From mswier at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 05:09:15 2008 From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier) Date: Sun Mar 2 07:09:31 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 3/4/08 Message-ID: <498396.40724.qm@web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi, NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on Tuesday 3/4/08. We will be discussing about LDAP. For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/meetings.html#nextmtg mikie -------------- next part -------------- -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From tcameron at redhat.com Sun Mar 2 10:51:40 2008 From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)) Date: Sun Mar 2 10:50:08 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cellular internet access & Linux In-Reply-To: <20080228135422.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.45582fbc35.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080228135422.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.45582fbc35.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <47CADB1C.3040901@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Scott wrote: | I am considering a new laptop and was wondering if anyone out there is | using a Cellular data plan. | I was figuring that a PCMCIA card would be better than built-in so I am | not locked into a particular provider (at least no longer than the | contract term for the plan vs the life of the laptop). | Which of these cards work well with Linux (or is it transparent)? | | Also which carriers should I avoid? I seem to remember Verizon had some | fine print whereby they could terminate your service if you do streaming | audio/video and they determine you are streaming if your monthly | transfer rate exceeds a certain threshold 9even though their plan is | billed as "unlimited". | | - Mike Scott | I have a Verizon PC5750 Rev. A EVDO card, and I freaking LOVE it. I've seen well over 2.5 megs/second download in various cities (Dallas and San Francisco come to mind), and when I was in Chicago two weeks ago it was pretty darned fast there, too. I seem to recall that I was seeing about 1.2 meg/second or so in downtown. The thing I have been really impressed with about VZW is that I get coverage no matter where I am. Even if there is no EVDO service and it has to fall back to what is basically wireless dial-up, I've got service. Now I am literally all over the map, so that might not be a big deal to you, but for me VZW EVDO is a real lifeline. It's like $59/month for unlimited bandwidth, and yes, they do have the disclaimer about excessive use/streaming stuff. For me that's a non-issue because I don't stream anything. I have used the EVDO card to download ISO images a few times, and to update my Red Hat Enterprise Linux laptop. Each of those was big transfers - anywhere from 300 megs to a couple of gigs or so. I never got any flack about it. Thus far I have had no negative experiences with VZW, I recommend them heartily. - -- Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHytscmzle50YHwaARAuSPAKCphSFV/XWlJ1WesaXAyZaluX9xJgCdEF/5 trFITTfpdgzXtwkMKXou4JY= =UzdZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From luni at pyewacket.org Sun Mar 2 10:49:20 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Sun Mar 2 11:49:28 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cellular internet access & Linux Message-ID: <20080302104920.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.3c6220e66f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Cellular internet access & Linux > From: "Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)" > Date: Sun, March 02, 2008 10:51 am > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > It's like $59/month for unlimited bandwidth, and yes, they do have the > disclaimer about excessive use/streaming stuff. For me that's a > non-issue because I don't stream anything. I have used the EVDO card to > download ISO images a few times, and to update my Red Hat Enterprise > Linux laptop. Each of those was big transfers - anywhere from 300 megs > to a couple of gigs or so. I never got any flack about it. My biggest concern with VZW is "how" they determine you are streaming. Cringely had a column about this last fall (don't know if the policy has changed): http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2006/pulpit_20060928_000980.html ... If you are a user of Verizon Wireless's Broadband Access wireless Internet service, "unlimited" means five gigabytes per month or less. ... Also, if I am going to pay for unlimited transfers, I would like that to be truly unlimited and be able to do whatever I want with it (as long as it is not illegal). I don't plan on streaming video with it, but what about watching YouTube videos or video clips from other sites. Would that get me booted? Also, if I have to use torrents to download a couple of DVD ISOs, will that cause them to hammer down on me? - Mike Scott From Corey.Jarrett at sprint.com Mon Mar 3 16:56:17 2008 From: Corey.Jarrett at sprint.com (Jarrett, Corey M [SD]) Date: Mon Mar 3 22:36:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Cellular internet access & Linux In-Reply-To: References: <167731.49682.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500FEE2C210C7B4BA27D47CFAA38EF8815804FF9@PLSWM08C.ad.sprint.com> If you are looking for improved data speeds and coverage, I would recommend Sprint. There has been some press about our merger related issues, but I assure you our customer care is improving right now, and no one carrier is committed to excelling in customer service right now as much as we are .... If you have any questions about what you're reading in the press, I would be happy to sit down to you and share with you what we are doing to improve our products and customer experience.... That's why we have 54 million customers... I am a business account manager assigned to CashNET USA, and all business accounts will have dedicated support reps that you rely on to address any issues that you may have. So whether it's calling into customer care or identifying a technical issue, I would coordinate your issues with our internal care organization .... Sprint Business Sales is unique to any other carrier. If you have consumer accounts with Sprint, we can always make sure you have the most up to date care numbers available. Being a Sprint employee, I believe our networks will speak for themselves... Both our iDEN and CDMA networks are performing at "best ever" levels, however, the "proof is in the pudding" as they like to say... Corey Jarrett Account Executive 312.287.1428 corey.jarrett@sprint.com -----Original Message----- From: Seva Epsteyn [mailto:seva@sevatech.com] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:12 AM To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: Re: [LUNI] Cellular internet access & Linux Wow, how could it possibly be worse. Whom would you guys recommend? -Seva On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Robert Smith wrote: > Going from AT&T to Sprint for customer service reasons is like jumping > from the frying pan into the fire. There's a reason why Sprint is > losing customer like rats jumping off a sinking ship! > > Rob Smith > > > Seva Epsteyn wrote: > I was actually considering switching to Sprint because of their new > unlimited plan and horrible AT&T customer service. Even though my > current AT&T plan includes enough data, voice, and text messages to be > effectively unlimited and is cheaper. > > I was considering getting an EV-DO Blackberry like the 8130 or the > apparently upcoming 8330. However, I just learned that their new > unlimited plan doesn't include Blackberry devices so I am back to > waiting for a 3G phone I like, perhaps for a WiMax device or a 3G > iPhone in the future. > > -Seva > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, William Scott Lockwood III wrote: > > > Well, depending on the type of technology you go with, vendor lock > > in isn't a problem. Vaio's can be unlocked to work with any SIM from > > any carrier. Sprint and Verizon can use a lot of the same tech as > > well. We use these at work on the Sprint network (which rocks, it's > > fast, and unlimited really does mean unlimited) which has been > > excellent for us, since they now also offer international service. > > > > I'll CC our guy at Sprint - if you have questions about devices, > > he's a good source of information. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Scott > > Reply-To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > To: luni@luni.org > > Subject: [LUNI] Cellular internet access & Linux > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:54:22 -0700 > > > > I am considering a new laptop and was wondering if anyone out there > > is using a Cellular data plan. > > I was figuring that a PCMCIA card would be better than built-in so I > > am not locked into a particular provider (at least no longer than > > the contract term for the plan vs the life of the laptop). > > Which of these cards work well with Linux (or is it transparent)? > > > > Also which carriers should I avoid? I seem to remember Verizon had > > some fine print whereby they could terminate your service if you do > > streaming audio/video and they determine you are streaming if your > > monthly transfer rate exceeds a certain threshold 9even though their > > plan is billed as "unlimited". > > > > - Mike Scott > > > > > From mswier at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 15:30:43 2008 From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier) Date: Tue Mar 4 17:30:55 2008 Subject: [LUNI] ANN: Re: NWCLUG's next meeting 3/4/08 (today) Message-ID: <893136.52487.qm@web57014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> oops We will be discussing Zabbix. mikie Mike Swier wrote: Hi, NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on Tuesday 3/4/08. We will be discussing about LDAP. For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/meetings.html#nextmtg mikie -------------- next part -------------- -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Announcements Mailing List http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni-announce From knura at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 13:51:28 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Wed Mar 5 02:21:38 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Linux friendly WebCam Message-ID: <200803051351.28240.knura@yahoo.com> I am considering purchase of a Linux supported web cam. Please suggest brand/model that has worked for you. TIA, -- Arun Khan From sobolak at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 13:24:14 2008 From: sobolak at gmail.com (sobolak@gmail.com) Date: Wed Mar 5 07:24:40 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Differences btwn RHE3 and RHE4 Message-ID: <476941071-1204723459-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1907012084-@bxe146.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi -- We're moving a major app from citrix to a web/java app server environment on Linux. (Yeah!) The vendor has certified the app on RHE4, but our prod environment is RHE3. Can anyone explain the major differences between language either a PHB will understand or what my Unix team, who know Unix fairly well but not Linux, might understand? (I have a good english2PHB converter available--it's a script called "me".) Brian Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From timborn at alcatel-lucent.com Wed Mar 5 07:34:48 2008 From: timborn at alcatel-lucent.com (Tim Born) Date: Wed Mar 5 09:12:17 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Differences btwn RHE3 and RHE4 In-Reply-To: <476941071-1204723459-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1907012084-@bxe146.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <476941071-1204723459-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1907012084-@bxe146.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <47CEA178.9030004@alcatel-lucent.com> sobolak@gmail.com wrote: >Hi -- > >We're moving a major app from citrix to a web/java app server environment on Linux. (Yeah!) The vendor has certified the app on RHE4, but our prod environment is RHE3. > >Can anyone explain the major differences between language either a PHB will understand or what my Unix team, who know Unix fairly well but not Linux, might understand? > >(I have a good english2PHB converter available--it's a script called "me".) > >Brian >Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > There's a thread on this here: What is the major difference between RH 3 and RH 4 summary: udev, hal, and 2.6 kernel -- Tim Born Computing and Software Principles Research "The old 1127" Email: timborn@alcatel-lucent.com Voice: +1 630/979-3118 IM: timborn@lucent.com on Jabber server exptools.web.lucent.com (See http://exptools.web.lucent.com/jabber.html) -- "Not a single open-source software program has ever been sued for patent infringement, much less be found to infringe, while proprietary software, like Windows, is sued and found guilty of patent infringement quite frequently." -Dan Ravicher, author of the OSRM study and the executive director of the Public Patent Foundation From kgarner at kgarner.com Wed Mar 5 11:45:56 2008 From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Wed Mar 5 11:46:02 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Differences btwn RHE3 and RHE4 In-Reply-To: <47CEA178.9030004@alcatel-lucent.com> References: <476941071-1204723459-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1907012084-@bxe146.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <47CEA178.9030004@alcatel-lucent.com> Message-ID: <47CEDC54.3060700@kgarner.com> On 3/5/08 7:34 AM, Tim Born wrote: > sobolak@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi -- >> >> We're moving a major app from citrix to a web/java app server >> environment on Linux. (Yeah!) The vendor has certified the app on >> RHE4, but our prod environment is RHE3. >> Can anyone explain the major differences between language either a PHB >> will understand or what my Unix team, who know Unix fairly well but >> not Linux, might understand? >> (I have a good english2PHB converter available--it's a script called >> "me".) >> >> Brian >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> >> > There's a thread on this here: What is the major difference between RH 3 > and RH 4 > > summary: udev, hal, and 2.6 kernel For a PHB, I'd also point out shelf life. RHEL4 will be supported for at least one more year than RHEL3 at this point. Keith -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From seva at sevatech.com Wed Mar 5 13:04:33 2008 From: seva at sevatech.com (Seva Epsteyn) Date: Wed Mar 5 13:04:35 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Differences btwn RHE3 and RHE4 In-Reply-To: <476941071-1204723459-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1907012084-@bxe146.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <476941071-1204723459-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1907012084-@bxe146.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Just a note, current RHEL release is 5.1 On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, sobolak@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi -- > > We're moving a major app from citrix to a web/java app server environment on Linux. (Yeah!) The vendor has certified the app on RHE4, but our prod environment is RHE3. > > Can anyone explain the major differences between language either a PHB will understand or what my Unix team, who know Unix fairly well but not Linux, might understand? > > (I have a good english2PHB converter available--it's a script called "me".) > > Brian > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > From linux at unliketea.com Wed Mar 5 14:38:34 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Wed Mar 5 14:38:39 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Replacing Apache Certs Message-ID: <50959.69.17.21.59.1204749514.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Good Afternoon, It seems my predecessor did not keep good records and lost the csr file for one of our apache ssl certs. Can someone verify that as long as key and web address are the same the users should not see any warning/error dialogs etc. It should be just like renewing the old cert. Thanks Steve From sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 16:50:24 2008 From: sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug) Date: Wed Mar 5 16:50:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] help on open office (or exel) Message-ID: <47CF23B0.7020807@comcast.net> Is there a way to tell it to allow more than 65K rows? Specifically I need 110,000 rows. Thanks, this is pretty urgent./ I know I can put it into multiple sheets, but I don't know how to manipulate data on multiple sheets together, i.e. sort data across multiple sheets. -- Carey Tyler Schug From mark at msbrepairs.com Wed Mar 5 17:19:26 2008 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Wed Mar 5 17:19:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] help on open office (or exel) In-Reply-To: <47CF23B0.7020807@comcast.net> References: <47CF23B0.7020807@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47CF2A7E.6030007@msbrepairs.com> I don't know if this will help, but there is apparently a hack for this very purpose .. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Calc/hacks/number_of_rows Carey Tyler Schug wrote: > Is there a way to tell it to allow more than 65K rows? Specifically I > need 110,000 rows. > > Thanks, this is pretty urgent./ > > I know I can put it into multiple sheets, but I don't know how to > manipulate data on multiple sheets together, i.e. sort data across > multiple sheets. > From sjk at cupacoffee.net Thu Mar 6 12:12:36 2008 From: sjk at cupacoffee.net (sjk) Date: Thu Mar 6 15:02:38 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Job: Network Operations Engineer Message-ID: <47D03414.9000308@cupacoffee.net> I have a position open for a linux heavy network engineer if anyone is interested. Thanks -- Steve ------------------------------------------------------------ onShore Networks is seeking a qualified network engineer to join our ISP department. onShore Networks is a 15 year old consultancy with strong ties to the Open Source movement. We provide full benefits and a business casual work environment. Requirements: * A solid knowledge of IP protocols and address management * Understanding of routing protocols - ospf, bgp * Experience in Cisco switch and router configuration and maintenance * 1 year minimum experience working Linux / Unix environment * Experience in troubleshooting DS-1 - OC-3 circuits * Some knowledge of M13 multiplexing and management * Excellent written and verbal communications skills Position: This is a network operations position in our ISP division. The selected candidate will work in a small team to monitor and maintain network stability, perform troubleshooting and complete projects related to general growth and new services. This is a full-time position with a benefits package. Salary is dependent upon experience and performance. Applicants are expected to submit resume and a salary history to jobs@onshore.com. -- http://www.sleepycatz.com sjk@cupacoffee.net fingerprint: 1024D/89420B8E 2001-09-16 No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir From richard at rushlogistics.com Fri Mar 7 05:20:54 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Fri Mar 7 07:27:44 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. Message-ID: <136160.2499.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, Anyone know if there's a way to play a video on you tube, with my vlc media player? Thanks, Richard Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From brian at brianm.org Fri Mar 7 08:01:40 2008 From: brian at brianm.org (Brian) Date: Fri Mar 7 08:01:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. In-Reply-To: <136160.2499.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <136160.2499.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Richard Reina wrote: > > Anyone know if there's a way to play a video on you tube, with my vlc media player? The format is FLV, and VLC supports it. Google something like "youtube rip flv" From zemote at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 14:20:52 2008 From: zemote at gmail.com (Jeff O'Hara) Date: Fri Mar 7 14:20:56 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. In-Reply-To: References: <136160.2499.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7d4375af0803071220j74791f25p48cf683f681df648@mail.gmail.com> There is a downloadhelper plugin for firefox, to make it easy to actually download the flv file. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Richard Reina > wrote: > > > > Anyone know if there's a way to play a video on you tube, with my vlc > media player? > > The format is FLV, and VLC supports it. Google something like "youtube rip > flv" > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From kgarner at kgarner.com Fri Mar 7 14:41:36 2008 From: kgarner at kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Fri Mar 7 14:41:39 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. In-Reply-To: <7d4375af0803071220j74791f25p48cf683f681df648@mail.gmail.com> References: <136160.2499.qm@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7d4375af0803071220j74791f25p48cf683f681df648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D1A880.1080201@kgarner.com> BetterYouTube is another good firefox extention that adds a download link. On 3/7/08 2:20 PM, Jeff O'Hara wrote: > There is a downloadhelper plugin for firefox, to make it easy to actually > download the flv file. > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Richard Reina >> wrote: >>> Anyone know if there's a way to play a video on you tube, with my vlc >> media player? >> >> The format is FLV, and VLC supports it. Google something like "youtube rip >> flv" >> -- >> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion >> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni >> -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From richard at rushlogistics.com Fri Mar 7 13:27:43 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Fri Mar 7 15:27:53 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. In-Reply-To: <7d4375af0803071220j74791f25p48cf683f681df648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <646821.38067.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Would you happen to know the name of the plugin? Can I install it from apt-get? Jeff O'Hara wrote: There is a downloadhelper plugin for firefox, to make it easy to actually download the flv file. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Richard Reina > wrote: > > > > Anyone know if there's a way to play a video on you tube, with my vlc > media player? > > The format is FLV, and VLC supports it. Google something like "youtube rip > flv" > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From luni at pyewacket.org Fri Mar 7 15:26:10 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:26:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. Message-ID: <20080307152610.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.cc262c3301.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> You install the FireFox plugin from within FireFox. Select Tools from the menu then Add-ons from the drop down. This will list all of your currently loaded extensions and in the lower right corner of the window there is a link "Get Extensions" That will take you to FireFox's add-on page where you'll find a search bar. Type "better youtube" in and it should take you right where you need to go. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. > From: Richard Reina > Date: Fri, March 07, 2008 3:27 pm > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > Would you happen to know the name of the plugin? Can I install it from apt-get? > > Jeff O'Hara wrote: There is a downloadhelper plugin for firefox, to make it easy to actually > download the flv file. > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian > wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Richard Reina > > wrote: > > > > > > Anyone know if there's a way to play a video on you tube, with my vlc > > media player? > > > > The format is FLV, and VLC supports it. Google something like "youtube rip > > flv" > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From wb8nbs at prodigy.net Fri Mar 7 21:50:47 2008 From: wb8nbs at prodigy.net (Jim Harvey) Date: Fri Mar 7 21:57:16 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. In-Reply-To: <646821.38067.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <646821.38067.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D20D17.8000903@prodigy.net> Richard Reina wrote: > Would you happen to know the name of the plugin? Can I install it from apt-get? > > Jeff O'Hara wrote: There is a downloadhelper plugin for firefox, to make it easy to actually > download the flv file. > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian > wrote: > > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Richard Reina >> wrote: >> >>> Anyone know if there's a way to play a video on you tube, with my vlc >>> >> media player? >> >> The format is FLV, and VLC supports it. Google something like "youtube rip >> FLV >> Download Helper https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006 I've never been able to get it to work. -- - JBH 'Tell me, child. Have you heard of the Background D?mon of Life?' From richard at rushlogistics.com Sat Mar 8 06:13:35 2008 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Sat Mar 8 08:13:42 2008 Subject: [LUNI] VLC and YouTube. In-Reply-To: <47D20D17.8000903@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <86140.13077.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for all the replies. I'll give this a try. Jim Harvey wrote: Richard Reina wrote: > Would you happen to know the name of the plugin? Can I install it from apt-get? > > Jeff O'Hara wrote: There is a downloadhelper plugin for firefox, to make it easy to actually > download the flv file. > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian > wrote: > > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Richard Reina >> wrote: >> >>> Anyone know if there's a way to play a video on you tube, with my vlc >>> >> media player? >> >> The format is FLV, and VLC supports it. Google something like "youtube rip >> FLV >> Download Helper https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006 I've never been able to get it to work. -- - JBH 'Tell me, child. Have you heard of the Background D?mon of Life?' -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni Your beliefs become your thoughts. Your thoughts become your words. Your words become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values. Your values become your destiny. -- Mahatma Gandhi From RCRamsdell at gldd.com Tue Mar 11 10:25:46 2008 From: RCRamsdell at gldd.com (RCRamsdell@gldd.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 09:36:08 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? Message-ID: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> Forwarded from the ChiPy list. Can anyone provide Carl with pointers? Reply to all so that Carl sees your answer. Robert > -----Original Message----- > From: chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org > [mailto:chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org] On > Behalf Of Carl Karsten > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:29 PM > To: Chicago@python.org > Subject: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? > > I need to get 4 laptops to run Ubuntu. Dell sells laptops > with Ubuntu loaded, and I would like to get one of those. > tomorrow. I don't have time to wait for them to assemble and > ship it. (yeah, like many things, should have done this a > week ago...) > > So, anyone know a store around here that can sell me one? > > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From mark at msbrepairs.com Tue Mar 11 11:03:02 2008 From: mark at msbrepairs.com (Mark Stuart Burge) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:03:16 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> Message-ID: <47D69F26.7010008@msbrepairs.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://luni.org/pipermail/luni/attachments/20080311/f99cddac/attachment.htm From gug at fnal.gov Tue Mar 11 10:53:16 2008 From: gug at fnal.gov (gug) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:59:26 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> Message-ID: <47D69CDC.4020306@fnal.gov> Hi, I think BestBuy sells Dells now. Probably not the Linux loaded versions, but it might be worth calling a store. I am not recommending them in any way, they are just about the last store in my area for times I don't want to wait for shipping. RCRamsdell@gldd.com wrote: > Forwarded from the ChiPy list. Can anyone provide Carl with pointers? > >Reply to all so that Carl sees your answer. > >Robert > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org >>[mailto:chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org] On >>Behalf Of Carl Karsten >>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:29 PM >>To: Chicago@python.org >>Subject: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? >> >>I need to get 4 laptops to run Ubuntu. Dell sells laptops >>with Ubuntu loaded, and I would like to get one of those. >>tomorrow. I don't have time to wait for them to assemble and >>ship it. (yeah, like many things, should have done this a >>week ago...) >> >>So, anyone know a store around here that can sell me one? >> >> >>Carl K >>_______________________________________________ >>Chicago mailing list >>Chicago@python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> >> > > > -- -Jerry-> gug@fnal.gov Pepe's Theory of everything: "Under the right circumstances, things happen." From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Tue Mar 11 12:13:15 2008 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean lynch) Date: Tue Mar 11 11:33:52 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <47D69F26.7010008@msbrepairs.com> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> <47D69F26.7010008@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <47D6AF9B.4030707@sean-lynch.com> Dells with Linux are only available through Dell's website. http://dell.com/linux I am currently using a Dell 1420n that came with with Ubuntu. If you look at Dells in a store they may have the same models as on the Linux site, but there may be internal differences. Windows based Dells may use these options: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspnnb_1420?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs The Linux model has a subset of these that are supported by Linux. For instance only the Intel? 3945 802.11a/g wireless card is offered on the Linux models. The Linux model offers a few other benefits. Dell's price includes a licensed copy of LinDVD, allowing legal playback of encrypted DVD's. Dell also provides drivers for the winmodem in their Linux laptops. If you choose to purchase locally, choose a model with components used in the Linux version, and you can load a copy of Dell's 'tweaked' Ubuntu from here: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.10 These Dell ISO's contain many of the Dell specific drivers you will need, *but do not contain a copy of LinDVD*! That is only available pre-installed. I am not the biggest Ubuntu fan, and am usually happy with debian (no flamefest please, Ubuntu is close enough that I keep trying to do debian specific stuff instead of learning the Ubuntu way, the unhappiness is due to my own mis-use). I have been happy with the laptop over the last month. I upgraded to XFCE from the Ubuntu standard Gnome and that has made life better for me. I also ordered the laptop with 1 GB Ram, and upgraded to 4GB on my own. This was cheaper than Dell's upgrade price. The Ubuntu installed is 32bit, so I only get 3.5 GB of the 4.0GB, but it is more than enough. System 76 and ZAreason also offer very nice Linux laptops at reasonable prices. I configured a model at System 76 that came within $20.00 of the Dell model, however I googled for "Dell Coupons" and tried and found one that knocked $250.00 off my purchase and gave me free shipping. Check out LXer's database of pre-installed and NO-os vendors for other options: http://lxer.com/module/db/index.php?dbn=14 I received my laptop 1 week after placing the order, although Dell estimated it would take 2 weeks. There have been times that Dell has taken a month or more for some people. Order from Dell Linux site Pluses: DVD Playback Hardware support possible coupon savings Minuses: wait for delivery Its a Dell (not a System76 or something more purely Linux-ey) Go to store and load Linux your self. pluses: Immediate delivery may find better deals on Windows equipment because crapware pays to be placed on machine will get a real satisfying feeling when you delete Windows. minuses: research your hardware choices may have to implement DVD de-cryption work arounds. Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > I don't know of a local store where they sell dell computers > pre-loaded with linux, however, if you take a live cd along to some > stores (fry's don't mind) they will allow you to boot into a live cd > to test compatibility. > > Perhaps dell by now offer a download of their images ?? (long shot !) > > > >>> >> >> > > > RCRamsdell@gldd.com wrote: >> Forwarded from the ChiPy list. Can anyone provide Carl with pointers? >> >> Reply to all so that Carl sees your answer. >> >> Robert >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org >>> [mailto:chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org] On >>> Behalf Of Carl Karsten >>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:29 PM >>> To: Chicago@python.org >>> Subject: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? >>> >>> I need to get 4 laptops to run Ubuntu. Dell sells laptops >>> with Ubuntu loaded, and I would like to get one of those. >>> tomorrow. I don't have time to wait for them to assemble and >>> ship it. (yeah, like many things, should have done this a >>> week ago...) >>> >>> So, anyone know a store around here that can sell me one? >>> >>> >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> >> From trev at advanced-reality.com Tue Mar 11 13:31:12 2008 From: trev at advanced-reality.com (Trev Peterson) Date: Tue Mar 11 12:31:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> Message-ID: <1205256672.6531.60.camel@aegir> Not sure if you can buy the Dells preloaded with Linux anywhere other than Dell. That said, I've loaded Ubuntu Gusty on the following with great success: Vostro 1500 Intel X3100 Intel 4965 or Intel 3945 Wireless Integrated Webcam If you can find this config in the stores you could load Ubuntu on the machines. You will need to load a package legacy-sound or something similar to get the audio working but other than that this config works exceptionally well (including hibernate). HTH, On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 09:25 -0500, RCRamsdell@gldd.com wrote: > Forwarded from the ChiPy list. Can anyone provide Carl with pointers? > > Reply to all so that Carl sees your answer. > > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org > > [mailto:chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org] On > > Behalf Of Carl Karsten > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:29 PM > > To: Chicago@python.org > > Subject: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? > > > > I need to get 4 laptops to run Ubuntu. Dell sells laptops > > with Ubuntu loaded, and I would like to get one of those. > > tomorrow. I don't have time to wait for them to assemble and > > ship it. (yeah, like many things, should have done this a > > week ago...) > > > > So, anyone know a store around here that can sell me one? > > > > > > Carl K > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > -- Trev Peterson Advanced Reality Email: trev@advanced-reality.com Phone: +1 847 406 9018 From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Tue Mar 11 14:09:23 2008 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean lynch) Date: Tue Mar 11 13:09:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <1205256672.6531.60.camel@aegir> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> <1205256672.6531.60.camel@aegir> Message-ID: <47D6CAD3.3040304@sean-lynch.com> Dell specific Ubuntu iso's are linked to here for various models: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.10 You must still choose hardware as in Trev's e-mail. Trev Peterson wrote: > Not sure if you can buy the Dells preloaded with Linux anywhere other > than Dell. > > That said, I've loaded Ubuntu Gusty on the following with great success: > > Vostro 1500 > Intel X3100 > Intel 4965 or Intel 3945 Wireless > Integrated Webcam > > If you can find this config in the stores you could load Ubuntu on the > machines. > > You will need to load a package legacy-sound or something similar to get > the audio working but other than that this config works exceptionally > well (including hibernate). HTH, > > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 09:25 -0500, RCRamsdell@gldd.com wrote: > >> Forwarded from the ChiPy list. Can anyone provide Carl with pointers? >> >> Reply to all so that Carl sees your answer. >> >> Robert >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org >>> [mailto:chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org] On >>> Behalf Of Carl Karsten >>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:29 PM >>> To: Chicago@python.org >>> Subject: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? >>> >>> I need to get 4 laptops to run Ubuntu. Dell sells laptops >>> with Ubuntu loaded, and I would like to get one of those. >>> tomorrow. I don't have time to wait for them to assemble and >>> ship it. (yeah, like many things, should have done this a >>> week ago...) >>> >>> So, anyone know a store around here that can sell me one? >>> >>> >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> From luni at pyewacket.org Tue Mar 11 13:46:06 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:46:14 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? Message-ID: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> I seem to remember reading that it's cheaper to buy a Dell with Windows and then blow it away and install Linux. Apparently, Dell doesn't offer the same deals on Linux boxen that it does on 'dozers'. Though I hate to pay the "Microsoft Tax" on any hardware, that might be the quickest way to get running, and cheaper in the long run. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local > store? > From: sean lynch > Date: Tue, March 11, 2008 1:09 pm > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > Dell specific Ubuntu iso's are linked to here for various models: > http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.10 > > You must still choose hardware as in Trev's e-mail. From ohrock at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 15:55:10 2008 From: ohrock at gmail.com (Roberto Serrano) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:55:13 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> References: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <3d76512f0803111255o1fd12117se829033b0796c98d@mail.gmail.com> That is true only for a few minutes. Generally they update the ubuntu site with in minutes of price changes, to always be $50 less than a similar configuration with Vista Home. Roberto On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Mike Scott wrote: > I seem to remember reading that it's cheaper to buy a Dell with Windows > and then blow it away and install Linux. > Apparently, Dell doesn't offer the same deals on Linux boxen that it > does on 'dozers'. Though I hate to pay the "Microsoft Tax" on any > hardware, that might be the quickest way to get running, and cheaper in > the long run. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local > > store? > > From: sean lynch > > Date: Tue, March 11, 2008 1:09 pm > > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > > > Dell specific Ubuntu iso's are linked to here for various models: > > http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.10 > > > > You must still choose hardware as in Trev's e-mail. > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From kr at cybsft.com Tue Mar 11 15:53:06 2008 From: kr at cybsft.com (K.R. Foley) Date: Tue Mar 11 15:06:18 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> References: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <47D6E322.2030602@cybsft.com> Mike Scott wrote: > I seem to remember reading that it's cheaper to buy a Dell with Windows > and then blow it away and install Linux. > Apparently, Dell doesn't offer the same deals on Linux boxen that it > does on 'dozers'. Though I hate to pay the "Microsoft Tax" on any > hardware, that might be the quickest way to get running, and cheaper in > the long run. > That could very well be true. As someone else already touched on in this thread, systems with windows installed may have incentives associated with them that make them cheaper. So, could it be that even with the "Microsoft Tax" systems end up being cheaper in the short term? -- kr From nbi at wideopenwest.com Tue Mar 11 16:15:04 2008 From: nbi at wideopenwest.com (nbi@wideopenwest.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 15:19:19 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> References: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <47D6E848.6010805@wideopenwest.com> Yes, that Dell price difference was reported in a recent issue of Linux Journal. It may not be necessary to completely wipe Windows off the system. In fact you may regret having done so later on when you need to run legacy apps only available for 'Doze. For starters I would make it a dual boot system by shrinking the ntfs partitions (for preinstalled Windows there's often 2, one of which is for disaster recovery) and partitioning the resulting free space for Linux. It's usually safe to put GRUB in the mbr so after having done that you'll have a convenient dual boot system. As a finishing touch I would add fuse support and ntfs-3g for NTFS R/W access from linux. My recommendation for distro would be Debian as I consider linux in a multi-boot scenario as "mission critical" and would want the most solid and dependable distro available. Others would probably fit the bill too, but Debian always ranks at the top of distro polls for good reason. Mike Scott wrote: > I seem to remember reading that it's cheaper to buy a Dell with Windows > and then blow it away and install Linux. > Apparently, Dell doesn't offer the same deals on Linux boxen that it > does on 'dozers'. Though I hate to pay the "Microsoft Tax" on any > hardware, that might be the quickest way to get running, and cheaper in > the long run. > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local >> store? >> From: sean lynch >> Date: Tue, March 11, 2008 1:09 pm >> To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion >> >> >> Dell specific Ubuntu iso's are linked to here for various models: >> http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.10 >> >> You must still choose hardware as in Trev's e-mail. >> > > From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Tue Mar 11 16:21:03 2008 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean lynch) Date: Tue Mar 11 15:21:04 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <3d76512f0803111255o1fd12117se829033b0796c98d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <3d76512f0803111255o1fd12117se829033b0796c98d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D6E9AF.6080101@sean-lynch.com> For Dell only purchases this is true. But you might find an Acer or Toshiba at a store that lists the same hardware but is cheaper than the Dell due to crapware based price reductions. I bought an HP desktop a few years ago for pretty cheap. I figured the low price was due to the crapware. Roberto Serrano wrote: > That is true only for a few minutes. > > Generally they update the ubuntu site with in minutes of price changes, to > always be $50 less than a similar configuration with Vista Home. > > Roberto > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Mike Scott wrote: > > >> I seem to remember reading that it's cheaper to buy a Dell with Windows >> and then blow it away and install Linux. >> Apparently, Dell doesn't offer the same deals on Linux boxen that it >> does on 'dozers'. Though I hate to pay the "Microsoft Tax" on any >> hardware, that might be the quickest way to get running, and cheaper in >> the long run. >> >> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local >>> store? >>> From: sean lynch >>> Date: Tue, March 11, 2008 1:09 pm >>> To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion >>> >>> >>> Dell specific Ubuntu iso's are linked to here for various models: >>> http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.10 >>> >>> You must still choose hardware as in Trev's e-mail. >>> >> -- >> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion >> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni >> >> From linux at unliketea.com Tue Mar 11 16:51:22 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Tue Mar 11 15:51:24 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Level3 Replacement Message-ID: <53583.69.17.21.59.1205268682.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Hey Folks, At work we currently use Level3 as our CoLoc ISP. I am having loads of trouble with them from a sales and support stand point. I am looking for near backbone access in downtown Chicago. Does anyone have a recommendation, experiences good or bad? Thanks Steve From eric at macadie.net Tue Mar 11 17:19:42 2008 From: eric at macadie.net (Eric MacAdie) Date: Tue Mar 11 16:19:25 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <47D6E848.6010805@wideopenwest.com> References: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <47D6E848.6010805@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <47D6F76E.1030405@MacAdie.net> How do you shrink the ntfs partition? Do you do this before installing Linux? I have Ubuntu on a few systems, but I always get a second hard drive and use one drive for each OS. Eric MacAdie nbi@wideopenwest.com wrote: > Yes, that Dell price difference was reported in a recent issue of > Linux Journal. > > It may not be necessary to completely wipe Windows off the system. In > fact you may regret having done so later on when you need to run > legacy apps only available for 'Doze. > > For starters I would make it a dual boot system by shrinking the ntfs > partitions (for preinstalled Windows there's often 2, one of which is > for disaster recovery) and partitioning the resulting free space for > Linux. It's usually safe to put GRUB in the mbr so after having done > that you'll have a convenient dual boot system. As a finishing touch I > would add fuse support and ntfs-3g for NTFS R/W access from linux. > > My recommendation for distro would be Debian as I consider linux in a > multi-boot scenario as "mission critical" and would want the most > solid and dependable distro available. Others would probably fit the > bill too, but Debian always ranks at the top of distro polls for good > reason. > From nbi at wideopenwest.com Tue Mar 11 17:47:10 2008 From: nbi at wideopenwest.com (nbi@wideopenwest.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 16:47:22 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <47D6F76E.1030405@MacAdie.net> References: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <47D6E848.6010805@wideopenwest.com> <47D6F76E.1030405@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <47D6FDDE.505@wideopenwest.com> Eric MacAdie wrote: > How do you shrink the ntfs partition? Do you do this before installing > Linux? Vista allows shrinking via Disk Services under Computer Management. Can't remember if XP allows that. You could use Partition Magic for that. > > I have Ubuntu on a few systems, but I always get a second hard drive > and use one drive for each OS. That's sensible but not necessarily practical in the case of laptops. > > Eric MacAdie > > nbi@wideopenwest.com wrote: >> Yes, that Dell price difference was reported in a recent issue of >> Linux Journal. >> >> It may not be necessary to completely wipe Windows off the system. In >> fact you may regret having done so later on when you need to run >> legacy apps only available for 'Doze. >> >> For starters I would make it a dual boot system by shrinking the ntfs >> partitions (for preinstalled Windows there's often 2, one of which is >> for disaster recovery) and partitioning the resulting free space for >> Linux. It's usually safe to put GRUB in the mbr so after having done >> that you'll have a convenient dual boot system. As a finishing touch >> I would add fuse support and ntfs-3g for NTFS R/W access from linux. >> >> My recommendation for distro would be Debian as I consider linux in a >> multi-boot scenario as "mission critical" and would want the most >> solid and dependable distro available. Others would probably fit the >> bill too, but Debian always ranks at the top of distro polls for good >> reason. >> > From skie at dragonsvalley.com Tue Mar 11 16:51:56 2008 From: skie at dragonsvalley.com (Branko Kotur) Date: Tue Mar 11 16:52:07 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <47D6F76E.1030405@MacAdie.net> References: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <47D6E848.6010805@wideopenwest.com> <47D6F76E.1030405@MacAdie.net> Message-ID: <200803111651.56803.skie@dragonsvalley.com> On Tuesday 11 March 2008 04:19:42 pm Eric MacAdie wrote: > How do you shrink the ntfs partition? Do you do this before installing > Linux? > You can use a GParted ISO to resize partitions. Most popular distro's also allow you to do this. > I have Ubuntu on a few systems, but I always get a second hard drive and > use one drive for each OS. > > Eric MacAdie > > nbi@wideopenwest.com wrote: > > Yes, that Dell price difference was reported in a recent issue of > > Linux Journal. > > > > It may not be necessary to completely wipe Windows off the system. In > > fact you may regret having done so later on when you need to run > > legacy apps only available for 'Doze. > > > > For starters I would make it a dual boot system by shrinking the ntfs > > partitions (for preinstalled Windows there's often 2, one of which is > > for disaster recovery) and partitioning the resulting free space for > > Linux. It's usually safe to put GRUB in the mbr so after having done > > that you'll have a convenient dual boot system. As a finishing touch I > > would add fuse support and ntfs-3g for NTFS R/W access from linux. > > > > My recommendation for distro would be Debian as I consider linux in a > > multi-boot scenario as "mission critical" and would want the most > > solid and dependable distro available. Others would probably fit the > > bill too, but Debian always ranks at the top of distro polls for good > > reason. From theuteck at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 17:59:28 2008 From: theuteck at gmail.com (uteck) Date: Tue Mar 11 16:59:38 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <47D6FDDE.505@wideopenwest.com> References: <20080311124606.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.1714abe614.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> <47D6F76E.1030405@MacAdie.net> <47D6FDDE.505@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <200803111659.28535.theuteck@gmail.com> Gparted will shrink NTFS with no problem. Some distros use it for their partinintoner in the installer, or you can get a gparted livecd. http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/ On Tuesday 11 March 2008 4:47:10 pm nbi@wideopenwest.com wrote: > Eric MacAdie wrote: > > How do you shrink the ntfs partition? Do you do this before installing > > Linux? > > Vista allows shrinking via Disk Services under Computer Management. > Can't remember if XP allows that. You could use Partition Magic for that. > > > I have Ubuntu on a few systems, but I always get a second hard drive > > and use one drive for each OS. > > That's sensible but not necessarily practical in the case of laptops. > > > Eric MacAdie > > > > nbi@wideopenwest.com wrote: > >> Yes, that Dell price difference was reported in a recent issue of > >> Linux Journal. > >> > >> It may not be necessary to completely wipe Windows off the system. In > >> fact you may regret having done so later on when you need to run > >> legacy apps only available for 'Doze. > >> > >> For starters I would make it a dual boot system by shrinking the ntfs > >> partitions (for preinstalled Windows there's often 2, one of which is > >> for disaster recovery) and partitioning the resulting free space for > >> Linux. It's usually safe to put GRUB in the mbr so after having done > >> that you'll have a convenient dual boot system. As a finishing touch > >> I would add fuse support and ntfs-3g for NTFS R/W access from linux. > >> > >> My recommendation for distro would be Debian as I consider linux in a > >> multi-boot scenario as "mission critical" and would want the most > >> solid and dependable distro available. Others would probably fit the > >> bill too, but Debian always ranks at the top of distro polls for good > >> reason. From Lance at roytalman.com Tue Mar 11 17:50:32 2008 From: Lance at roytalman.com (Hassan, Lance) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:04:57 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Level3 Replacement Message-ID: That would depend on how near the backbone you want to be and what you need for bandwidth. We use Cogent and it has been sweet but other than handling DNS there are no services and this is fiber so you need to be in or very near a building with a drop. Yipes is for all practical purposes backbone. I have also been getting bugged by a company called Towerstream for WIFImax but have no experience. In the past we have had DSL through XO but like everyone else in town DSL service at least for commercial is risky because no one wants to service, they would rather have you pay for T-1 or a Frac T-1 which for us the price for the fiber actually worked out better. Thank You Lance Hassan Roy Talman and Associates -----Original Message----- From: Steve Pribyl [mailto:linux@unliketea.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:51 PM To: " Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion " Subject: [LUNI] Level3 Replacement Hey Folks, At work we currently use Level3 as our CoLoc ISP. I am having loads of trouble with them from a sales and support stand point. I am looking for near backbone access in downtown Chicago. Does anyone have a recommendation, experiences good or bad? Thanks Steve -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From seva at sevatech.com Tue Mar 11 18:44:35 2008 From: seva at sevatech.com (Seva Epsteyn) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:44:37 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Level3 Replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am a little confused if you are talking about access from your office or co-location. For co-location it probably doesn't matters if it's in downtown, so there are a lot of options, including vendor-neutral ones like Equinix. I mostly agree with Lance about Cogent and Yipes. You can also call up AT&T and Verizon Business as they also offer Ethernet service. -Seva On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Hassan, Lance wrote: > That would depend on how near the backbone you want to be and what you need > for bandwidth. We use Cogent and it has been sweet but other than handling > DNS there are no services and this is fiber so you need to be in or very > near a building with a drop. Yipes is for all practical purposes backbone. I > have also been getting bugged by a company called Towerstream for WIFImax > but have no experience. In the past we have had DSL through XO but like > everyone else in town DSL service at least for commercial is risky because > no one wants to service, they would rather have you pay for T-1 or a Frac > T-1 which for us the price for the fiber actually worked out better. > > > Thank You > Lance Hassan > Roy Talman and Associates > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Pribyl [mailto:linux@unliketea.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:51 PM > To: " Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion " > Subject: [LUNI] Level3 Replacement > > Hey Folks, > > At work we currently use Level3 as our CoLoc ISP. I am having loads of > trouble with them from a sales and support stand point. > > I am looking for near backbone access in downtown Chicago. > > Does anyone have a recommendation, experiences good or bad? > > Thanks > Steve > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From scott at cashnetusa.com Tue Mar 11 18:57:15 2008 From: scott at cashnetusa.com (William Scott Lockwood III) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:57:22 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Level3 Replacement In-Reply-To: <53583.69.17.21.59.1205268682.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <53583.69.17.21.59.1205268682.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <1205276235.13223.73.camel@scotts-d630> We use Neutral Tandem, Navisite, and Equinix. Navisite is in Oak Brook however. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Pribyl Reply-To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion Subject: [LUNI] Level3 Replacement Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:51:22 -0500 (CDT) Hey Folks, At work we currently use Level3 as our CoLoc ISP. I am having loads of trouble with them from a sales and support stand point. I am looking for near backbone access in downtown Chicago. Does anyone have a recommendation, experiences good or bad? Thanks Steve From craig at codestorm.org Tue Mar 11 21:34:23 2008 From: craig at codestorm.org (Craig Van Tassle) Date: Tue Mar 11 20:34:46 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Level3 Replacement In-Reply-To: <53583.69.17.21.59.1205268682.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <53583.69.17.21.59.1205268682.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <20080311203423.3be36554@dragon.codestorm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:51:22 -0500 (CDT) "Steve Pribyl" wrote: > Hey Folks, > > At work we currently use Level3 as our CoLoc ISP. I am having loads > of trouble with them from a sales and support stand point. > > I am looking for near backbone access in downtown Chicago. > > Does anyone have a recommendation, experiences good or bad? > > Thanks > Steve I can understand the issues with Level3. My company onshore does have a colo NOC. I'm not sure exacly how much they charge for a rack or connectivity. Send out sales team an email at sales@onshore.com. - -- "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein "Fear is the father of servitude, and the captor of man. There cannot be slavery without fear, nor freedom with it." "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH1zMlv8bO71D0xskRAsdkAJwINPiSBpSsd2kTyP5xPy9lFDhXAgCeNi9W 3nGRz/XXOG4cuXelLYmaJGY= =unNr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aclose at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 11:04:23 2008 From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close) Date: Wed Mar 12 10:04:28 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... Message-ID: hi all, i've partially moved my family domain (email) from one provider to Google's free services (http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/org/index.html). on my original provider i created multiple accounts for my family members under our domain and mail was handled through SendMail (i believe). i still have access to our mail directories and would like to migrate that mail to our new GMail accounts if possible. if not, i'd like to make that mail available to my family through Thunderbird or some other third party reader on their local filesystem. i have a master account which allows me to log in to our previous server and FTP those directories where ever, however i'm not root and am unable to open/chown those directories as they belong to each family member and not me. will i have permissions problems when moving those directories from a Linux server to a Windows or Mac OS desktop? and if/when i am able to transfer the directories, does anyone have any suggestions on loading their contents to our GMail accounts or at least making them available to some third party reader? thanks :) by the way, the Google services link above allows you to host your domain email, calendar, apps, etc through Google just like signing up for a Google account but everything comes and goes transparently through your domain. so far the family is extremely happy with the service and offerings. -- Andrew Close From cgmckeever at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 10:18:25 2008 From: cgmckeever at gmail.com (Chris McKeever) Date: Wed Mar 12 10:18:37 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you have all the messages already in Thunderbird? If so - you can just IMAP them over to google using tbird as a conduit If you are still running POP/IMAP on your old provider, you can just POP/IMAP them into Google through their web interface Bascially - if you can get them into Thunderbird, you can migrate them into google On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Andrew Close wrote: > hi all, > > i've partially moved my family domain (email) from one provider to > Google's free services > (http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/org/index.html). on my original > provider i created multiple accounts for my family members under our > domain and mail was handled through SendMail (i believe). i still > have access to our mail directories and would like to migrate that > mail to our new GMail accounts if possible. if not, i'd like to make > that mail available to my family through Thunderbird or some other > third party reader on their local filesystem. i have a master account > which allows me to log in to our previous server and FTP those > directories where ever, however i'm not root and am unable to > open/chown those directories as they belong to each family member and > not me. will i have permissions problems when moving those > directories from a Linux server to a Windows or Mac OS desktop? and > if/when i am able to transfer the directories, does anyone have any > suggestions on loading their contents to our GMail accounts or at > least making them available to some third party reader? > thanks :) > > by the way, the Google services link above allows you to host your > domain email, calendar, apps, etc through Google just like signing up > for a Google account but everything comes and goes transparently > through your domain. so far the family is extremely happy with the > service and offerings. > > -- > Andrew Close > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From aclose at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 12:30:09 2008 From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:30:16 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Chris McKeever wrote: > Do you have all the messages already in Thunderbird? > If so - you can just IMAP them over to google using tbird as a conduit > > If you are still running POP/IMAP on your old provider, you can just > POP/IMAP them into Google through their web interface > > Bascially - if you can get them into Thunderbird, you can migrate them > into google unfortunately i wasn't forward thinking enough regarding my migration. :) i (and my family) do not have local copies of our mail and were not using Thunderbird previously. most of the family was using the web based SquirrelMail client. my previous provider does have an IMAP server still, but i'm not sure i can do anything with it. my providers DNS entries are now pointing to Google since they are effectively hosting everything for our domain now. i just 'assumed' ;) that i could still take the mail files/dir and import them into some third party reader... -- Andrew Close From cgmckeever at crt.realtors.org Wed Mar 12 11:38:20 2008 From: cgmckeever at crt.realtors.org (Chris McKeever) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:38:27 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If your service still has IMAP for you - you can connect to that server. You may have to make a local hosts entry to point thunderbird from your machine over to the original host. Once you have thunderbird tapped into the old system, and the google system, its just a drag and drop there are probably some tools that can rip the maildir into thunderbird local files (not sure what they are called) and then you can do the same thing drag and drop them into the google IMAP On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Andrew Close wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Chris McKeever wrote: > > Do you have all the messages already in Thunderbird? > > If so - you can just IMAP them over to google using tbird as a conduit > > > > If you are still running POP/IMAP on your old provider, you can just > > POP/IMAP them into Google through their web interface > > > > Bascially - if you can get them into Thunderbird, you can migrate them > > into google > > unfortunately i wasn't forward thinking enough regarding my migration. > :) i (and my family) do not have local copies of our mail and were > not using Thunderbird previously. most of the family was using the > web based SquirrelMail client. my previous provider does have an IMAP > server still, but i'm not sure i can do anything with it. my > providers DNS entries are now pointing to Google since they are > effectively hosting everything for our domain now. > i just 'assumed' ;) that i could still take the mail files/dir and > import them into some third party reader... > > > -- > > > Andrew Close > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From cgmckeever at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 11:38:47 2008 From: cgmckeever at gmail.com (Chris McKeever) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:38:53 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If your service still has IMAP for you - you can connect to that server. You may have to make a local hosts entry to point thunderbird from your machine over to the original host. Once you have thunderbird tapped into the old system, and the google system, its just a drag and drop there are probably some tools that can rip the maildir into thunderbird local files (not sure what they are called) and then you can do the same thing drag and drop them into the google IMAP On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Andrew Close wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Chris McKeever wrote: > > Do you have all the messages already in Thunderbird? > > If so - you can just IMAP them over to google using tbird as a conduit > > > > If you are still running POP/IMAP on your old provider, you can just > > POP/IMAP them into Google through their web interface > > > > Bascially - if you can get them into Thunderbird, you can migrate them > > into google > > unfortunately i wasn't forward thinking enough regarding my migration. > :) i (and my family) do not have local copies of our mail and were > not using Thunderbird previously. most of the family was using the > web based SquirrelMail client. my previous provider does have an IMAP > server still, but i'm not sure i can do anything with it. my > providers DNS entries are now pointing to Google since they are > effectively hosting everything for our domain now. > i just 'assumed' ;) that i could still take the mail files/dir and > import them into some third party reader... > > > -- > > > Andrew Close > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From cgmckeever at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 11:39:05 2008 From: cgmckeever at gmail.com (Chris McKeever) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:39:08 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If your service still has IMAP for you - you can connect to that server. You may have to make a local hosts entry to point thunderbird from your machine over to the original host. Once you have thunderbird tapped into the old system, and the google system, its just a drag and drop there are probably some tools that can rip the maildir into thunderbird local files (not sure what they are called) and then you can do the same thing drag and drop them into the google IMAP On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Andrew Close wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Chris McKeever wrote: > > Do you have all the messages already in Thunderbird? > > If so - you can just IMAP them over to google using tbird as a conduit > > > > If you are still running POP/IMAP on your old provider, you can just > > POP/IMAP them into Google through their web interface > > > > Bascially - if you can get them into Thunderbird, you can migrate them > > into google > > unfortunately i wasn't forward thinking enough regarding my migration. > :) i (and my family) do not have local copies of our mail and were > not using Thunderbird previously. most of the family was using the > web based SquirrelMail client. my previous provider does have an IMAP > server still, but i'm not sure i can do anything with it. my > providers DNS entries are now pointing to Google since they are > effectively hosting everything for our domain now. > i just 'assumed' ;) that i could still take the mail files/dir and > import them into some third party reader... > > > -- > > > Andrew Close > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Wed Mar 12 18:55:24 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:55:28 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9db93b0e0803121555n743c3aa7le58421c4ba81acbc@mail.gmail.com> The thunderbird IMAP drag and drop would work best, if not you can use fetchmail to redirect email from one email address to another. ie. fetch all mail from pop3.host.com for userX and redirect as a new email to userY@newhost.com. I've used that for gmail before and migrating accounts. -- Samir On 3/12/08, Chris McKeever wrote: > If your service still has IMAP for you - you can connect to that > server. You may have to make a local hosts > entry to point thunderbird from your machine over to the original host. > > Once you have thunderbird tapped into the old system, and the google > system, its just a drag and drop > > there are probably some tools that can rip the maildir into > thunderbird local files (not sure what they are called) > and then you can do the same thing drag and drop them into the google IMAP > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Andrew Close wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Chris McKeever wrote: > > > Do you have all the messages already in Thunderbird? > > > If so - you can just IMAP them over to google using tbird as a conduit > > > > > > If you are still running POP/IMAP on your old provider, you can just > > > POP/IMAP them into Google through their web interface > > > > > > Bascially - if you can get them into Thunderbird, you can migrate them > > > into google > > > > unfortunately i wasn't forward thinking enough regarding my migration. > > :) i (and my family) do not have local copies of our mail and were > > not using Thunderbird previously. most of the family was using the > > web based SquirrelMail client. my previous provider does have an IMAP > > server still, but i'm not sure i can do anything with it. my > > providers DNS entries are now pointing to Google since they are > > effectively hosting everything for our domain now. > > i just 'assumed' ;) that i could still take the mail files/dir and > > import them into some third party reader... > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Andrew Close > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From aclose at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 09:29:34 2008 From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close) Date: Thu Mar 13 08:29:39 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0803121555n743c3aa7le58421c4ba81acbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <9db93b0e0803121555n743c3aa7le58421c4ba81acbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > The thunderbird IMAP drag and drop would work best, if not you can use > fetchmail to redirect email from one email address to another. > > ie. fetch all mail from pop3.host.com for userX and redirect as a new > email to userY@newhost.com. > > I've used that for gmail before and migrating accounts. i think the trick is going to be that the domain/email hasn't changed, just the server. so previously i had user@mydomain.com hosted with a friend. now i've registered 'mydomain.com' through Google. so the email address is still user@mydomain.com even though we're using Google services. so it's not like i'm dumping one IMAP account to another. in effect, it's the same account, just through another host/mail provider. i'm still working on gaining access to my previous mail directories so that i can try to get them into Thunderbird... -- Andrew Close From knura at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 21:47:25 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Thu Mar 13 10:17:37 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: <9db93b0e0803121555n743c3aa7le58421c4ba81acbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803132047.25832.knura@yahoo.com> On Thursday 13 Mar 2008, Andrew Close wrote: .... snip ... > i'm still working on gaining access to my previous mail directories > so that i can try to get them into Thunderbird... .... snip ... Can you not access (POP3/IMAP) the mail box accounts at the previous provider through an IP no. of the server? -- Arun Khan From aclose at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 11:29:24 2008 From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close) Date: Thu Mar 13 10:29:28 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: <200803132047.25832.knura@yahoo.com> References: <9db93b0e0803121555n743c3aa7le58421c4ba81acbc@mail.gmail.com> <200803132047.25832.knura@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Arun Khan wrote: > On Thursday 13 Mar 2008, Andrew Close wrote: > .... snip ... > > > i'm still working on gaining access to my previous mail directories > > so that i can try to get them into Thunderbird... > .... snip ... > > Can you not access (POP3/IMAP) the mail box accounts at the previous > provider through an IP no. of the server? hmm, i haven't tried that. :) maybe that would still work. i know the DNS and CNAME entries were changed, but the accounts are still valid so maybe i can access them via IP. thx for that suggestion :) -- Andrew Close From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Thu Mar 13 14:17:01 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Thu Mar 13 13:17:07 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: <9db93b0e0803121555n743c3aa7le58421c4ba81acbc@mail.gmail.com> <200803132047.25832.knura@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0803131117g6f78a6cx1eee51f14ad61e48@mail.gmail.com> btw... if your previous mailserver provided you something like imap.mydomain.com you should still be able to access that. gmail doesn't give imap.mydomain.com, it uses imap.gmail.com (or whatever it is) and you juse authenticate with user@mydomain.com if you send an email from your old domain it may not go anywhere since probably local entries would override dns, but you should be able to get both accounts setup in your favorite imap client and drag n drop. On 3/13/08, Andrew Close wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Arun Khan wrote: > > On Thursday 13 Mar 2008, Andrew Close wrote: > > .... snip ... > > > > > i'm still working on gaining access to my previous mail directories > > > so that i can try to get them into Thunderbird... > > .... snip ... > > > > Can you not access (POP3/IMAP) the mail box accounts at the previous > > provider through an IP no. of the server? > > > hmm, i haven't tried that. :) maybe that would still work. i know > the DNS and CNAME entries were changed, but the accounts are still > valid so maybe i can access them via IP. > thx for that suggestion :) > > > -- > > Andrew Close > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From maney at two14.net Fri Mar 14 15:16:37 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Fri Mar 14 14:16:44 2008 Subject: [LUNI] eMail Migration Help... In-Reply-To: References: <9db93b0e0803121555n743c3aa7le58421c4ba81acbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080314191637.GA17509@furrr.two14.net> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 08:29:34AM -0500, Andrew Close wrote: > another. in effect, it's the same account, just through another > host/mail provider. Well... no, it's really quite the opposite. They *are* different accounts - that's why you need to move stuff - but they have the same (external) name, so you *think* of them as being the same. This probably doesn't actually help at this point, but after a week like this one's been I'm grasping for an erroneous mental model that I might be able to straighten out. :-) ... Ah, and the word "accounts" helps muddy things, since it can apply to the logical account (mailstore associated with some email address) or a specific mailstore (where a certain mail system stores content for that email address). I think we both need to slip that word a little something extra for working so hard here! -- Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. -- JKG From me at heyjay.com Fri Mar 14 17:08:32 2008 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Fri Mar 14 16:08:35 2008 Subject: [LUNI] swimming upstream on SSH or VPN Message-ID: Hi, Is there any way to use an SSH tunnel from the destination? That is, if I'm on "A" and ssh to "B", is there a way once the tunnel has been established, that B could use the tunnel for its own purposes (such as doing a VNC of A)? Thanks Jay From seva at sevatech.com Fri Mar 14 17:13:58 2008 From: seva at sevatech.com (Seva Epsteyn) Date: Fri Mar 14 16:14:00 2008 Subject: [LUNI] swimming upstream on SSH or VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport Specifies that the given port on the remote (server) host is to be forwarded to the given host and port on the local side. This works by allocating a socket to listen to port on the remote side, and whenever a connection is made to this port, the connec- tion is forwarded over the secure channel, and a connection is made to host port hostport from the local machine. Port forwardings can also be specified in the configuration file. Privileged ports can be forwarded only when logging in as root on the remote machine. IPv6 addresses can be specified by enclosing the address in square braces or using an alternative syntax: [bind_address/]host/port/hostport. By default, the listening socket on the server will be bound to the loopback interface only. This may be overriden by specifying a bind_address. An empty bind_address, or the address '*', indi- cates that the remote socket should listen on all interfaces. Specifying a remote bind_address will only succeed if the server's GatewayPorts option is enabled (see sshd_config(5)). You may also need: -g Allows remote hosts to connect to local forwarded ports. -Seva On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any way to use an SSH tunnel from the destination? That is, > if I'm on "A" and ssh to "B", is there a way once the tunnel has been > established, that B could use the tunnel for its own purposes (such as > doing a VNC of A)? > > Thanks > Jay > From me at heyjay.com Sat Mar 15 11:10:49 2008 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sat Mar 15 10:10:57 2008 Subject: [LUNI] swimming upstream on SSH or VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, I'm not sure exactly how to configure this but I'll play with it, it seems like it's what I need. Thanks Jay On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Seva Epsteyn wrote: > -R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport > Specifies that the given port on the remote (server) host is to > be forwarded to the given host and port on the local side. This > works by allocating a socket to listen to port on the remote > side, and whenever a connection is made to this port, the connec- > tion is forwarded over the secure channel, and a connection is > made to host port hostport from the local machine. > > Port forwardings can also be specified in the configuration file. > Privileged ports can be forwarded only when logging in as root on > the remote machine. IPv6 addresses can be specified by enclosing > the address in square braces or using an alternative syntax: > [bind_address/]host/port/hostport. > > By default, the listening socket on the server will be bound to > the loopback interface only. This may be overriden by specifying > a bind_address. An empty bind_address, or the address '*', indi- > cates that the remote socket should listen on all interfaces. > Specifying a remote bind_address will only succeed if the > server's GatewayPorts option is enabled (see sshd_config(5)). > > You may also need: > > -g Allows remote hosts to connect to local forwarded ports. > > -Seva > > > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Jay Strauss wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Is there any way to use an SSH tunnel from the destination? That is, > > if I'm on "A" and ssh to "B", is there a way once the tunnel has been > > established, that B could use the tunnel for its own purposes (such as > > doing a VNC of A)? > > > > Thanks > > Jay > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From ken at stox.org Sat Mar 15 13:05:01 2008 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Sat Mar 15 12:05:04 2008 Subject: [LUNI] BSD Administration certification Message-ID: <1205600701.9590.225.camel@stox.dyndns.org> The BSD Certification Group (BSDCG) will offer the BSDA certification exam to attendees of Flourish 2008. The BSDA certification is designed to be an entry-level certification on BSD Unix systems administration. The successful BSDA candidate is able to complete common administrative and troubleshooting tasks and has a good understanding of general BSD Unix and networking principles. http://www.flourishconf.com/flourish2008/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=1 From me at heyjay.com Sat Mar 15 19:53:48 2008 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sat Mar 15 18:53:52 2008 Subject: [LUNI] swimming upstream on SSH or VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I realized what I'm trying to do might be more complicated (or impossible) then I realized. I have the following arrangement. (Home) (Work) mswin-| |--mswin --linksys ---internet----some_router linux-| My linksys router at home forwards port 22 to the Linux box on its network. What I wanted to do was run "putty" from work, build a tunnel, so that at home I could jump on my mswin machine and do a M$ remote desktop, operating on port 3389, back to my mswin machine at work (via the remote tunnel) I do not have a ssh server or userid on my work side of the environment to which I can connect, so the ssh has to be out-bound from work. Is there anyway to ssh from work to home, (I'll end up logging into my linux box at home), and then using the previously established tunnel, get on my home mswin box to do a remote desktop of my work machine? Thanks Jay From cgmckeever at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 19:00:34 2008 From: cgmckeever at gmail.com (Chris McKeever) Date: Sat Mar 15 19:00:37 2008 Subject: [LUNI] swimming upstream on SSH or VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this what you are looking for? http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10879-5779944.html?tag=nl.e011 On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > I realized what I'm trying to do might be more complicated (or > impossible) then I realized. I have the following arrangement. > > (Home) (Work) > > mswin-| |--mswin > --linksys ---internet----some_router > linux-| > > > My linksys router at home forwards port 22 to the Linux box on its network. > > What I wanted to do was run "putty" from work, build a tunnel, so that > at home I could jump on my mswin machine and do a M$ remote desktop, > operating on port 3389, back to my mswin machine at work (via the > remote tunnel) > > I do not have a ssh server or userid on my work side of the > environment to which I can connect, so the ssh has to be out-bound > from work. > > Is there anyway to ssh from work to home, (I'll end up logging into my > linux box at home), and then using the previously established tunnel, > get on my home mswin box to do a remote desktop of my work machine? > > > > Thanks > Jay > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From me at heyjay.com Sat Mar 15 23:08:44 2008 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sat Mar 15 22:08:47 2008 Subject: [LUNI] swimming upstream on SSH or VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks Chris, yes that's kinda what I want. Unfortunately, in playing with this Putty's remote forwarding doesn't seem to play well with rdesktop or M$ remote desktop. Things work ok if I use a real SSH client from the work side, but when I use putty from the work side rdesktop hangs on login (I do get a login screen from the work M$ machine). Thanks Jay On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Chris McKeever wrote: > Is this what you are looking for? > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10879-5779944.html?tag=nl.e011 > > > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Jay Strauss wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I realized what I'm trying to do might be more complicated (or > > impossible) then I realized. I have the following arrangement. > > > > (Home) (Work) > > > > mswin-| |--mswin > > --linksys ---internet----some_router > > linux-| > > > > > > My linksys router at home forwards port 22 to the Linux box on its network. > > > > What I wanted to do was run "putty" from work, build a tunnel, so that > > at home I could jump on my mswin machine and do a M$ remote desktop, > > operating on port 3389, back to my mswin machine at work (via the > > remote tunnel) > > > > I do not have a ssh server or userid on my work side of the > > environment to which I can connect, so the ssh has to be out-bound > > from work. > > > > Is there anyway to ssh from work to home, (I'll end up logging into my > > linux box at home), and then using the previously established tunnel, > > get on my home mswin box to do a remote desktop of my work machine? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Jay > > -- > > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From cgmckeever at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 22:13:51 2008 From: cgmckeever at gmail.com (Chris McKeever) Date: Sat Mar 15 22:13:53 2008 Subject: [LUNI] swimming upstream on SSH or VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ive had luck with Putty and all sorts of remote desktop forwarding make up a FAKE port that you want the local machine to listen to for the rdesktop forward, I usually use 55555 On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Jay Strauss wrote: > thanks Chris, yes that's kinda what I want. > > Unfortunately, in playing with this Putty's remote forwarding doesn't > seem to play well with rdesktop or M$ remote desktop. Things work ok > if I use a real SSH client from the work side, but when I use putty > from the work side rdesktop hangs on login (I do get a login screen > from the work M$ machine). > > Thanks > Jay > > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Chris McKeever wrote: > > Is this what you are looking for? > > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10879-5779944.html?tag=nl.e011 > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Jay Strauss wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I realized what I'm trying to do might be more complicated (or > > > impossible) then I realized. I have the following arrangement. > > > > > > (Home) (Work) > > > > > > mswin-| |--mswin > > > --linksys ---internet----some_router > > > linux-| > > > > > > > > > My linksys router at home forwards port 22 to the Linux box on its network. > > > > > > What I wanted to do was run "putty" from work, build a tunnel, so that > > > at home I could jump on my mswin machine and do a M$ remote desktop, > > > operating on port 3389, back to my mswin machine at work (via the > > > remote tunnel) > > > > > > I do not have a ssh server or userid on my work side of the > > > environment to which I can connect, so the ssh has to be out-bound > > > from work. > > > > > > Is there anyway to ssh from work to home, (I'll end up logging into my > > > linux box at home), and then using the previously established tunnel, > > > get on my home mswin box to do a remote desktop of my work machine? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > Jay > > > -- > > > > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > > > -- > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > > -- > > > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > From me at heyjay.com Sun Mar 16 00:09:23 2008 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sat Mar 15 23:09:27 2008 Subject: [LUNI] swimming upstream on SSH or VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unless you see something I don't: (from work) plink -P 22222 -R 55555:localhost:3389 mydomain.com -l jstrauss (from home on my linux box) rdesktop localhost:55555 -u jstrauss I've tried plink and putty, setting up the remote tunnel. But rdesktop just hangs at login. Meanwhile if (from work) I do: plink -P 22222 -R 6900:localhost:5900 mydomain.com -l jstrauss I can connect via VNC from home. I gotta believe putty remote forwarding has a bug. Jay From sfaci at cs.uic.edu Sun Mar 16 15:46:21 2008 From: sfaci at cs.uic.edu (Samir Faci) Date: Sun Mar 16 14:46:24 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Flourish 2008 Message-ID: <9db93b0e0803161246v5d9f30e7ga7b116d30d42d781@mail.gmail.com> To everyone interested, The University of Illinois at Chicago Linux Users Group (UIC-LUG) and the University of Illinois at Chicago Association for Computing Machinery (UIC-ACM) are hosting their second annual Flourish Conference promoting the adoption and use of Free, Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS). The UIC-LUG and UIC-ACM would like to invite you to attend this glorious event. The entire conference is free with registration (or $5 at the door), but please do register if you plant to attend to lets us know how many people we should expect. http://www.flourishconf.com/register.php. Some of our featured speakers will include: Bruce Perens from Source Labs, Jon "maddog" Hall from Linux International, Brian Fitzpatrick (and Ben Collins-Sussman) from Google, Dru Lavigne from Open Source Business Resource and BSD Certification Group Inc., among many others. We will be hosting a variety of events which include but are not limited to: BarCamp Mini, Flourish Mini-expo, WAFD (Web Application Framework Development) Rumble, Networking Events, and Hack-a-Thon, BSDA Examination. For more information please visit: http://www.flourishconf.com/flourish2008/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30 Flourish 2008 will be held on Friday, April 4th and Saturday, April 5th of next year. We expect the conference attendance to be between 300 and 400 people. Please reply and let me know whether or not you will be attending Flourish 2008. If you have any questions about Flourish, please e-mail me at samir@esamir.com and I will get back to you as soon as possible. You can also visit the Flourish website at http://www.flourishconf.com/ Organizations/Developers: We still have open tables in the expo space, if you'd like to use one of the tables to advertise your said organization or promote an event. We are also still looking for developers to represent the various Web frameworks. If anyone is interested in participating, please feel free to contact me. Also, please redirect and forward this email to any list that you think may have an interest in this conference. Thank you, Samir Faci Flourish Public Relations From luni at pyewacket.org Sun Mar 16 20:41:39 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Sun Mar 16 21:41:47 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again Message-ID: <20080316194139.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.702800ea0f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Well, after fighting for the past couple of weeks to try and get the nVidia drivers working in Fedora 8, I decided to try Ubuntu again. I installed 7.10 and it told me right off that there were closed source drivers available and offered to download and install them. I opted to and they installed without a hiccup. I now have all the effects available (in fact even more eye-candy than Fedora). There were a couple of odd things. I couldn't map the nfs shares on my server, though I could see them as SAMBA shares. The nfs stuff didn't install and I couldn't find it in the package manager. I finally went "commando" and ran apt-get install nfs-common. They came right in and the mounts worked like a charm. I had to use apt-get for my favorite cover tool for CDs (kover). There's probably something equivalent in Gnome, but I have a lot of files in the kover format. Aside from it not putting my monitor into power save, everything seems to be working. I saw the power save quirk before with Kubuntu, so I went in and reset the time. Hopefully it will work. - Mike Scott From sil at sevatech.com Sun Mar 16 23:39:44 2008 From: sil at sevatech.com (Gene Jannece) Date: Sun Mar 16 22:39:46 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again In-Reply-To: <20080316194139.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.702800ea0f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080316194139.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.702800ea0f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20080317033944.GA18473@null.sevatech.com> What was the issue you were having with the nvidia drivers in fedora 8? Were the drivers the closed drivers? On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 07:41:39PM -0700, Mike Scott wrote: > Well, after fighting for the past couple of weeks to try and get the > nVidia drivers working in Fedora 8, I decided to try Ubuntu again. I > installed 7.10 and it told me right off that there were closed source > drivers available and offered to download and install them. I opted to > and they installed without a hiccup. I now have all the effects > available (in fact even more eye-candy than Fedora). > > There were a couple of odd things. I couldn't map the nfs shares on my > server, though I could see them as SAMBA shares. The nfs stuff didn't > install and I couldn't find it in the package manager. I finally went > "commando" and ran apt-get install nfs-common. They came right in and > the mounts worked like a charm. > > I had to use apt-get for my favorite cover tool for CDs (kover). > There's probably something equivalent in Gnome, but I have a lot of > files in the kover format. > > Aside from it not putting my monitor into power save, everything seems > to be working. I saw the power save quirk before with Kubuntu, so I > went in and reset the time. Hopefully it will work. > > - Mike Scott > > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From luni at pyewacket.org Mon Mar 17 04:59:28 2008 From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Mon Mar 17 05:59:36 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again Message-ID: <20080317035928.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.4c70615659.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I couldn't get the closed drivers to work at all. I could never get it to load properly. Whe I tried the nVidia drivers from the distro, it would tell me X couldn't start and bounce me back to the open drivers. There were some suggestions for manual install (from this list) which I then took to the nv forums. Each time I got a little farther, but still no success. The final message coming out of yum was: Here's the thread, if you are interested. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=108587 - Mike Scott > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again > From: Gene Jannece > Date: Sun, March 16, 2008 10:39 pm > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > What was the issue you were having with the nvidia drivers in fedora 8? > Were the drivers the closed drivers? From carl at personnelware.com Tue Mar 11 11:30:32 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:55:17 2008 Subject: [LUNI] FW: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? In-Reply-To: <47D69F26.7010008@msbrepairs.com> References: <7ECB929E49A43D44B285366AB981EED4CAAF69@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com> <47D69F26.7010008@msbrepairs.com> Message-ID: <47D6A598.6080306@personnelware.com> I can install no problem. all I need is the 'basic' hardware support: ide/sata, keyboard, usb. (I don't even need X, so video is hardly on my list) mainly trying to A) support companies that support Linux, and B) aovid buying 4 copies of Vista. Carl K Mark Stuart Burge wrote: > I don't know of a local store where they sell dell computers pre-loaded with > linux, however, if you take a live cd along to some stores (fry's don't mind) > they will allow you to boot into a live cd to test compatibility. > > Perhaps dell by now offer a download of their images ?? (long shot !) > > > >>> >>> >> >> > > > RCRamsdell@gldd.com wrote: >> Forwarded from the ChiPy list. Can anyone provide Carl with pointers? >> >> Reply to all so that Carl sees your answer. >> >> Robert >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org >>> [mailto:chicago-bounces+rcramsdell=gldd.com@python.org] On >>> Behalf Of Carl Karsten >>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:29 PM >>> To: Chicago@python.org >>> Subject: [Chicago] can I buy a ubuntu dell from a local store? >>> >>> I need to get 4 laptops to run Ubuntu. Dell sells laptops >>> with Ubuntu loaded, and I would like to get one of those. >>> tomorrow. I don't have time to wait for them to assemble and >>> ship it. (yeah, like many things, should have done this a >>> week ago...) >>> >>> So, anyone know a store around here that can sell me one? >>> >>> >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> >> From sil at sevatech.com Mon Mar 17 16:58:45 2008 From: sil at sevatech.com (Gene Jannece) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:58:48 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again In-Reply-To: <20080317035928.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.4c70615659.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080317035928.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.4c70615659.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20080317205845.GA25817@null.sevatech.com> The guy in the thread was right, you had conflicting repos. If you would have removed a few of them then it work have worked fine. Every time a new kernel comes out you need to get the nvidia driver to work with the new kernel. This is automatically, but you had more then one repository providing the driver so they would cancel each other out. Glad Ubuntu worked for you. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 03:59:28AM -0700, Mike Scott wrote: > I couldn't get the closed drivers to work at all. I could never get it > to load properly. > Whe I tried the nVidia drivers from the distro, it would tell me X > couldn't start and bounce me back to the open drivers. > There were some suggestions for manual install (from this list) which I > then took to the nv forums. > Each time I got a little farther, but still no success. > > The final message coming out of yum was: > > Here's the thread, if you are interested. > > http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=108587 > > - Mike Scott > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again > > From: Gene Jannece > > Date: Sun, March 16, 2008 10:39 pm > > To: Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > > > > > > > > What was the issue you were having with the nvidia drivers in fedora 8? > > Were the drivers the closed drivers? > > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From tcameron at redhat.com Mon Mar 17 17:20:31 2008 From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:21:40 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again In-Reply-To: <20080317035928.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.4c70615659.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20080317035928.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.4c70615659.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <47DEE09F.3050201@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Scott wrote: | I couldn't get the closed drivers to work at all. I could never get it | to load properly. | Whe I tried the nVidia drivers from the distro, Sorry, I need to make clear - you were most definitely *not* using closed source drivers "from the distro." We do not provide closed source drivers in Fedora. Ubuntu does enable the installation of non-Free software out of the box, which is something that Fedora is opposed to on the grounds that we believe in Free software. Not Free except when it is convenient for us to turn our backs on our ethos. | it would tell me X | couldn't start and bounce me back to the open drivers. | There were some suggestions for manual install (from this list) which I | then took to the nv forums. | Each time I got a little farther, but still no success. I think it was a problem with your enabling different, conflicting repositories. In your post you point to the instructions at http://www.fedorafaq.org/#nvidia but it seems you didn't really follow them. :-( I'd invite you to try Fedora again. It's got a massive community behind it, both forums and mailing lists. Red Hat is the #1 commercial contributor to Open Source projects like the Linux kernel, gcc and the tool chain, glibc and so on. Using Fedora and contributing bug reports or even success stories means giving back to the community. Cheers, - -- Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3uCfmzle50YHwaARAubMAJ9yfNfO/BLpnKW/yZfigFnmWW9ATQCdENw4 l9mgeSC7Fl2V52ibmnpevi8= =qsZ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mscott at pyewacket.org Tue Mar 18 08:51:00 2008 From: mscott at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:51:16 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again Message-ID: <20080318075100.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.8f6076fd4e.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> > Sorry, I need to make clear - you were most definitely *not* using > closed source drivers "from the distro." We do not provide closed > source drivers in Fedora. Ubuntu does enable the installation of > non-Free software out of the box, which is something that Fedora is > opposed to on the grounds that we believe in Free software. Not Free > except when it is convenient for us to turn our backs on our ethos. My bad, one of the drivers was listed in the GUI, though it may have been from another repository. I would like to address the ethos item. Before I go any further, I want to make it clear that it is not my intention of starting a flame war. Talking open/closed source is like trying to debate religion. I would like to offer my perspective as a user. I personally don't care if a particular vendor does not wish to open the code for their drivers. In a perfect world, that would be the case. Whatever reason nVidia chooses not to, is their business. Maybe they feel this would reveal too much information about the internal workings of their hardware. I can't say since I don't know their corporate mentality. I have to say that I have always been partial to Red Hat. I think everybody has a special place in their heart for the first distro that they got to work. I think I have RH CDs going back to version 4 or 5. I still have a server running RH7 and used it up until the split of the enterprise/Fedora distros. I then went with SuSe and was happy with them until they were purchased by Novell who (showing that those who don't pay attention to history are doomed to repeat their failures) sold their soul to the devil (Microsoft). I then tried Kubuntu and was happy with it. I recently decided to revisit Red Hat and since I am not a corporation with a corporate budget, decided to sample Fedora. I just want to be able to utilize my hardware to it's fullest. Ubuntu gave me this option on installation and they told me this was closed source and asked if I wanted to install it anyway. Your distro made this extremely difficult. From a user perspective, theirs worked with minimal effort. I can understand your devotion to FOSS and it is commendable, in the end it just makes installation more difficult. > I think it was a problem with your enabling different, conflicting > repositories. In your post you point to the instructions at > http://www.fedorafaq.org/#nvidia but it seems you didn't really follow > them. :-( I did start by following step-by-step from the FAQ and it didn't work, though I may have tried a couple of different angles as my frustration grew. > I'd invite you to try Fedora again. I have another drive that I can use to try this weekend. I will try a Fedora 8 clean install and not try the "kitchen sink" approach. I will let you know how I make out. -Mike From tcameron at redhat.com Tue Mar 18 13:24:00 2008 From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat)) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:25:05 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Switching distros yet again In-Reply-To: <20080318075100.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.8f6076fd4e.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> References: <20080318075100.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.8f6076fd4e.wbe@mobilemail.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <47DFFAB0.5080806@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Scott wrote: |> Sorry, I need to make clear - you were most definitely *not* using |> closed source drivers "from the distro." We do not provide closed |> source drivers in Fedora. Ubuntu does enable the installation of |> non-Free software out of the box, which is something that Fedora is |> opposed to on the grounds that we believe in Free software. Not Free |> except when it is convenient for us to turn our backs on our ethos. | | My bad, one of the drivers was listed in the GUI, though it may have | been from another repository. I would like to address the ethos item. | Before I go any further, I want to make it clear that it is not my | intention of starting a flame war. Talking open/closed source is like | trying to debate religion. Heh - no doubt. :-) | I would like to offer my perspective as a user. I personally don't care | if a particular vendor does not wish to open the code for their drivers. No problem, I understand that. I would posit that this is a slippery slope, though. The strength of Linux is the community around it, and the power of that community is Free/Open Source Software. As a company, Red Hat is devoted to F/OSS. Pretty much everything we do, we do in the community. Everything that makes it into Red Hat Enterprise Linux is also available in Fedora. If you want to use closed source software I have *zero* problem with that. I am certainly a F/OSS person, but I am pragmatic enough to realize that there is a lot of closed source stuff out there that I need to use. I use the binary NVidia drivers for the dual-head desktop I am writing this on. The reason I jumped in is that I feel it is very important to make the distinction between Fedora, which is 100% Free and Ubuntu which encourages the use of proprietary code. | In a perfect world, that would be the case. Whatever reason nVidia | chooses not to, is their business. Maybe they feel this would reveal | too much information about the internal workings of their hardware. I | can't say since I don't know their corporate mentality. Sure. As I said, I am pragmatic enough to use NVidia's drivers on my PC. | I have to say that I have always been partial to Red Hat. I think | everybody has a special place in their heart for the first distro that | they got to work. I think I have RH CDs going back to version 4 or 5. | I still have a server running RH7 and used it up until the split of the | enterprise/Fedora distros. I then went with SuSe and was happy with | them until they were purchased by Novell who (showing that those who | don't pay attention to history are doomed to repeat their failures) | sold their soul to the devil (Microsoft). I then tried Kubuntu and was | happy with it. I recently decided to revisit Red Hat and since I am not | a corporation with a corporate budget, decided to sample Fedora. Very cool. I am glad to know it and I am glad to help however I can. Also, if you want to take a run at Red Hat Enterprise Linux, let me know and I'll set up an eval for you. | I just want to be able to utilize my hardware to it's fullest. Ubuntu | gave me this option on installation and they told me this was closed | source and asked if I wanted to install it anyway. Your distro made | this extremely difficult. Let me help out. Here's what I do: Go to NVidia's web site and download the latest drivers for Linux. I happen to use an NVidia GeForce 7x series, so I grab http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run. Once I've downloaded it, I go to runlevel 3 and as root I run these commands: chmod 755 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run -s -X That's it. When I install a new kernel I need to re-run the second one. I don't like using the third-party packages for NVidia from ATRPMs or Livna, but that's just me. | From a user perspective, theirs worked with | minimal effort. It's a trade-off for sure. Sticking to your principals is often not the easiest route. | I can understand your devotion to FOSS and it is commendable, in the end | it just makes installation more difficult. Heh - in the end it means the difference between standing up for that you believe in or abandoning your principals when it becomes inconvenient. Note that I'm *not* saying at all the your principals should be the same as mine. Just telling you what mine are. |> I think it was a problem with your enabling different, conflicting |> repositories. In your post you point to the instructions at |> http://www.fedorafaq.org/#nvidia but it seems you didn't really follow |> them. :-( | | I did start by following step-by-step from the FAQ and it didn't work, | though I may have tried a couple of different angles as my frustration | grew. I just looked at FedoraFAQ again and I see the problem. It's on the side of FedoraFAQ. They tell you to install multiple repo files. Bad on them. FWIW FedoraFAQ is not an official Red Hat or Fedora site. I don't know why on Earth they say to use multiple repos, that's just stupid. It didn't used to be that way as I recall. |> I'd invite you to try Fedora again. | | I have another drive that I can use to try this weekend. I will try a | Fedora 8 clean install and not try the "kitchen sink" approach. I will | let you know how I make out. Please do. I personally only use Livna as a third party repo for Fedora. Your mileage may vary. Feel free to holler if you need anything. - -- Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT Solutions Architect Team Lead, Central Region 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell / 512-857-1345 fax Red Hat rated #1 in value by CIOs for four years running: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2007/CIO_Insight_Study.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3/qwmzle50YHwaARAiskAJ97v3KGp+XQPFYtdmy/+/dxD/6n5gCgl5/i Gpefu1b1wccrluagqpnmLJU= =B7t+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 00:03:46 2008 From: sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug) Date: Wed Mar 19 23:03:58 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop Computer question In-Reply-To: <3aea38fb0803191434v6aa648f2w354de73260a2def8@mail.gmail.com> References: <3aea38fb0803191434v6aa648f2w354de73260a2def8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E1E222.1080107@comcast.net> Anybody know if this might be worth using with Linux? Andrea Schmidlin wrote: > We have an old laptop computer & we're wondering if it's worth > > 1. keeping & upgrading > 2. donating to someplace like Goodwill > 3. or if it's just for electronic recycling > > > It's a Hewlett Packard Omnibook 5700CT. It's got the basic software - > Windows & Microsoft office products (all ancient, of course). > > Anyone have any thoughts on the subject? -- Carey Tyler Schug From knura at yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 11:17:04 2008 From: knura at yahoo.com (Arun Khan) Date: Wed Mar 19 23:53:37 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Laptop Computer question In-Reply-To: <47E1E222.1080107@comcast.net> References: <3aea38fb0803191434v6aa648f2w354de73260a2def8@mail.gmail.com> <47E1E222.1080107@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200803201017.04373.knura@yahoo.com> On Thursday 20 Mar 2008, Carey Tyler Schug wrote: > Anybody know if this might be worth using with Linux? > > Andrea Schmidlin wrote: > > We have an old laptop computer & we're wondering if it's worth > > > > 1. keeping & upgrading > > 2. donating to someplace like Goodwill > > 3. or if it's just for electronic recycling Such a thingy can do DNS, DHCP, Web server for a small LAN and is easy on power consumption (I am doing it with a Gateway notebook P-200MHz 92MB RAM, 3GB hdd) -- Arun Khan From linux at unliketea.com Thu Mar 20 10:52:41 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Thu Mar 20 09:52:44 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Automations tools Message-ID: <50420.69.17.21.59.1206024761.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Any recommendations for scheduling and automation tools. Google is my friend, but am looking for folks that are actually using the tools. I am looking for open source tools similar to Autosys or GasJobs(if you know it). Cron just does not cut it. Thanks Steve From sobolak at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 16:01:14 2008 From: sobolak at gmail.com (sobolak@gmail.com) Date: Thu Mar 20 10:01:38 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Automations tools In-Reply-To: <50420.69.17.21.59.1206024761.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <50420.69.17.21.59.1206024761.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <1724113891-1206025282-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318913871-@bxe150.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Expect? Brian Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Steve Pribyl" Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:52:41 To:""Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion" " Subject: [LUNI] Automations tools Any recommendations for scheduling and automation tools. Google is my friend, but am looking for folks that are actually using the tools. I am looking for open source tools similar to Autosys or GasJobs(if you know it). Cron just does not cut it. Thanks Steve -- Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Thu Mar 20 13:03:35 2008 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean lynch) Date: Thu Mar 20 12:03:38 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Automations tools In-Reply-To: <50420.69.17.21.59.1206024761.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <50420.69.17.21.59.1206024761.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <47E298E7.2060207@sean-lynch.com> Steve Pribyl wrote: > Any recommendations for scheduling and automation tools. Google is my > friend, but am looking for folks that are actually using the tools. > > I am looking for open source tools similar to Autosys or GasJobs(if you > know it). > Cron just does not cut it. > > Thanks > Steve > > Steve, What kind of tasks are you trying to schedule and automate? From linux at unliketea.com Thu Mar 20 13:35:25 2008 From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl) Date: Thu Mar 20 12:35:27 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Automations tools In-Reply-To: <47E298E7.2060207@sean-lynch.com> References: <50420.69.17.21.59.1206024761.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> <47E298E7.2060207@sean-lynch.com> Message-ID: <53886.69.17.21.59.1206034525.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Mostly cli scripts. I am looking for support for job streams, depeandancies, file transfer would not hurt. Autosys or Tivoli like but OS. Steve > Steve Pribyl wrote: >> Any recommendations for scheduling and automation tools. Google is my >> friend, but am looking for folks that are actually using the tools. >> >> I am looking for open source tools similar to Autosys or GasJobs(if you >> know it). >> Cron just does not cut it. >> >> Thanks >> Steve >> >> > Steve, > > What kind of tasks are you trying to schedule and automate? > -- > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni > > From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com Thu Mar 20 13:58:12 2008 From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean lynch) Date: Thu Mar 20 12:58:14 2008 Subject: [LUNI] Automations tools In-Reply-To: <53886.69.17.21.59.1206034525.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> References: <50420.69.17.21.59.1206024761.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> <47E298E7.2060207@sean-lynch.com> <53886.69.17.21.59.1206034525.squirrel@mail.unliketea.com> Message-ID: <47E2A5B4.7070209@sean-lynch.com> Steve Pribyl wrote: > Mostly cli scripts. > > I am looking for support for job streams, depeandancies, file transfer > would not hurt. > > Autosys or Tivoli like but OS. > > Steve > >> Steve Pribyl wrote: >> >>> Any recommendations for scheduling and automation tools. Google is my >>> friend, but am looking for folks that are actually using the tools. >>> >>> I am looking for open source tools similar to Autosys or GasJobs(if you >>> know it). >>> Cron just does not