flash Animations Message-ID: <805761.69162.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Over the holidays I installed "swfplayer" on my Compaq laptop running Debian Etch. Ever since then, whenever Iceweasel encounters a web page using flash, it locks up and I must kill the process, restart the browser, and then close the offending tab before it loads. Has anyone seen this behavior with swfplayer, and is there an alternative helper application to play Macromedia Flash content in Firefox/Iceweasel? Rob Smith From scullard at uchicago.edu Tue Jan 8 00:21:34 2008 From: scullard at uchicago.edu (Chris Scullard) Date: Tue Jan 8 00:21:42 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firefox Freezes on Flash Animations In-Reply-To: <805761.69162.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <805761.69162.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4783166E.6090104@uchicago.edu> Hi Rob, You probably want to use the proprietary Flash player. Under Ubuntu it's called flashplayer-nonfree, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same for Debian. Chris Robert Smith wrote: > Over the holidays I installed "swfplayer" on my Compaq > laptop running Debian Etch. Ever since then, whenever > Iceweasel encounters a web page using flash, it locks > up and I must kill the process, restart the browser, > and then close the offending tab before it loads. > > Has anyone seen this behavior with swfplayer, and is > there an alternative helper application to play > Macromedia Flash content in Firefox/Iceweasel? > > Rob Smith > From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 8 04:47:36 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Tue Jan 8 06:47:44 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firefox Freezes on Flash Animations In-Reply-To: <4783166E.6090104@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <888605.64835.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Chris Scullard wrote: > Hi Rob, > > You probably want to use the proprietary Flash > player. Under Ubuntu it's > called flashplayer-nonfree, and I wouldn't be > surprised if it's the same > for Debian. > > Chris > Thanks for the reply. I checked for this, there was only a "flashplayer-mozilla" and a "flash=plugin-non-free." I tried the latter but got a 404 error. I tried the mozilla one and it worked just fine. Thanks! Rob Smith From maney at two14.net Tue Jan 8 12:56:58 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue Jan 8 12:57:12 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Firefox Freezes on Flash Animations In-Reply-To: <805761.69162.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <805761.69162.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080108185658.GA32453@furrr.two14.net> On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 09:11:33PM -0800, Robert Smith wrote: > Has anyone seen this behavior with swfplayer, and is > there an alternative helper application to play > Macromedia Flash content in Firefox/Iceweasel? I've never yet found the open source flash player to be useful for any of the little use I have for flash content. The proprietary plugin works no worse than usual - occasionally it causes the browser to lock up, but, well, it's flash, that's what it's for, innit? -- You know, if you were really going to starve, you'd be justified in writing proprietary software. -- R M Stallman From tylerius at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 15:06:16 2008 From: tylerius at gmail.com (Tyler Stoffel) Date: Tue Jan 8 17:06:20 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Trouble with broadcom wireless 4311 in Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <1199765327.9980.20.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> References: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> <1199764026.9980.12.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> <41e5af610801071958y2941321m6201c836c3b3ac52@mail.gmail.com> <1199765327.9980.20.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> Message-ID: <5823ed040801081506q657ade8r98eac41e7d83701b@mail.gmail.com> I tried what Steve suggested a few weeks back actually, and no luck. I'm rather stumped. In the Ubuntu forums, a post says to turn off the bluetooth and the wireless magically works, but no go with that either. I have recently (today) been told to install ndis wrapper from source rather than apt get and it should work, but I don't understand what the difference is, and i find installing anything from source to be more hassle than it is worth, since the ndis wrapper already installed isn't working. Any thoughts as to why installing from source would make a difference? Tyler On Jan 7, 2008 8:08 PM, Trev Peterson wrote: > I really hope this is not a wide spread practice. Talking with their > tech support a year or so back the impression they gave me was this was > standard on all "consumer grade" (non-business) HP laptops. Hopefully > they stopped this and it was isolated to the HP side. I just thought I > should mention it before the OP considers buying a wifi card for the > laptop. > > HTH, > > Trev > > On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 21:58 -0600, Andrew Bassett wrote: > > > > > > The laptop will not boot if you put in > > > a "non-approved" (read non-HP) wifi card. Seems to be the latest > > > lock-in strategy. HP refuses to take the laptop back or to provide a > > > BIOS not locked. Needless to say I do not recommend HP laptops to > > > clients. Good luck and I hope yours is not this way. > > > > > > > > I have an HP Compaq 8710w with integrated wireless which will not work > on > > kernels < 2.6.18. I slapped in a b/g pcmcia dlink card and I'm typing > this > > right now from a wireless connection. > > > > -- > > Andrew Bassett > -- > Trev Peterson > Advanced Reality > Email: trev@advanced-reality.com > Phone: +1 847 406 9018 > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- www.tylerstoffel.com tyler.stoffel@gmail.com 773.827.4468 "The only regret I will have in dying, is if it is not for love." -- Gabriel Garcia Marquez From rauch at totalnetsolutions.net Tue Jan 8 17:35:16 2008 From: rauch at totalnetsolutions.net (Robert C. Auch) Date: Tue Jan 8 17:36:57 2008 Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux References: <477FFAE9.7050609@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <097CDDB70866A24CB3D48CC2713EA0230EE32F@tns01.totalnetsolutions.net> I've been out of town, so just got this... gtkpod and Amarok both run iPods VERY nicely, no iTunes required, after you format the iPod as fat32 (I used a WinXP VM for the initial setup). ________________________________ From: Eric MacAdie [mailto:eric@macadie.net] Sent: Sat 1/5/2008 3:47 PM To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: [LUNI] MP3 players in Linux I asked the list a few months ago about MP3 players in Linux. I have still not replaced my Walkman, but I got a $50 gift certificate from Amazon, so I might take the plunge. Did anybody get any players for Christmas? Any thoughts on them? I looked at ubuntuforums.com, and I am leaning toward Cowon. But I thought I would see what the locals thought. Eric MacAdie From theuteck at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 19:31:28 2008 From: theuteck at gmail.com (uteck) Date: Tue Jan 8 19:31:52 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Trouble with broadcom wireless 4311 in Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <5823ed040801081506q657ade8r98eac41e7d83701b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5823ed040801071845h4e4ee1d4wce1e3bd01e632f71@mail.gmail.com> <1199765327.9980.20.camel@aegir.advanced-reality.com> <5823ed040801081506q657ade8r98eac41e7d83701b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801081931.28395.theuteck@gmail.com> Gutsy is using version 1.43 and the latest is 1.51 would be the big reason. And sometimes this magically makes it work. On Tuesday 08 January 2008 05:06:16 pm Tyler Stoffel wrote: > I tried what Steve suggested a few weeks back actually, and no luck. I'm > rather stumped. In the Ubuntu forums, a post says to turn off the bluetooth > and the wireless magically works, but no go with that either. I have > recently (today) been told to install ndis wrapper from source rather than > apt get and it should work, but I don't understand what the difference is, > and i find installing anything from source to be more hassle than it is > worth, since the ndis wrapper already installed isn't working. Any thoughts > as to why installing from source would make a difference? > > Tyler > > On Jan 7, 2008 8:08 PM, Trev Peterson wrote: > > I really hope this is not a wide spread practice. Talking with their > > tech support a year or so back the impression they gave me was this was > > standard on all "consumer grade" (non-business) HP laptops. Hopefully > > they stopped this and it was isolated to the HP side. I just thought I > > should mention it before the OP considers buying a wifi card for the > > laptop. > > > > HTH, > > > > Trev > > > > On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 21:58 -0600, Andrew Bassett wrote: > > > > The laptop will not boot if you put in > > > > a "non-approved" (read non-HP) wifi card. Seems to be the latest > > > > lock-in strategy. HP refuses to take the laptop back or to provide a > > > > BIOS not locked. Needless to say I do not recommend HP laptops to > > > > clients. Good luck and I hope yours is not this way. > > > > > > I have an HP Compaq 8710w with integrated wireless which will not work > > > > on > > > > > kernels < 2.6.18. I slapped in a b/g pcmcia dlink card and I'm typing > > > > this > > > > > right now from a wireless connection. > > > > > > -- > > > Andrew Bassett > > > > -- > > Trev Peterson > > Advanced Reality > > Email: trev@advanced-reality.com > > Phone: +1 847 406 9018 > > > > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > -- > www.tylerstoffel.com > tyler.stoffel@gmail.com > 773.827.4468 > > "The only regret I will have in dying, is if it is not for love." -- > Gabriel Garcia Marquez From brian at planetshwoop.com Wed Jan 9 08:05:10 2008 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Wed Jan 9 07:05:30 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: This Thursday is a UFO-Chicago Thursday! Message-ID: <1204.71.239.174.233.1199883910.squirrel@magenta.planetshwoop.com> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [UFO Chicago] luni-announce@luni.org From: "Brian Sobolak" Date: Tue, January 8, 2008 11:20 pm To: "UFO Chicago Mailing List" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This Thursday is a UFO Thursday (according to my calculations, anyway). UFO-Chicago is a long-running group dedicated to the discussion of Linux and other free software. We will be meeting at the Golden Nugget Pancake house at 4229 W Irving Park Rd. We usually get started about 8pm. Our meetings are informal and have no agenda. It is free (as in beer, but not as in beer because they don't server beer) and welcome to all. For more information, see our website: http://ufo.chicago.il.us/ brian # ############### ################## ##### # ## ## ## # ## # ################## # # # ##################### ##################### # # # # # # # ## # #### # ## #### ##### ############# ################# ## ## # # # # # # ## ## ################# ############# (Is it art or is it ascii? All depends upon your MUA my friend.) -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ _______________________________________________ UFO Chicago -- Users of Free Operating Systems Free Software Rules -- Proprietary Drools! http://ufo.chicago.il.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ufo -- -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From richard at rushlogistics.com Wed Jan 9 08:55:52 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Wed Jan 9 10:56:05 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <4782B8D8.4050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <475095.79273.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> According to the latest Microcenter add, their $379 laptop has Intel video (which currently has the best Linux driver support) and InviLink wireless (I believe it uses an Atheros chipset, which has open source drivers available on the Ubuntu disk). I just bought it. Does anyone know if there is any danger in installing Ubuntu straight away on the first boot. The instructions say that the Windows XP innitial setup will take 30 min. and that I should complete it to make sure that the machine si working properly? Is this really nec. since I'm going to blow away Windows? Thanks all, Richard Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From job-533523659 at craigslist.org Wed Jan 9 11:48:58 2008 From: job-533523659 at craigslist.org (job-533523659@craigslist.org) Date: Wed Jan 9 13:39:19 2008 Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] Financial Trading System Java Developers (Jr and Sr) Message-ID: We are a proprietary trading firm that develops and runs fully automated algorithms to trade financial markets around the clock and around the world. 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Ovgpuvat - This posting uses some content from Wikipedia's Algorithmic trading article - Qba'g ovgpu nobhg gur nabalzbhf rznvy nqqerff, vg'f cerggl boivbhf jub gur cbfgre vf vs lbh ybbx ng gur urnqref. From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 16:22:06 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Wed Jan 9 18:22:14 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <475095.79273.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <231411.29075.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Richard Reina wrote: > According to the latest Microcenter add, their $379 > laptop has Intel > video (which currently has the best Linux driver > support) and InviLink > wireless (I believe it uses an Atheros chipset, > which has open source > drivers available on the Ubuntu disk). > I just bought it. Does anyone know if there is any > danger in installing Ubuntu straight away on the > first boot. The instructions say that the Windows > XP innitial setup will take 30 min. and that I > should complete it to make sure that the machine si > working properly? Is this really nec. since I'm > going to blow away Windows? > The only thing I could think of, and probably the reason behind the warning is, if there is some sort of hardware gremlin, and you've blown away Windows to image it with Linux, you open yourself up for the "blame game." You've got almost four bills invested. If you feel confident enough in the hardware, then by all means, throw caution to the wind and load Ubuntu straight up. If you live by Murphy's Law, then you might want to choose the side of caution and let it load Windows first. Rob Smith From richard at rushlogistics.com Thu Jan 10 03:02:56 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (richard@rushlogistics.com) Date: Wed Jan 9 21:03:45 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <231411.29075.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <475095.79273.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com><231411.29075.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <160180666-1199934215-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-411650344-@bxe030.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thanks for the reply I did just that. Now If I can just the WiFI to work. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Robert Smith Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:22:06 To:Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 --- Richard Reina wrote: > According to the latest Microcenter add, their $379 > laptop has Intel > video (which currently has the best Linux driver > support) and InviLink > wireless (I believe it uses an Atheros chipset, > which has open source > drivers available on the Ubuntu disk). > I just bought it. Does anyone know if there is any > danger in installing Ubuntu straight away on the > first boot. The instructions say that the Windows > XP innitial setup will take 30 min. and that I > should complete it to make sure that the machine si > working properly? Is this really nec. since I'm > going to blow away Windows? > The only thing I could think of, and probably the reason behind the warning is, if there is some sort of hardware gremlin, and you've blown away Windows to image it with Linux, you open yourself up for the "blame game." You've got almost four bills invested. If you feel confident enough in the hardware, then by all means, throw caution to the wind and load Ubuntu straight up. If you live by Murphy's Law, then you might want to choose the side of caution and let it load Windows first. Rob Smith -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From svbechtolsheim at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 20:05:58 2008 From: svbechtolsheim at yahoo.com (Stephan V Bechtolsheim) Date: Wed Jan 9 22:06:10 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 Message-ID: <54666.909.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Why discuss something that takes 30 minutes? By the time the original poster had asked the question, he could have installed XP and made sure it works before going on to greater and better things. StvB ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robert Smith > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:22:06 PM > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > > > --- Richard Reina wrote: > > > According to the latest Microcenter add, their $379 > > laptop has Intel > > video (which currently has the best Linux driver > > support) and InviLink From Penguin at WaxMoustache.com Thu Jan 10 02:05:19 2008 From: Penguin at WaxMoustache.com (James Velguth) Date: Thu Jan 10 01:59:58 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Routers of all kinds Message-ID: <4785D1BF.5060008@WaxMoustache.com> Hi, I am in the market for a router. I was looking at NewEgg.com and there are 4 brands that stick out in their list of routers. They are LinkSys, D-Link, TRENDnet and ASUS. Could some of you tell me of your experiences with any or all of these, plus computability with Linux, availability of drivers, firmware(manufacturers and third party) etc. Thanks in advance James From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 06:50:06 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Thu Jan 10 08:50:29 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <54666.909.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <886303.3792.qm@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Because there was more compelling reason to answer the OP's question than to just troll with sarcastic comments! This is a discussion group (as far as I am aware), and a legitimate question had been asked, and so it was answered. If such trivial banter annoys, there is another list where only announcements are posted. A couple of evenings ago, I spent three hours at my local LUG (with seven other people), brainstorming on how to increase attendance at local LUG meetings. One of the possible solutions mentioned was to promote Linux as an alternative, on the desktop, to the giant from Redmond, and then get these "noobs" coming to our meetings to learn more about the OS and how it could make them more productive. During the time that I have been associated with this group, I have seen several comments like the one below. It is a shame that as some work trying to expand Linux use beyond its current base, that others would work to chase away new converts with elitist comments as that to which I am directing this answer. When I originally signed up for this list, I saw nothing in the way of requirements other than a desire to discuss the Linux operating system and how to use it to its best advantage. To the best of my knowledge, there was nothing stating that one had to be a Linux admin/programmer with twenty-plus years of *NIX experience and a master's degree in computer science. As the Linux desktop user base grows (if it is to grow), you are going to see many more folks who only want to be able to use Linux to accomplish there work/play. One possible topic for discussion among this group may be the impact of this to the group. Does this group want to remain as the Linux Users of Northern Illinois, or does it want to evolve into the Linux Elitists of Northern Illinois? If it desires the former, then a much more tolerant attitude for noob-like questions would probably go a long way towards expanding the base. I don't know if every one reading this saw the recent news that the Mac operating system has reached an all-time high of 7% use among Internet client users. Linux was below 0.5% (I believe) in the same article. One thing I have come to notice is the friendliness of the Mac community. They are actually quite inviting. At times, the same could not be said of the Linux community. That is a surefire way to obscurity. I constantly hear folks complaining why don't more hardware vendors port drivers to Linux. Of course, the figures shown above answer that question. If the Linux community wants more recognition from hardware vendors it must grow beyond its current base of users, particularly on the desktop (there isn't too great a call for server WiFi drivers). The community of computer users (of any OS) that are also CIS majors is relatively small today. If Linux is to grow, it will be thanks to adoption by a large number of folks who are not either programmers, engineers, or otherwise *NIX savvy. Some of those folks are going to find there way to this list. I guess the question is, will they be welcomed or shunned? Rob Smith Stephan V Bechtolsheim wrote: Why discuss something that takes 30 minutes? By the time the original poster had asked the question, he could have installed XP and made sure it works before going on to greater and better things. StvB ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robert Smith > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:22:06 PM > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > > > --- Richard Reina wrote: > > > According to the latest Microcenter add, their $379 > > laptop has Intel > > video (which currently has the best Linux driver > > support) and InviLink -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From mlabowicz at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:52:41 2008 From: mlabowicz at gmail.com (Michael Labowicz) Date: Thu Jan 10 08:52:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Routers of all kinds In-Reply-To: <4785D1BF.5060008@WaxMoustache.com> References: <4785D1BF.5060008@WaxMoustache.com> Message-ID: My linksys wrt54gl has served me well. Best of all, it's upgradeable to an "open" firmware such as openwrt (http://openwrt.org/) On Jan 10, 2008 2:05 AM, James Velguth wrote: > Hi, > I am in the market for a router. I was looking at NewEgg.com and > there are 4 brands that stick out in their list of routers. They are > LinkSys, D-Link, TRENDnet and ASUS. Could some of you tell me of your > experiences with any or all of these, plus computability with Linux, > availability of drivers, firmware(manufacturers and third party) etc. > > Thanks in advance > James > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From skie at dragonsvalley.com Thu Jan 10 09:26:47 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Thu Jan 10 09:12:25 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Routers of all kinds In-Reply-To: References: <4785D1BF.5060008@WaxMoustache.com> Message-ID: <200801100926.47408.skie@dragonsvalley.com> I'm currently using a WRT54GL at home (with the DD-WRT firmware) and have bought this model for many people. However, do not get the WRT54G model (notice there's no L at the end of the model name). This one uses less RAM and another OS. The main reason I say not to get it is because I've seen this model fail left and right. It seems to be a hardware failure of some kind since they always end up in an endless reboot or just plain don't work anymore. I've yet to see a WRT54GL fail on me. I know that there are other routers (by Netgear, Buffallo, etc) based on the WRT firmware, but I don't know which models they are, nor do I have any experience with them. On Thursday 10 January 2008 8:52:41 am Michael Labowicz wrote: > My linksys wrt54gl has served me well. Best of all, it's upgradeable to an > "open" firmware such as openwrt (http://openwrt.org/) > > On Jan 10, 2008 2:05 AM, James Velguth wrote: > > Hi, > > I am in the market for a router. I was looking at NewEgg.com and > > there are 4 brands that stick out in their list of routers. They are > > LinkSys, D-Link, TRENDnet and ASUS. Could some of you tell me of your > > experiences with any or all of these, plus computability with Linux, > > availability of drivers, firmware(manufacturers and third party) etc. > > > > Thanks in advance > > James > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From gug at fnal.gov Thu Jan 10 08:37:19 2008 From: gug at fnal.gov (Gerald Guglielmo) Date: Thu Jan 10 09:37:23 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Routers of all kinds In-Reply-To: <4785D1BF.5060008@WaxMoustache.com> References: <4785D1BF.5060008@WaxMoustache.com> Message-ID: <47862D9F.6090103@fnal.gov> Hi, My experience with two D-Link routers is that they are not hard to configure via the web and they start out working well. However over time both routers began to misbehave and resetting or power cycling became a problem. The first one started losing the ability to handshake with the cable modem. Power cycling got to the point that maybe one in ten tries worked. This happened after about 15 months. The second one so far has only been experiencing the power cycle issues now where all of the router lines come up hung. For the first few months both worked fine on power cycling. James Velguth wrote: > Hi, > I am in the market for a router. I was looking at NewEgg.com and > there are 4 brands that stick out in their list of routers. They are > LinkSys, D-Link, TRENDnet and ASUS. Could some of you tell me of your > experiences with any or all of these, plus computability with Linux, > availability of drivers, firmware(manufacturers and third party) etc. > > Thanks in advance > James -- -Jerry-> gug@fnal.gov Pepe's Theory of everything: "Under the right circumstances, things happen." From e.ellington at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 09:53:06 2008 From: e.ellington at gmail.com (Eric Ellington) Date: Thu Jan 10 09:53:22 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <54666.909.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <54666.909.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP installers of Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that installing windows is never an answer to any question on this list. On Jan 9, 2008 10:05 PM, Stephan V Bechtolsheim wrote: > Why discuss something that takes 30 minutes? By the time the original poster had asked the question, he could have installed XP and made sure it works before going on to greater and better things. > > StvB > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Robert Smith > > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:22:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > > > > > > --- Richard Reina wrote: > > > > > According to the latest Microcenter add, their $379 > > > laptop has Intel > > > video (which currently has the best Linux driver > > > support) and InviLink > > > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Eric Ellington e.ellington@gmail.com From scott at cashnetusa.com Thu Jan 10 09:57:39 2008 From: scott at cashnetusa.com (William Scott Lockwood III) Date: Thu Jan 10 09:57:47 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Routers of all kinds In-Reply-To: <47862D9F.6090103@fnal.gov> References: <4785D1BF.5060008@WaxMoustache.com> <47862D9F.6090103@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <1199980659.8329.67.camel@scott-640m.checkgiant.com> Very odd. My experience is very different. I've had my DI-524 for years now, and it's worked like a champ the whole time. Never a problem, it just works. By far my favorite router. I've also had really good luck with NetGear routers. My RT-311 is also still in use, and working flawlessly. On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 08:37 -0600, Gerald Guglielmo wrote: > Hi, > My experience with two D-Link routers is that they are not hard to > configure via the web and they start out working well. However over time > both routers began to misbehave and resetting or power cycling became a > problem. The first one started losing the ability to handshake with the > cable modem. Power cycling got to the point that maybe one in ten tries > worked. This happened after about 15 months. The second one so far has > only been experiencing the power cycle issues now where all of the > router lines come up hung. For the first few months both worked fine on > power cycling. > > James Velguth wrote: > > Hi, > > I am in the market for a router. I was looking at NewEgg.com and > > there are 4 brands that stick out in their list of routers. They are > > LinkSys, D-Link, TRENDnet and ASUS. Could some of you tell me of your > > experiences with any or all of these, plus computability with Linux, > > availability of drivers, firmware(manufacturers and third party) etc. > > From scott at cashnetusa.com Thu Jan 10 10:12:50 2008 From: scott at cashnetusa.com (William Scott Lockwood III) Date: Thu Jan 10 10:12:59 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: <54666.909.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1199981570.8329.74.camel@scott-640m.checkgiant.com> Zealotry is always, always bad. I have a new Express Card from Sprint. They can only be activated under Windows or OS X. What's your solution to getting it working under Linux? On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Ellington wrote: > LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP installers of > Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that > installing windows is never an answer to any question on this list. -- W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA System Administrator 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 (312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ From e.ellington at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 10:38:58 2008 From: e.ellington at gmail.com (Eric Ellington) Date: Thu Jan 10 10:39:07 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <1199981570.8329.74.camel@scott-640m.checkgiant.com> References: <54666.909.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1199981570.8329.74.camel@scott-640m.checkgiant.com> Message-ID: How can it only be used on windows? Do you just need to run a program written for windows? Do you need to supply a valid windows serial number that you bought for the program to work? Can you not make it work using wine, or some other windows API interface. My point is there is always another answer besides install windows even if it is reverse engineer and program it all yourself. If giving up and installing XP is the answer people are going to give on this forum I think I am in the wrong place. OP could have dropped in a live distro wiped the drives and installed whatever he wanted without waiting. If OP wanted to make sure he was following the warranty requirements then there is not really a question. You have to do what they tell you to, or when you take it back to microcenter they will tell you to take a hike. On Jan 10, 2008 10:12 AM, William Scott Lockwood III wrote: > Zealotry is always, always bad. > > I have a new Express Card from Sprint. They can only be activated under > Windows or OS X. What's your solution to getting it working under > Linux? > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Ellington wrote: > > LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP installers of > > Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that > > installing windows is never an answer to any question on this list. > > -- > W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA > System Administrator 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 > scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 > (312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Eric Ellington e.ellington@gmail.com From richard at rushlogistics.com Thu Jan 10 10:56:32 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Thu Jan 10 12:56:40 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Making a perl script run contantly. Message-ID: <730463.13997.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a short perl scripts that waits for input from a serial drive and parses the data. My problem is that if the machine is rebooted then someone has to log in and manually start the script. Can someone be so kind as to advise what would be easiest way to get this script to run automatically in the even that the machine is rebooted? The machine is running Centos. Thanks for any ideas. Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 12:58:35 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Thu Jan 10 12:58:25 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 Message-ID: <200801101858.m0AIwOqn019746@null.sevatech.com> Note that Mr. Lockwod did not say "use," but rather stated "activate." My guess would be that account activation is accomplished through some sort of web form which does not recognize Open Source browsers. Again, as someone else so eloquently stated, zealotry is never he answer. Yes, this is a list for "Linux users," but that should not automatically exclude valid questions which involve Windows. Otherwise Samba becomes off topic. Robert Smith Dona Nobis Pacem +++++ Sent from a Motorola Q www.motorola.com +++++ -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Ellington" To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" Sent: 1/10/2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 How can it only be used on windows? Do you just need to run a program written for windows? Do you need to supply a valid windows serial number that you bought for the program to work? Can you not make it work using wine, or some other windows API interface. My point is there is always another answer besides install windows even if it is reverse engineer and program it all yourself. If giving up and installing XP is the answer people are going to give on this forum I think I am in the wrong place. OP could have dropped in a live distro wiped the drives and installed whatever he wanted without waiting. If OP wanted to make sure he was following the warranty requirements then there is not really a question. You have to do what they tell you to, or when you take it back to microcenter they will tell you to take a hike. On Jan 10, 2008 10:12 AM, William Scott Lockwood III wrote: > Zealotry is always, always bad. > > I have a new Express Card from Sprint. They can only be activated under > Windows or OS X. What's your solution to getting it working under > Linux? > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Ellington wrote: > > LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP installers of > > Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that > > installing windows is never an answer to any question on this list. > > -- > W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA > System Administrator 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 > scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 > (312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Eric Ellington e.ellington@gmail.com -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From fixedored at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 11:07:59 2008 From: fixedored at gmail.com (Jeff D) Date: Thu Jan 10 13:11:16 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Making a perl script run contantly. In-Reply-To: <730463.13997.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730463.13997.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47866D0F.5010902@gmail.com> Richard Reina wrote: > I have a short perl scripts that waits for input from a serial drive and parses the data. My problem is that if the machine is rebooted then someone has to log in and manually start the script. Can someone be so kind as to advise what would be easiest way to get this script to run automatically in the even that the machine is rebooted? The machine is running Centos. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi My first thought would be to put something into /etc/rc.local From linux at unliketea.com Thu Jan 10 13:11:46 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Thu Jan 10 13:11:52 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Making a perl script run contantly. In-Reply-To: <730463.13997.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730463.13997.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39205.69.17.21.59.1199992306.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Create a script in /etc/init.d. Use chkconfig to turn it on. To control service I think there are some good templates out there. For what ever reason I usually start with of a copy of /etc/init.d/sendmail Steve > I have a short perl scripts that waits for input from a serial drive and > parses the data. My problem is that if the machine is rebooted then > someone has to log in and manually start the script. Can someone be so > kind as to advise what would be easiest way to get this script to run > automatically in the even that the machine is rebooted? The machine is > running Centos. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your > words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits > become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 11:21:54 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Thu Jan 10 13:22:01 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Routers of all kinds In-Reply-To: <4785D1BF.5060008@WaxMoustache.com> Message-ID: <218808.93066.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been using a LinkSys BEFSR41 router for over five years without ever experiencing a problem. Prior to that I was on dial-up with Ripco, so I can't give you any practical advice on the others. I do have a now discontinued USRobotics wireless router that I use as an AP, and it to has operated without complaint for at least two years. Rob Smith James Velguth wrote: Hi, I am in the market for a router. I was looking at NewEgg.com and there are 4 brands that stick out in their list of routers. They are LinkSys, D-Link, TRENDnet and ASUS. Could some of you tell me of your experiences with any or all of these, plus computability with Linux, availability of drivers, firmware(manufacturers and third party) etc. Thanks in advance James -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From e.ellington at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 13:27:09 2008 From: e.ellington at gmail.com (Eric Ellington) Date: Thu Jan 10 13:27:20 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <200801101858.m0AIwOqn019746@null.sevatech.com> References: <200801101858.m0AIwOqn019746@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: Never meant to say the question was inappropriate, just the answer to deal with windows. Silly me... back to lurking. Sent from an XP machine, Eric On Jan 10, 2008 12:58 PM, Robert Smith wrote: > Note that Mr. Lockwod did not say "use," but rather stated "activate." My guess would be that account activation is accomplished through some sort of web form which does not recognize Open Source browsers. > > Again, as someone else so eloquently stated, zealotry is never he answer. Yes, this is a list for "Linux users," but that should not automatically exclude valid questions which involve Windows. Otherwise Samba becomes off topic. > > Robert Smith > Dona Nobis Pacem > +++++ > Sent from a Motorola Q > www.motorola.com > +++++ > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Eric Ellington" > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > Sent: 1/10/2008 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > > > How can it only be used on windows? Do you just need to run a program > written for windows? Do you need to supply a valid windows serial > number that you bought for the program to work? Can you not make it > work using wine, or some other windows API interface. > > My point is there is always another answer besides install windows > even if it is reverse engineer and program it all yourself. If giving > up and installing XP is the answer people are going to give on this > forum I think I am in the wrong place. > > OP could have dropped in a live distro wiped the drives and installed > whatever he wanted without waiting. If OP wanted to make sure he was > following the warranty requirements then there is not really a > question. You have to do what they tell you to, or when you take it > back to microcenter they will tell you to take a hike. > > On Jan 10, 2008 10:12 AM, William Scott Lockwood III > wrote: > > Zealotry is always, always bad. > > > > I have a new Express Card from Sprint. They can only be activated under > > Windows or OS X. What's your solution to getting it working under > > Linux? > > > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Ellington wrote: > > > LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP installers of > > > Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that > > > installing windows is never an answer to any question on this list. > > > > -- > > W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA > > System Administrator 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 > > scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 > > (312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ > > > > > > -- > > > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > > > -- > Eric Ellington > e.ellington@gmail.com > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Eric Ellington e.ellington@gmail.com From scott at cashnetusa.com Thu Jan 10 14:01:25 2008 From: scott at cashnetusa.com (William Scott Lockwood III) Date: Thu Jan 10 14:01:34 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <200801101858.m0AIwOqn019746@null.sevatech.com> References: <200801101858.m0AIwOqn019746@null.sevatech.com> Message-ID: <1199995285.8329.110.camel@scott-640m.checkgiant.com> Worse - it's a closed source binary application that does some sort of 'secret handshake' with sprint's servers. On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 12:58 -0600, Robert Smith wrote: > Note that Mr. Lockwod did not say "use," but rather stated "activate." My guess would be that account activation is accomplished through some sort of web form which does not recognize Open Source browsers. > > Again, as someone else so eloquently stated, zealotry is never he answer. Yes, this is a list for "Linux users," but that should not automatically exclude valid questions which involve Windows. Otherwise Samba becomes off topic. > > Robert Smith > Dona Nobis Pacem > +++++ > Sent from a Motorola Q > www.motorola.com > +++++ > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Eric Ellington" > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > Sent: 1/10/2008 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > > How can it only be used on windows? Do you just need to run a program > written for windows? Do you need to supply a valid windows serial > number that you bought for the program to work? Can you not make it > work using wine, or some other windows API interface. > > My point is there is always another answer besides install windows > even if it is reverse engineer and program it all yourself. If giving > up and installing XP is the answer people are going to give on this > forum I think I am in the wrong place. > > OP could have dropped in a live distro wiped the drives and installed > whatever he wanted without waiting. If OP wanted to make sure he was > following the warranty requirements then there is not really a > question. You have to do what they tell you to, or when you take it > back to microcenter they will tell you to take a hike. > > On Jan 10, 2008 10:12 AM, William Scott Lockwood III > wrote: > > Zealotry is always, always bad. > > > > I have a new Express Card from Sprint. They can only be activated under > > Windows or OS X. What's your solution to getting it working under > > Linux? > > > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Ellington wrote: > > > LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP installers of > > > Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that > > > installing windows is never an answer to any question on this > list. From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 15:26:07 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Thu Jan 10 17:26:15 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <488569.24291.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A good hotrodder always gets a baseline to work from before beginning modifications. It's an old racing adage, but it is appropriate here as well. Mine wasn't advice to "deal with Windows," but rather to cover oneself, warranty-wise, in case the hardware, out of the box, had some sort of fault that the manufacturer could then pawn off as user abuse caused by modifying the approved/installed software configuration. I'd hate to go and tell someone to just throw Linux on a new, untested piece of hardware, have them find out that there was a problem with the hardware, and then have them swallowing four hundred plus dollars when the manufacturer denied to fix the problem because the user had voided the warranty by following the advice to modify it. As yourself, I am also sending this from an XP machine (at work I have no choice), but three of my four personal machines are loaded with various flavors of Linux. Rob Smith Eric Ellington wrote: Never meant to say the question was inappropriate, just the answer to deal with windows. Silly me... back to lurking. Sent from an XP machine, Eric On Jan 10, 2008 12:58 PM, Robert Smith wrote: > Note that Mr. Lockwod did not say "use," but rather stated "activate." My guess would be that account activation is accomplished through some sort of web form which does not recognize Open Source browsers. > > Again, as someone else so eloquently stated, zealotry is never he answer. Yes, this is a list for "Linux users," but that should not automatically exclude valid questions which involve Windows. Otherwise Samba becomes off topic. > > Robert Smith > Dona Nobis Pacem > +++++ > Sent from a Motorola Q > www.motorola.com > +++++ > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Eric Ellington" > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > Sent: 1/10/2008 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > > > How can it only be used on windows? Do you just need to run a program > written for windows? Do you need to supply a valid windows serial > number that you bought for the program to work? Can you not make it > work using wine, or some other windows API interface. > > My point is there is always another answer besides install windows > even if it is reverse engineer and program it all yourself. If giving > up and installing XP is the answer people are going to give on this > forum I think I am in the wrong place. > > OP could have dropped in a live distro wiped the drives and installed > whatever he wanted without waiting. If OP wanted to make sure he was > following the warranty requirements then there is not really a > question. You have to do what they tell you to, or when you take it > back to microcenter they will tell you to take a hike. > > On Jan 10, 2008 10:12 AM, William Scott Lockwood III > wrote: > > Zealotry is always, always bad. > > > > I have a new Express Card from Sprint. They can only be activated under > > Windows or OS X. What's your solution to getting it working under > > Linux? > > > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Ellington wrote: > > > LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP installers of > > > Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that > > > installing windows is never an answer to any question on this list. > > > > -- > > W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA > > System Administrator 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 > > scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 > > (312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ > > > > > > -- > > > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > > > -- > Eric Ellington > e.ellington@gmail.com > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Eric Ellington e.ellington@gmail.com -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 15:36:59 2008 From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith) Date: Thu Jan 10 17:37:07 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <1199995285.8329.110.camel@scott-640m.checkgiant.com> Message-ID: <276005.42118.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Once activated, can it then be run under Linux, or does it require Windows every time it connects? That would truly suck! My cellular carrier uses CDMA, and because most of the development work to sync phones with Linux is being done in Europe, it is mostly centered around GSM phones. Thanks to this, the only current recourse to sync or back up my phone's contacts, calendar, and other data is to use a Windows machine. I'd switch to GSM, but my carrier gives pretty good support and their prices don't break the bank. So yes, for me as well, Linux is not ALWAYS the answer! Rob Smith William Scott Lockwood III wrote: Worse - it's a closed source binary application that does some sort of 'secret handshake' with sprint's servers. On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 12:58 -0600, Robert Smith wrote: > Note that Mr. Lockwod did not say "use," but rather stated "activate." My guess would be that account activation is accomplished through some sort of web form which does not recognize Open Source browsers. > > Again, as someone else so eloquently stated, zealotry is never he answer. Yes, this is a list for "Linux users," but that should not automatically exclude valid questions which involve Windows. Otherwise Samba becomes off topic. > > Robert Smith > Dona Nobis Pacem > +++++ > Sent from a Motorola Q > www.motorola.com > +++++ > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Eric Ellington" > To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" > Sent: 1/10/2008 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > > How can it only be used on windows? Do you just need to run a program > written for windows? Do you need to supply a valid windows serial > number that you bought for the program to work? Can you not make it > work using wine, or some other windows API interface. > > My point is there is always another answer besides install windows > even if it is reverse engineer and program it all yourself. If giving > up and installing XP is the answer people are going to give on this > forum I think I am in the wrong place. > > OP could have dropped in a live distro wiped the drives and installed > whatever he wanted without waiting. If OP wanted to make sure he was > following the warranty requirements then there is not really a > question. You have to do what they tell you to, or when you take it > back to microcenter they will tell you to take a hike. > > On Jan 10, 2008 10:12 AM, William Scott Lockwood III > wrote: > > Zealotry is always, always bad. > > > > I have a new Express Card from Sprint. They can only be activated under > > Windows or OS X. What's your solution to getting it working under > > Linux? > > > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Ellington wrote: > > > LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP installers of > > > Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that > > > installing windows is never an answer to any question on this > list. -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From larry at garfieldtech.com Thu Jan 10 19:10:11 2008 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) Date: Thu Jan 10 19:06:30 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <276005.42118.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <276005.42118.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200801101910.11509.larry@garfieldtech.com> On Thursday 10 January 2008, Robert Smith wrote: > Once activated, can it then be run under Linux, or does it require Windows > every time it connects? That would truly suck! Simple solution. Get a card from a company that doesn't truly suck. Vote with your dollars and all that (and then let the company know why you did/didn't buy their product, so it has actual impact). > My cellular carrier uses CDMA, and because most of the development work > to sync phones with Linux is being done in Europe, it is mostly centered > around GSM phones. Thanks to this, the only current recourse to sync or > back up my phone's contacts, calendar, and other data is to use a Windows > machine. I'd switch to GSM, but my carrier gives pretty good support and > their prices don't break the bank. So yes, for me as well, Linux is not > ALWAYS the answer! > > Rob Smith Neither is sticking with CDMA. :-) I have a GSM phone specifically because I wanted the added flexibility of being able to swap out the card and change phones or carriers. The improved device compatibility is good, too. When I bought a laptop recently with the intent of putting Linux on it, I bought it with Vista Home Basic (the cheapest option), and then when I reformatted it I left on the "restore" partition; I just wiped the main drive. I've never actually booted to the restore partition, but, should it ever be needed for some reason, it's still there. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson From rauch at totalnetsolutions.net Thu Jan 10 22:02:52 2008 From: rauch at totalnetsolutions.net (Robert C. Auch) Date: Thu Jan 10 22:03:12 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <1199981570.8329.74.camel@scott-640m.checkgiant.com> References: <54666.909.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1199981570.8329.74.camel@scott-640m.checkgiant.com> Message-ID: <097CDDB70866A24CB3D48CC2713EA02316C67F@tns01.totalnetsolutions.net> I don't know about the "Express Card" specifically... My EVDO built into my Dell laptop was activated by just calling a number - I'm able to *use* it in Linux with no issues. Sometimes, however, just having that Windows VM, or small dual-boot partition is necessary. Best tool for the job, I always say. If getting it working is a problem in Linux, I wrote a "HowTo" a few months back: http://www.totalnetsolutions.net/2007/08/22/evdo-on-debian-ubuntu/ Good luck! Rob 0 ASCII Ribbon campaign - against HTML Email ^ - against auto-execute attachments > -----Original Message----- > From: William Scott Lockwood III [mailto:scott@cashnetusa.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:13 AM > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > > Zealotry is always, always bad. > > I have a new Express Card from Sprint. They can only be > activated under Windows or OS X. What's your solution to > getting it working under Linux? > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Ellington wrote: > > LUNI stands for Linux Users of Northern Illinois. Not XP > installers of > > Northern Illinois. By reading the name alone it is obvious that > > installing windows is never an answer to any question on this list. > > -- > W. Scott Lockwood III CashNetUSA > System Administrator 200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400 > scott@cashnetusa.com Chicago, Il 60606 > (312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://cashnetusa.com/ > > > From knura at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 13:39:57 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Fri Jan 11 02:10:23 2008 Subject: Meaningful captioning of your postings (Was Re: [LUNI] Re: luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6) Message-ID: <200801111339.57568.knura@yahoo.com> Folks, Please use a meaningful subject line. "luni Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6" makes no sense, it does not tell me what the contents of your message is all about. Those who get digest mode, please make a note of this. When you respond, please take a *second* look, a *third* look at the subject line, change it to the subject of the original thread if you see the string "luni Digest" and then give the "send" command to your MUA. HTH, Arun Khan From knura at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 15:23:20 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Fri Jan 11 03:53:30 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Making a perl script run contantly. In-Reply-To: <730463.13997.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730463.13997.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200801111523.20471.knura@yahoo.com> On Friday 11 Jan 2008, Richard Reina wrote: > I have a short perl scripts that waits for input from a serial drive > and parses the data. My problem is that if the machine is rebooted > then someone has to log in and manually start the script. Does the script run in the foreground or in the background? Perhaps you could modify the script to run as a daemon - see webmin on how this is done. As someone suggested, run the daemon from rc.local or an /etc/init.d/