From mjmccune at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 19:10:52 2009
From: mjmccune at gmail.com (Michael McCune)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:10:52 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Windy City Linux Users Group is July 2 at 7pm.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1246467601.31949.luni@luni.org>
References: <mailman.1.1246467601.31949.luni@luni.org>
Message-ID: <4A4BFB0C.3090908@gmail.com>

It's at the usual spot: Caribou Coffee, 3025 N. Clark St.
http://www.wclug.org

From hef at pbrfrat.com  Mon Jul  6 11:24:15 2009
From: hef at pbrfrat.com (Hef)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:24:15 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Choosing access method to new subversion environment
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0906031357i48ab99afk8ce935066de0c9df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39eaccc10906031101u2943dc56i538da3ec491c9a96@mail.gmail.com>
	<55CCAF24-3E41-4F1A-A6BB-17374C47CF54@kgarner.com>
	<39eaccc10906031143g688600f2m26c20ad2137982e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<9DDBC664-6A95-4CC7-8BD7-415A8334FA8E@kgarner.com>
	<549053140906031316i1e2a25c9g4c5cb3bc92d4db97@mail.gmail.com>
	<9db93b0e0906031357i48ab99afk8ce935066de0c9df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df23ff1b0907060924n7d460de2id46fc56a5e15806d@mail.gmail.com>

my git workflow:

I like to break away from the 1 main repo concept that has multiple
users commiting to a single repo.

I usually create a local git repo for doing work, and a personal
"origin" repo for push/publishing too.

The origin repo is usually clonable on
http://example.com/~hef/project.git and gitweb viewable at
http://example.com/~hef/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi

git makes tracking remote repositories pretty simple, so if someone
has a cloned repo that you pull from often, you can add their repo as
a remotely tracked repository.  The nice thing about this setup is
that I can use my machine, or a group machine that I belong to, and
another user can use their machine or github or a similar site.  As
long as their repo is available on the net, it  makes no difference to
me where their clone is after I add their repo as a remotely tracked
repo.

I like that this workflow is forking friendly, and merging friendly.
There are no or few politics involved in who can commit code.  It also
has a tendency to force a at least a minimal code review, I always
look at the git diff before importing code.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Samir Faci<samir at esamir.com> wrote:
> Also, I'm not pushing particularly git specifically.. though it does make me
> drool occasionally.
>
> I was just saying if you're spending the time to set a source control
> system, go with a distributed one.
>
> also, mercurial supposedly works a bit better on windows (if it's a concern)
> though I think that's been corrected.
>
> That was mainly due to the fact that the main guy using git at the time were
> the kernel dev team.. and you complain about windows supports...and they're
> *shrug* okay... we accept patches..
>
> Also, since we're on the git discussion wagon at the moment... is there a
> defacto convention for setting up git in larger environments?? ie. workflow
> in general..
>
> svn is simple:?? {branches, trunk, tags}
>
> with git is there a convention of sorts?? I haven't read up on this much..
> aside from trying to make my svn existance sane with git.
>
> --
> Samir
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you had svn up and running and were good at it, you would not have
>> started this thread, and I would not be making this comment.
>>
>> else:
>>
>> don't invest time in learning svn.
>> do invest in one of the DVCSs - git would be my pick.
>>
>> Not that I am a git expert, but I have listened in on a buch of
>> debates and the git fans seem to make the best argument.
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> `fortune`
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>

From mswier at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  6 12:28:54 2009
From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LUNI]  ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 7/6/09
Message-ID: <255155.1362.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi,

NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on? Tuesday 7/6/09.

For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/meetings.html#nextmtg

mikie
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From mswier at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  7 06:45:28 2009
From: mswier at yahoo.com (Mike Swier)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LUNI] ANN: NWCLUG's next meeting 7/6/09 correction 7/7/09
Message-ID: <122059.50396.qm@web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Correction on the date 7/7.

Hi,

NWCLUG's next meeting will be at Harper College in A238 at 7pm on? Tuesday 7/6/09.

For (a bit) more info see http://nwclug.org/meetings.html#nextmtg

mikie
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From special.kevin at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 00:53:34 2009
From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:53:34 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Don't Forget BARcamp Chicago 2009 Is This Weekend
Message-ID: <97b3d1fd0907092253o1973fe15wb578ce646dea66bc@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I want to remind everyone that BARcamp Chicago 2009 is coming up this
weekend. Please tell your friends, family, neighbors and even enemies
to attend. This year we will be holding it at the UIC Innovation
Center (1240 W. Harrison). This is the same great venue we had last
year for BARcamp Chicago. The doors will open at 10am on Saturday and
an Welcome/Introduction to BARcamp will happen at 11am. The first
talks will start at 12:00pm on Saturday.

As with every year, there are a lot of great talks already listed to
be given. These talks cover such various topics as Digital Astronomy,
Creating and Keeping a Startup in Chicago, Getting Funding for a
Startup, Nitrogen an Erlang based web framework, Miro the Online Video
Family and Chemistry with Ferrofluids. Along with the talks there will
be an Android 101 series and an Android code sprint taking place
during BARcamp. Make sure to stick around Saturday night for the the
BARcamp Chicago Dance Party with DJ GAZEBO!. Once all the talks finish
up we will turn the main talk room into an all night dance party.

If you have any questions feel free to contact Kevin Harriss
(special.kevin at gmail.com). I look forward to seeing you all at BARcamp
Chicago 2009. You can stay updated with the ongoings of BARcamp
Chicago 2009 by following us on twitter at
http://www.twitter.com/barcamp_chi. You can also find out more
information by visiting our website at http://www.barcampchicago.com.

Kevin Harriss

From aclose at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 14:36:58 2009
From: aclose at gmail.com (Andrew Close)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:36:58 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] <OT>Palm V, Accessories, Manual & O'Reilly book...
Message-ID: <d8be87680907121236q79560ecbi6abe2ae4fd0e5444@mail.gmail.com>

i know pretty much nobody uses the Palm anymore  :)  but i hate to
just throw it out.
i have a Palm V (from Java One years ago) with two docks, the
manual(s) and PalmPilot, The Ultimate Guide by David Pogue, an
O'Reilly book if anyone is interested.
i'm currently located in Glendale Heights (west of the city) if anyone
is interested...

-- 
Andrew Close

From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 12 16:38:44 2009
From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:38:44 +0000
Subject: [LUNI] <OT>Palm V, Accessories, Manual & O'Reilly book...
Message-ID: <1549351905-1247434726-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582615345-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

What a hoot! I have a Tungsten E, plus a Palm IIIxe with modem, Ethernet adapter, fold out keyboard, a couple of docks, and miscellaneous other accessories. I also have a US Cellular Kyocera 7135 phone, which is one of the early Palm-based cell phones.

It wasn't all that far back ago that you weren't squat if you didn't have a Palm Pilot. How quickly the world changes!

------Original Message------
From: Andrew Close
Sender: luni-bounces at luni.org
To: LUNI
ReplyTo: LUNI
Subject: [LUNI] <OT>Palm V, Accessories, Manual & O'Reilly book...
Sent: Jul 12, 2009 2:36 PM

i know pretty much nobody uses the Palm anymore  :)  but i hate to
just throw it out.
i have a Palm V (from Java One years ago) with two docks, the
manual(s) and PalmPilot, The Ultimate Guide by David Pogue, an
O'Reilly book if anyone is interested.
i'm currently located in Glendale Heights (west of the city) if anyone
is interested...

-- 
Andrew Close
-- 
Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion 
http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni


Rob Smith
Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular

From Penguin at WaxMoustache.com  Mon Jul 13 00:44:28 2009
From: Penguin at WaxMoustache.com (James Velguth)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:44:28 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] <OT>Palm V, Accessories, Manual & O'Reilly book...
In-Reply-To: <d8be87680907121236q79560ecbi6abe2ae4fd0e5444@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d8be87680907121236q79560ecbi6abe2ae4fd0e5444@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A5AC9BC.9030107@WaxMoustache.com>

I am still using a Handspring Visor Neo.  Its showing signs of its age 
and I fear that its days are numbered.  I have to squeeze the screen in 
the 3oclock position to get it going sometimes.  Other than that its 
been working great since 2002.  I am interested.  email 
Jim at waxmoustache.com  I'm working late monday and to 8pm on tuesday. 
Jim

Andrew Close wrote:

>i know pretty much nobody uses the Palm anymore  :)  but i hate to
>just throw it out.
>i have a Palm V (from Java One years ago) with two docks, the
>manual(s) and PalmPilot, The Ultimate Guide by David Pogue, an
>O'Reilly book if anyone is interested.
>i'm currently located in Glendale Heights (west of the city) if anyone
>is interested...
>
>  
>

From sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net  Mon Jul 13 11:21:16 2009
From: sqrfolkdnc at comcast.net (Carey Tyler Schug)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:21:16 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] <OT>Palm V, Accessories, Manual & O'Reilly book...
In-Reply-To: <1549351905-1247434726-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582615345-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1549351905-1247434726-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582615345-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4A5B5EFC.4020300@comcast.net>

I am still quite happy with my Palm III clone, a TRG Pro, though I would 
like to move up to a Handera 330 if I could get one cheap.  It does what 
I need, and I can back it up to the Compact Flash memory card (another 
dinosaur)...

--Carey

From scott at cashnetusa.com  Mon Jul 13 11:28:25 2009
From: scott at cashnetusa.com (W. Scott Lockwood III)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:28:25 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] <OT>Palm V, Accessories, Manual & O'Reilly book...
In-Reply-To: <4A5B5EFC.4020300@comcast.net>
References: <1549351905-1247434726-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582615345-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4A5B5EFC.4020300@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1247502505.5577.4.camel@scott-d630>

I heart my palm VII x with keyboard. Best note taking machine ever.

On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 11:21 -0500, Carey Tyler Schug wrote:
> I am still quite happy with my Palm III clone, a TRG Pro, though I would 
> like to move up to a Handera 330 if I could get one cheap.  It does what 
> I need, and I can back it up to the Compact Flash memory card (another 
> dinosaur)...
> 
> --Carey

-- 
W. Scott Lockwood III   CashNetUSA
Small Shiny Object Guy  200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400
scott at cashnetusa.com    Chicago, Il 60606
(312) 586 4224 or xHELP http://www.cashnetusa.com/


From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 13:01:19 2009
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:01:19 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] <OT> Selling my Nokia n800
Message-ID: <58a5f2220907131101y248ddcc9r2912ac44db7937cb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all.

Thought I'd throw it up here before I resort to ebay. I have a Nokia n800
with 2GB SD card and data cable I'm trying to sell for $90 if anyone is
interested?
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From trainor at transborder.net  Mon Jul 13 14:19:24 2009
From: trainor at transborder.net (Douglas J. Trainor)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:19:24 -0400
Subject: [LUNI] libtiff tools integer overflows
References: <20090713181205.GU4038@inversepath.com>
Message-ID: <A5F63CD5-371A-48AC-8324-C2D7DD4D76A3@transborder.net>

Patch, if you haven't already, if you ever view TIFF images...

	douglas

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Andrea Barisani <lcars at ocert.org>
> Date: July 13, 2009 2:12:05 PM EDT
> To: ocert-announce at lists.ocert.org, oss-security at lists.openwall.com, bugtraq at securityfocus.com
> Subject: [ocert-announce] [oCERT-2009-012] libtiff tools integer  
> overflows
> Reply-To: ocert-announce at lists.ocert.org
>
>
> #2009-012 libtiff tools integer overflows
>
> Description:
>
> The libtiff image library tools suffer from integer overflows which  
> may lead to
> a potentially exploitable heap overflow and result in arbitrary code  
> execution.
>
> The libtiff package ships a library, for reading and writing TIFF,  
> as well as a
> small collection of tools for manipulating TIFF images. The  
> cvt_whole_image
> function used in the tiff2rgba tool and the tiffcvt function used in  
> the
> rgb2ycbcr tool do not properly validate the width and height of the  
> image.
> Specific TIFF images with large width and height can be crafted to  
> trigger the
> vulnerability.
>
> A patch has been made available by the maintainer and further  
> improved by Tom
> Lane of Red Hat.
>
> Affected version:
>
> libtiff <= 3.8.2, <= 3.9 (stable), <= 4.0 (development)
>
> Fixed version:
>
> libtiff, N/A (patch has been made available and it's expected to be  
> committed
> to libtiff CVS)
>
> Credit: vulnerability report and PoC code received from Tielei Wang  
> <wangtielei
>        [at] icst [dot] pku [dot] edu [dot] cn>, ICST-ERCIS.
>
> CVE: CVE-2009-2347
>
> Timeline:
>
> 2009-05-22: vulnerability report received
> 2009-05-22: contacted libtiff maintainer
> 2009-06-30: report resent to maintainer due to lack of response
> 2009-07-01: maintainer provides patch
> 2009-07-04: reporter confirm fixes
> 2009-07-04: oCERT requests one week embargo for vendor notification
> 2009-07-04: maintainer confirms embargo
> 2009-07-07: contacted affected vendors
> 2009-07-07: assigned CVE
> 2009-07-07: improved patch contributed by Tom Lane of Red Hat
> 2009-07-04: reporter acknowledges patch
> 2009-07-13: advisory release
>
> References:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=35132
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2009-2347
>
> Permalink:
> http://www.ocert.org/advisories/ocert-2009-012.html
>
> -- 
> Andrea Barisani |                Founder & Project Coordinator
>          oCERT | Open Source Computer Emergency Response Team
>
> <lcars at ocert.org>                         http://www.ocert.org
> 0x864C9B9E 0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E
>        "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate"
> -- 
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From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 14 10:39:33 2009
From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Smith)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LUNI] Old Ubuntu CDs
Message-ID: <536900.61040.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was doing a bit of housecleaning and came across some old Ubuntu discs. These are the ones you get from Canonical, factory-pressed, in nice jackets. They are version 5.04 (Ubuntu) and 7.04 (Kubuntu). I have (6) x86 discs, (2) AMD64 discs, and (2) copies of Kubuntu. The Kubuntu discs include one Live CD, whereas the Ubuntu discs contain two, an Install and a Live CD.

I figured that I would post these here before pitching into the recycle bin. Please reply off list if you would like any of these. If I haven't heard from anyone, they will be in Friday's trash pickup.

If you've got older hardware to install Linux on, or if you just want to see what's changed over the past couple of years, these may be for you.

Rob Smith
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jul 14 11:25:08 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:25:08 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Old Ubuntu CDs
In-Reply-To: <536900.61040.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <536900.61040.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <549053140907140925o5436d6f2pfb5ff3067d116bf@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Robert
Smith<r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> They are version 5.04 (Ubuntu)

I would like one of those for my collection.  No clue when I am going
where, so fun way to get one to me is to bring all of them to the next
meeting and give them out to a bunch of people who might be going to
meetings I might attend:  ChiPy, JavaScript, Clojure, Android, the
Learning Python tutorial I am putting on.   Leave it at Sully's with
Brigid (manager that I bother all the time.)


-- 
Carl K

From eric at MacAdie.net  Tue Jul 14 13:35:55 2009
From: eric at MacAdie.net (Eric MacAdie)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:35:55 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
Message-ID: <4A5CD00B.1090902@MacAdie.net>

Does anyone have an opinion on the Acronis partitioning software? I 
think Disk Director is their partitioning product.

I am thinking about getting another desktop or laptop, and I have read 
that GParted can mess up some laptop models. So spending $50 on 
partitioning software would be cheaper than getting another hard drive 
installed (I don't like to do that myself) and would be the only option 
for a laptop.

I did search the list archives, and there were some positive comments on 
Acronis products from 2003-2004. I was wondering if anybody had more 
recent experience.

Eric MacAdie


From scott at cashnetusa.com  Tue Jul 14 14:27:25 2009
From: scott at cashnetusa.com (W. Scott Lockwood III)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:27:25 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <4A5CD00B.1090902@MacAdie.net>
References: <4A5CD00B.1090902@MacAdie.net>
Message-ID: <1247599645.6056.5.camel@scott-d630>

On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 13:35 -0500, Eric MacAdie wrote:
> Does anyone have an opinion on the Acronis partitioning software? I 
> think Disk Director is their partitioning product.
> 
> I am thinking about getting another desktop or laptop, and I have read 
> that GParted can mess up some laptop models. So spending $50 on 
> partitioning software would be cheaper than getting another hard drive 
> installed (I don't like to do that myself) and would be the only option 
> for a laptop.
> 
> I did search the list archives, and there were some positive comments on 
> Acronis products from 2003-2004. I was wondering if anybody had more 
> recent experience.
> 
> Eric MacAdie
> 

There are many options that are good and free, GParted among them. The
comment "GParted can mess up some laptop models" makes no sense to me.
Could you be a little less vague? GParted is awesome, but if you don't
trust it for some odd reason, look also at Disk Drake
(http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114142), Parted Magic LiveCD
(http://partedmagic.com/), or look at this page for many more resources:
http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/partitioneditors.shtml
-- 
W. Scott Lockwood III


From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 14 14:31:59 2009
From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:31:59 +0000
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
Message-ID: <911622404-1247599923-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-404270840-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I can't shed any light on Acronis, but I've used GParted on a number of laptops, including one which had Vista installed and I was making room for Windows 7 to dual-boot, and I have not experienced any issues. In a number of uses, I've needed to shrink an NTFS partition in use by Win XP so I could install various Ubuntu or Ubuntu derivatives. So far, I've used GParted on IBM, Compaq, Toshiba, Asus, and Acer hardware without issue.

HTH.

------Original Message------
From: Eric MacAdie
Sender: luni-bounces at luni.org
To: LUNI
ReplyTo: LUNI
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
Sent: Jul 14, 2009 1:35 PM

Does anyone have an opinion on the Acronis partitioning software? I 
think Disk Director is their partitioning product.

I am thinking about getting another desktop or laptop, and I have read 
that GParted can mess up some laptop models. So spending $50 on 
partitioning software would be cheaper than getting another hard drive 
installed (I don't like to do that myself) and would be the only option 
for a laptop.

I did search the list archives, and there were some positive comments on 
Acronis products from 2003-2004. I was wondering if anybody had more 
recent experience.

Eric MacAdie

-- 
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http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni


Rob Smith
Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular

From samir at esamir.com  Tue Jul 14 15:08:53 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:08:53 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <911622404-1247599923-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-404270840-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <911622404-1247599923-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-404270840-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907141308i494f190ag7ce967d2ae49881a@mail.gmail.com>

My old boss used to swear by Acronis.  It is a pretty good app actually.

Now, I had some issues with gparted before...but nothing that'll destroy
physical devices.

So, if gparted craps out.. you lose your partitions, but then.. that's why
you backed up all your data like you should.   Right?  I mean even with
acronis you really should backup everything before doing any repartitioning.

That being said, It doesn't seem you get that much of an advatnage with one
vs the other.. maybe a few hours saved having to re-install and restore....
on the off chance it does break.

--
Samir




On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, <r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I can't shed any light on Acronis, but I've used GParted on a number of
> laptops, including one which had Vista installed and I was making room for
> Windows 7 to dual-boot, and I have not experienced any issues. In a number
> of uses, I've needed to shrink an NTFS partition in use by Win XP so I could
> install various Ubuntu or Ubuntu derivatives. So far, I've used GParted on
> IBM, Compaq, Toshiba, Asus, and Acer hardware without issue.
>
> HTH.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Eric MacAdie
> Sender: luni-bounces at luni.org
> To: LUNI
> ReplyTo: LUNI
> Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
> Sent: Jul 14, 2009 1:35 PM
>
> Does anyone have an opinion on the Acronis partitioning software? I
> think Disk Director is their partitioning product.
>
> I am thinking about getting another desktop or laptop, and I have read
> that GParted can mess up some laptop models. So spending $50 on
> partitioning software would be cheaper than getting another hard drive
> installed (I don't like to do that myself) and would be the only option
> for a laptop.
>
> I did search the list archives, and there were some positive comments on
> Acronis products from 2003-2004. I was wondering if anybody had more
> recent experience.
>
> Eric MacAdie
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>
> Rob Smith
> Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>



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From hef at pbrfrat.com  Tue Jul 14 16:24:02 2009
From: hef at pbrfrat.com (Hef)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:24:02 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0907141308i494f190ag7ce967d2ae49881a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911622404-1247599923-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-404270840-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9db93b0e0907141308i494f190ag7ce967d2ae49881a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df23ff1b0907141424o66346186nd9004278f1d0cb87@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use the acronis boot disk for disk cloning purposes.  The
only problem I ran into is sometimes it lacked the network drivers I
needed.

I eventually switched to a solutions using ms-sys (to recreate an
mbr), ntfsprogs, and cfdisk partially because they will work with
generic livecds, and partly because I could script the disk cloning
process.

I would be surprised if software can permanently damage your hard
disk, I would expect that worst case scenario to be you lose your data
and have to start over.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Samir Faci<samir at esamir.com> wrote:
> My old boss used to swear by Acronis.? It is a pretty good app actually.
>
> Now, I had some issues with gparted before...but nothing that'll destroy
> physical devices.
>
> So, if gparted craps out.. you lose your partitions, but then.. that's why
> you backed up all your data like you should.?? Right?? I mean even with
> acronis you really should backup everything before doing any repartitioning.
>
> That being said, It doesn't seem you get that much of an advatnage with one
> vs the other.. maybe a few hours saved having to re-install and restore....
> on the off chance it does break.
>
> --
> Samir
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, <r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> I can't shed any light on Acronis, but I've used GParted on a number of
>> laptops, including one which had Vista installed and I was making room for
>> Windows 7 to dual-boot, and I have not experienced any issues. In a number
>> of uses, I've needed to shrink an NTFS partition in use by Win XP so I could
>> install various Ubuntu or Ubuntu derivatives. So far, I've used GParted on
>> IBM, Compaq, Toshiba, Asus, and Acer hardware without issue.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Eric MacAdie
>> Sender: luni-bounces at luni.org
>> To: LUNI
>> ReplyTo: LUNI
>> Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
>> Sent: Jul 14, 2009 1:35 PM
>>
>> Does anyone have an opinion on the Acronis partitioning software? I
>> think Disk Director is their partitioning product.
>>
>> I am thinking about getting another desktop or laptop, and I have read
>> that GParted can mess up some laptop models. So spending $50 on
>> partitioning software would be cheaper than getting another hard drive
>> installed (I don't like to do that myself) and would be the only option
>> for a laptop.
>>
>> I did search the list archives, and there were some positive comments on
>> Acronis products from 2003-2004. I was wondering if anybody had more
>> recent experience.
>>
>> Eric MacAdie
>>
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>>
>>
>> Rob Smith
>> Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> `fortune`
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jul 14 21:49:56 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:49:56 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <df23ff1b0907141424o66346186nd9004278f1d0cb87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911622404-1247599923-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-404270840-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9db93b0e0907141308i494f190ag7ce967d2ae49881a@mail.gmail.com>
	<df23ff1b0907141424o66346186nd9004278f1d0cb87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140907141949u8577262t29714abc15885ef3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Hef<hef at pbrfrat.com> wrote:
> I used to use the acronis boot disk for disk cloning purposes. ?The
> only problem I ran into is sometimes it lacked the network drivers I
> needed.
>
> I eventually switched to a solutions using ms-sys (to recreate an
> mbr), ntfsprogs, and cfdisk partially because they will work with
> generic livecds, and partly because I could script the disk cloning
> process.

sounds like http://www.clonezilla.org, which rocks.

-- 
Carl K

From hef at pbrfrat.com  Wed Jul 15 01:48:25 2009
From: hef at pbrfrat.com (Hef)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:48:25 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <549053140907141949u8577262t29714abc15885ef3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911622404-1247599923-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-404270840-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9db93b0e0907141308i494f190ag7ce967d2ae49881a@mail.gmail.com>
	<df23ff1b0907141424o66346186nd9004278f1d0cb87@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140907141949u8577262t29714abc15885ef3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df23ff1b0907142348h32e982f5t79de544e176458fe@mail.gmail.com>

mine was a homegrown solution, but clonezilla's multicast cloning sounds amazing

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Hef<hef at pbrfrat.com> wrote:
>> I used to use the acronis boot disk for disk cloning purposes. ?The
>> only problem I ran into is sometimes it lacked the network drivers I
>> needed.
>>
>> I eventually switched to a solutions using ms-sys (to recreate an
>> mbr), ntfsprogs, and cfdisk partially because they will work with
>> generic livecds, and partly because I could script the disk cloning
>> process.
>
> sounds like http://www.clonezilla.org, which rocks.
>
> --
> Carl K
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>

From ceo at l-i-e.com  Thu Jul 16 10:03:05 2009
From: ceo at l-i-e.com (Richard Lynch)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:03:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <4A5CD00B.1090902@MacAdie.net>
References: <4A5CD00B.1090902@MacAdie.net>
Message-ID: <63376.99.18.1247756585.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com>

I think you'd be better off just mirroring the drive somehow before
using gpartd...

I suspect most "problems" with GPartd are PEBKAC...

On Tue, July 14, 2009 1:35 pm, Eric MacAdie wrote:
> Does anyone have an opinion on the Acronis partitioning software? I
> think Disk Director is their partitioning product.
>
> I am thinking about getting another desktop or laptop, and I have read
> that GParted can mess up some laptop models. So spending $50 on
> partitioning software would be cheaper than getting another hard drive
> installed (I don't like to do that myself) and would be the only
> option
> for a laptop.
>
> I did search the list archives, and there were some positive comments
> on
> Acronis products from 2003-2004. I was wondering if anybody had more
> recent experience.
>
> Eric MacAdie
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>


-- 
Some people ask for gifts here.
I just want you to buy an Indie CD for yourself:
http://cdbaby.com/search/from/lynch



From safaci2000 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 14:02:34 2009
From: safaci2000 at gmail.com (Sam Faci)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:02:34 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fwd: Linux / Networking / Security Position at Trustwave Open
In-Reply-To: <DC0DF575324ABF4EBBADFD0E696DEDFF3D5945@sky12.trustwave.com>
References: <DC0DF575324ABF4EBBADFD0E696DEDFF3D5945@sky12.trustwave.com>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907161202oa50d53bjef011f6042057ae8@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Zack Fasel <ZFasel at trustwave.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Subject: Linux / Networking / Security Position at Trustwave Open
To: dlc at mailman.depaul.edu, sec-daemons at mailman.depaul.edu,
cinsc-announce at mailman.depaul.edu


 Hey Guys and Gals,



There is a mid level position at Trustwave (www.trustwave.com) for the
Managed Security Services Provisioning department that is opening up.  This
is a full time 9 to 5 position in the heart of the loop, not a part time or
internship (sadly).  This position requires a strong knowledge of Linux
(preferably CentOS or RHEL, but any distro background will do, and a strong
knowledge of troubleshooting linux services? configuration issues), a strong
knowledge of networking (you should know subnetting, how to troubleshoot
issues with Layer 2, how policy based routing works, just to name a few
common things), and a strong security knowledge as well (good firewall
practices, what an log collector/firewall/ids/ips/nac is and how they work,
and the basics of PCI compliance..yes..PCI)



The job is approximately 50% communicating with customers, so strong
communication skills are necessary (analogies comparing security to TSA at
the airport always work well), and the ability to manage multiple projects
and customers simultaneously is a must (on average, 10 to 15 customers).  In
addition, a large portion is troubleshooting installations of the network
security devices, so strong troubleshooting skills and core knowledge is
absolutely necessary ? plus it?s fun.



Below is the details of the position as posted.  If you are interested, have
more questions, feel you?re close to qualified (but on the edge about one or
two details), or want something similar but not this exact position, shoot
me an e-mail here with your resume and any questions you have, and I?ll pass
the information on to the appropriate hiring managers (not some HR
pre-screening via buzzwords website).



And no, I?m not some lame recruiter who?s going to put your name on an index
card in a file.  This is an actual open and hiring slot (and there?s a few
more if you are not as qualified or more qualified as well within the
company).  This is my current position, and I can highly recommend taking a
look at more if it sounds up your alley.



Cheers!



Zack Fasel
Trustwave - MSS Provisioning
70 W Madison St, Ste 1050, Chicago, IL 60602
zfasel at trustwave.com - +1.312.267.3270



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*Location:* Chicago

*Description:*
A MSS Provisioning Engineer is a member of the Provisioning Team for
Trustwave Managed Security Services (MSS) business. An MSS Provisioning
Engineer is responsible for implementing security devices and products that
enable delivery of managed security services into a variety of simple to
complex network environments. A Provisioning Engineer handles all aspects of
the Provisioning process for Managed Security Services; including design
review, data gathering, equipment and system staging, configuration,
installation, troubleshooting and activation of services for delivery by
Trustwave Security Operations Centers. In addition to possessing deep
technical knowledge, a Provisioning Engineer interacts extensively with
customers and partners using polite professional etiquette. The Provisioning
Engineer educates customers on how to use their security services to ensure
a successful MSS experience. A Provisioning Engineer is a technical security
Provisioning expert, customer service specialist and project manager.

   - Use strong TCP/IP networking skills and deep technical knowledge in one
   or more best-of-breed security products.
   - Advise best practices for security device Provisioning specific to the
   customer environment.
   - Build, configure, and deploy security devices and services supported by
   MSS.
   - Work independently on low to medium complexity customer orders.
   - Work with Project Managers on specifically designated customer
   projects.
   - Work under pressure on multiple projects with tight schedules.
   - Interface with a variety of customers in a polite, positive and
   professional manner.
   - Take responsibility for customer satisfaction and overall success of
   Provisioning projects.
   - Perform basic project management functions on all projects.
   - Apply a broad base of hardware, software and networking technical
   knowledge.

*Skills & Knowledge Requirements:*
Must have advanced skills/knowledge in some of the following:

   - Information security
   - Network security architecture and design
   - Routers and access control devices
   - Unix / Linux operating systems
   - TCP/IP networking
   - Internet Security Systems (ISS) security products
   - Check Point Firewall security products
   - Juniper / NetScreen security products
   - Cisco network security products
   - 3COM / Tipping Point security products
   - McAfee network security products

*Desired experience:*

   - 2 or more years of information security or networking experience
   - Excellent customer service skills
   - Excellent analytical thinking and problem solving skills
   - Strong oral (phone) and written (email) communication skills
   - Self managed and team oriented
   - Deadline and detail oriented
   - Highly motivated
   - Willing and able to work flexible schedules as needed; including
   evenings, nights and weekends which are periodically required to ensure
   project success.
      - Bachelors Degree in Information Technology
      - English: Fluent
      - Spanish language support is also desired

*Additional information*

   - 2 or more years of information security or networking experience
   - Excellent customer service skills
   - Excellent analytical thinking and problem solving skills
   - Strong oral (phone) and written (email) communication skills
   - Self managed and team oriented
   - Deadline and detail oriented
   - Highly motivated
   - Willing and able to work flexible schedules as needed; including
   evenings, nights and weekends which are periodically required to ensure
   project success.

*Required:*

   - Technical Diploma
   - U.S. citizenship required
   - English: Fluent
   - Spanish language is also desired

*Preferred:*

   - Bachelors Degree in Information Technology
   - At least 1 year experience in Information Security or Networking
   - Certified in Security related Industry, Vendor or Professional
   Certification



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From tim at wielgos.com  Fri Jul 17 11:24:41 2009
From: tim at wielgos.com (Timothy J. Wielgos)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LUNI] multiple search domains
Message-ID: <739690.83750.qm@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey all,

I noticed something today that ought to work but doesn't.

If I add multiple search domains to my /etc/resolv.conf file, it only searches the last one in the list.  

Ex:

#cat /etc/resolv.conf
search domain.com
search domain2.com
nameserver <dns ip address>
nameserver <secondary dns ip address>

#nslookup host-on-domain

** server can't find host-on-domain: SERVFAIL

#nslookup host-on-domain.domain.com
Name: host-on-domain.domain.com
Address:  192.168.0.13

#nslookup host-on-domain2
Name: host-on-domain2.domain2.com
Address:  192.168.0.14


Anybody else notice this?  Am I being stupid here?
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From craig at codestorm.org  Fri Jul 17 11:56:15 2009
From: craig at codestorm.org (Craig Van Tassle)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:56:15 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] multiple search domains
In-Reply-To: <739690.83750.qm@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <739690.83750.qm@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090717115615.7c99b053@craig-laptop>

Tim,

Try this. 

search domain2.com domain1.com domain.com

You need to specify it in one line just spaced apart. Using a , wont
work properly.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
"Timothy J. Wielgos" <tim at wielgos.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I noticed something today that ought to work but doesn't.
> 
> If I add multiple search domains to my /etc/resolv.conf file, it only
> searches the last one in the list.  
> 
> Ex:
> 
> #cat /etc/resolv.conf
> search domain.com
> search domain2.com
> nameserver <dns ip address>
> nameserver <secondary dns ip address>
> 
> #nslookup host-on-domain
> 
> ** server can't find host-on-domain: SERVFAIL
> 
> #nslookup host-on-domain.domain.com
> Name: host-on-domain.domain.com
> Address:  192.168.0.13
> 
> #nslookup host-on-domain2
> Name: host-on-domain2.domain2.com
> Address:  192.168.0.14
> 
> 
> Anybody else notice this?  Am I being stupid here?


-- 
Craig Van Tassle
onGuard Managed Services 
onShore Networks, LLC http://www.onshore.com
craigv at onshore.com
312.850.5200 x116

From linux at unliketea.com  Mon Jul 20 13:52:57 2009
From: linux at unliketea.com (Steve Pribyl)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:52:57 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] http connect to IP and request host
Message-ID: <4A64BD09.5000100@unliketea.com>

I am having a brain fart and can't remember how to do this.

Using some browser(firefox,lynx) connect to an ipaddress and requiest 
pages for a specific host name.

lynx 192.168.0.1 -host somesite.com

From seva at glivorem.com  Mon Jul 20 15:19:35 2009
From: seva at glivorem.com (Seva Epsteyn)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:19:35 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] http connect to IP and request host
In-Reply-To: <4A64BD09.5000100@unliketea.com>
References: <4A64BD09.5000100@unliketea.com>
Message-ID: <2ef7d2be0907201319u2b2a00e6h7f03efa85f18f2e4@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

If you are just testing and don't care about the rendering you can use
telnet, just to add a "Host: " header,

$ host google.com | grep address | head -1
google.com has address 74.125.67.100

$ telnet 74.125.127.100 http
response< Trying 74.125.127.100...
response< Connected to 74.125.127.100.
response< Escape character is '^]'.
sent> GET /reader HTTP/1.1
sent> Host: www.google.com
sent>
response<
response< HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
response< ...

Regards,

Seva


On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 13:52, Steve Pribyl<linux at unliketea.com> wrote:
> I am having a brain fart and can't remember how to do this.
>
> Using some browser(firefox,lynx) connect to an ipaddress and requiest
> pages for a specific host name.
>
> lynx 192.168.0.1 -host somesite.com
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>

From tim at wielgos.com  Tue Jul 21 09:30:46 2009
From: tim at wielgos.com (Timothy J. Wielgos)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LUNI] no luni mail since last week?
Message-ID: <904217.60144.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey all,

I'm just throwing this out as a test, since I haven't received any LUNI mail since last week.

--Tim
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From samir at esamir.com  Tue Jul 21 09:35:17 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:35:17 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] no luni mail since last week?
In-Reply-To: <904217.60144.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <904217.60144.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907210735w34267a1aw64dad6c57089d5cb@mail.gmail.com>

pong.  Successful test.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Timothy J. Wielgos <tim at wielgos.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm just throwing this out as a test, since I haven't received any LUNI
> mail since last week.
>
> --Tim
>
>
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>


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From r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 21 09:38:34 2009
From: r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net (r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:38:34 +0000
Subject: [LUNI] no luni mail since last week?
In-Reply-To: <904217.60144.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <904217.60144.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1053864041-1248187124-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610742374-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I got it. The list has been slow.

Rob Smith
Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular

-----Original Message-----
From: "Timothy J. Wielgos" <tim at wielgos.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:30:46 
To: luni<luni at luni.org>
Subject: [LUNI] no luni mail since last week?


-- 
Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion 
http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni


From ramin-list at badapple.net  Tue Jul 21 12:27:33 2009
From: ramin-list at badapple.net (Ramin K)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:27:33 -0700
Subject: [LUNI] no luni mail since last week?
In-Reply-To: <1053864041-1248187124-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610742374-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <904217.60144.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1053864041-1248187124-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610742374-@bxe1243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4A65FA85.4030006@badapple.net>

I blame http://serverfault.com/questions for sucking in all the 
interesting Linux questions.

r_a_smith3530 at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> I got it. The list has been slow.
> 
> Rob Smith
> Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Timothy J. Wielgos" <tim at wielgos.com>
> 
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:30:46 
> To: luni<luni at luni.org>
> Subject: [LUNI] no luni mail since last week?
> 
> 


From ohrock at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 10:25:12 2009
From: ohrock at gmail.com (Roberto Serrano)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:25:12 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fwd: Registration for Chicago Androids August meeting is
	already open.
In-Reply-To: <3d76512f0907220816h22738444m9e45c6ecde45ddf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d76512f0907220816h22738444m9e45c6ecde45ddf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d76512f0907220825t2b53a3d5xeb040977519b18d0@mail.gmail.com>

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Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Subject: Registration for Chicago Androids August meeting is already open.
To: chicago-androids at googlegroups.com


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From scott at cashnetusa.com  Wed Jul 22 12:01:14 2009
From: scott at cashnetusa.com (Lockwood, Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:01:14 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Comment approvals
Message-ID: <363936A1EB2FFD49BE272964781DF18C31AF@CORPMAIL2.casham.com>

Can someone take a look at, and approve the message I sent earlier, please, and thank you? :)
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From mikeknoop at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 01:38:18 2009
From: mikeknoop at gmail.com (Mike Knoop)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:38:18 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Linux / Tablet Computers
Message-ID: <000001ca044d$ad91b200$08b51600$@com>

Hi Mike,

 

I came across your post on luni.org regarding your Lenovo x61 tablet and
Linux, posted in May of this year. I also have an x61 tablet and have been
jumping back and forth between Linux and Vista primarily due to the fact
that one of my main tasks is taking notes in my engineering classes which
simply cannot be done with a keyboard (and require the tablet input).

 

I was wondering if you had come across and acceptable solutions to get this
working? Last I checked was in January or so and OneNote 2007 emulation
support under Linux really hadn't been perfected (missing driver for touch
input I believe).

 

Also, you mentioned that you got the EVDO card working on Sprint. To my
knowledge, my laptop was marketed by Lenovo as only using the card for
Verizon's network. However I do know that Sprint and Verizon use the same
network spectrum (CDMA) and was wondering what exactly you had to do to get
this working, and if it still does.

 

Thanks a lot for your time,

-Mike Knoop

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From dwade at voxlox.com  Tue Jul 14 16:40:13 2009
From: dwade at voxlox.com (Sushi Technologies)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:13 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <4A5CD00B.1090902@MacAdie.net>
References: <4A5CD00B.1090902@MacAdie.net>
Message-ID: <D2F71779-8CFC-4110-913D-44B8E30B66A2@voxlox.com>

As others have mentioned, the various linux part tools can do a fine  
job.
If you MUST use a commercial product, I can vouch for Acronis.  Can  
run your partition resize/move/copy/shrink/backup via standalone CD  
boot, or via an installable pre-boot environment. I've installed it on  
a system I made for a "at risk" (of honking their system) user and  
used it as an emergency partition backup/restore tool.  Worked like a  
charm.

Note that it is not free as in either speech or beer. :)



From scott at cashnetusa.com  Wed Jul 22 08:02:23 2009
From: scott at cashnetusa.com (Lockwood, Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:02:23 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] [JOB POSTING] We have 3 positions available right now -
 Downtown in the Loop (Jackson and Wells)
Message-ID: <363936A1EB2FFD49BE272964781DF18C212A@CORPMAIL2.casham.com>

We have immediate needs for a:

* Sr. Software Engineer
* User Interface Engineer
* Sr. Technical QA Engineer

To avoid spaminating the list with unnecessary traffic, please email me DIRECTLY if interested in a position at scott at cashnetusa.com, and I will send you a complete job description. While there is a small amount of MS in our environment, We are primarily a *NIX based F/LOSS shop - mostly Linux, both Debian and Ubuntu, but also a small amount of FreeBSD, Solaris, RHEL, and a few scattered other things. On the DEV side, we're heavy into Ruby on Rails, though knowledge of RoR is not a requirement - it's just cool :-). Plus, we pay well. If you're looking, you could do a LOT worse than to come to work here. Even when I've been mad at the place, it's still been the best place I have ever worked in 20+ years, and I've been here 3 years 8 months now. We are located at Jackson and Wells, so public transportation is really close by.

Lastly, I'm very sorry but no inquiry's from recruiters, please. I've tried to convince the powers that be to let us use recruiting and consulting firms, but they prefer not to at this time. 

(ON a personal note, I was a consultant for five years, and I'd love to open this up to the right group of folks, but my CIO is convinced that most firms are resume mills that won't get us what we need. :()

-- 
W. Scott Lockwood III       CashNetUSA
System Administrator        200 W. Jackson Blvd #2400
scott at cashnetusa.com     Chicago, Il 60606
(312) 586 4224 or              http://www.cashnetusa.com/jobs.html

From samir at esamir.com  Thu Jul 23 07:46:35 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:46:35 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Latex
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907230546n504836dbs481cda8c8b04e55e@mail.gmail.com>

I have a few documents written in latex referring to external .cls files.  I
was wondering if anyone knew of any work around to allow me to convert them
to rtf, or html.  (Basically anything that could eventually turn into a word
format).

I know there is latex2rtf but that only seems to support the most basic
formats.

--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
`fortune`
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From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com  Thu Jul 23 09:13:21 2009
From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean lynch)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:13:21 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Latex
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0907230546n504836dbs481cda8c8b04e55e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9db93b0e0907230546n504836dbs481cda8c8b04e55e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A687001.10506@sean-lynch.com>

Samir Faci wrote:
> I have a few documents written in latex referring to external .cls 
> files.  I was wondering if anyone knew of any work around to allow me 
> to convert them to rtf, or html.  (Basically anything that could 
> eventually turn into a word format). 
>
> I know there is latex2rtf but that only seems to support the most 
> basic formats. 
>
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> `fortune`
something like latex2html ?
http://www.tug.org/mailman/listinfo/latex2html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX2HTML

or maybe Tex4HT:
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/


From samir at esamir.com  Thu Jul 23 09:37:01 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:37:01 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Latex
In-Reply-To: <4A687001.10506@sean-lynch.com>
References: <9db93b0e0907230546n504836dbs481cda8c8b04e55e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A687001.10506@sean-lynch.com>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907230737g59f00ff7lc0dd1c6c9faadc9e@mail.gmail.com>

latex2html has the same issue that latex2rtf does.  It doesn't support
external cls files.

I haven't looked at Tex4Ht, but that could be promising.

--
Samir

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:13 AM, sean lynch <sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com>wrote:

> Samir Faci wrote:
> > I have a few documents written in latex referring to external .cls
> > files.  I was wondering if anyone knew of any work around to allow me
> > to convert them to rtf, or html.  (Basically anything that could
> > eventually turn into a word format).
> >
> > I know there is latex2rtf but that only seems to support the most
> > basic formats.
> >
> > --
> > Samir Faci
> > *insert title*
> > `fortune`
> something like latex2html ?
> http://www.tug.org/mailman/listinfo/latex2html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX2HTML
>
> or maybe Tex4HT:
> http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/<http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/%7Egurari/TeX4ht/>
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>



-- 
--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
`fortune`
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From me at heyjay.com  Sun Jul 26 20:41:58 2009
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:41:58 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] REST url
Message-ID: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Would:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SPY

Be considered a valid REST url?  I'm not sure if parameters are "allowed" on
a GET.  It seems like all the examples do NOT use parameters.

Thanks
Jay
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From tim at wielgos.com  Mon Jul 27 09:16:27 2009
From: tim at wielgos.com (Timothy J. Wielgos)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LUNI] upgrading Apache
Message-ID: <145045.64987.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

All,

This is slightly embarrasing to admit, but I have never had to upgrade an Apache installation that was compiled from source.  I've always used the pre-rolls from Red Hat which upgrades via a simple rpm command.  I've just never been in the position to have to apply any security fixes to a source compiled version.

Finally, I'm in the position to need to do so.  Anyone out there with experience who could point me in the right direction on this?  Anything I should watch out for?

Thanks,
Tim
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From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com  Mon Jul 27 09:36:45 2009
From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean lynch)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:36:45 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] REST url
In-Reply-To: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>

Jay Strauss wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Would:
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SPY
>
> Be considered a valid REST url?  I'm not sure if parameters are 
> "allowed" on a GET.  It seems like all the examples do NOT use parameters.
>
> Thanks
> Jay
Probably should look like:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp/s/SPY

so parameters are allowed as part of the parsing of urls.

Here's a nice discussion about it:
http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=153170


but I would suggest that you choose a framework that supports truly 
restful urls, then the url formation for that framework will naturally 
be restful.

If your framework has to jump through hoops to produce restful url's
then forget the REST or, if you must have REST, switch frameworks.

People don't type in url's, they click on them embedded in hyperlinks.
Don't try to shoehorn in a RESTful interface.

If you work in Rails you will get RESTful URL's.  Some PHP and Python
frameworks use REST are have good routing mechanisms.

I'll note that even frameworks, like Rails, that have truly embraced 
REST still have trouble handling all cases. Correctly nesting the 
routing information can get complex if you want super strict RESTful 
URLs. The Rails people are adding more configuration options to make 
more sensible choices:
http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/9/7/what-s-new-in-edge-rails-shallow-routes
That is a big leap for a framework whose mantra is convention over 
configuration.

Work with a framework that already uses REST for a few weeks and the 
naming will become more natural to you and seem less forced.

From samir at esamir.com  Mon Jul 27 09:44:48 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:44:48 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] upgrading Apache
In-Reply-To: <145045.64987.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <145045.64987.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907270744s63acd665tce5ac0c22fdbe128@mail.gmail.com>

that tends to get messy, which is why I always argued that you should use a
from source distro if you're going to compile code from source.  (Gentoo,
LFS, sourcemage) that provide some form of control.

I guess I would trying building it with a --prefix and install it locally to
see which directories it writes to.  ie.  /etc /sbin /whatever...

make a backup  or rename those, do a ./configure && make && make install
without the prefix, then migrate all your configurations over.  If you have
any modules installed, you'll have to grab those once more.  If they're
compiled against apache, you'll need to re-compile them against the source.

I hope this helps somewhat.

Also, just out of curiosity, why did you compile apache from source?
especially if you had a binary version available.

--
Samir

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Timothy J. Wielgos <tim at wielgos.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> This is slightly embarrasing to admit, but I have never had to upgrade an
> Apache installation that was compiled from source.  I've always used the
> pre-rolls from Red Hat which upgrades via a simple rpm command.  I've just
> never been in the position to have to apply any security fixes to a source
> compiled version.
>
> Finally, I'm in the position to need to do so.  Anyone out there with
> experience who could point me in the right direction on this?  Anything I
> should watch out for?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>
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From ramin-list at badapple.net  Mon Jul 27 10:34:53 2009
From: ramin-list at badapple.net (Ramin K)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:34:53 -0700
Subject: [LUNI] upgrading Apache
In-Reply-To: <145045.64987.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <145045.64987.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A6DC91D.6010006@badapple.net>

Timothy J. Wielgos wrote:
> All,
> 
> This is slightly embarrasing to admit, but I have never had to upgrade 
> an Apache installation that was compiled from source.  I've always used 
> the pre-rolls from Red Hat which upgrades via a simple rpm command.  
> I've just never been in the position to have to apply any security fixes 
> to a source compiled version.
> 
> Finally, I'm in the position to need to do so.  Anyone out there with 
> experience who could point me in the right direction on this?  Anything 
> I should watch out for?

	If I were in your shoes, I'd consider if this were the time to migrate 
to the Apache package your distro provides. There aren't any good 
reasons to have a homebuilt Apache though there are case where you'd 
want to build some of the modules yourself. However your distro should 
provide the tools for your to build those modules as well... modules 
rather than statically compiled into Apache.

Ramin

From dhorton at speakeasy.net  Mon Jul 27 11:05:44 2009
From: dhorton at speakeasy.net (David Horton)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:05:44 CDT
Subject: [LUNI] upgrading Apache
Message-ID: <37506.1248710744@speakeasy.net>

Tim,

Here are the configure options that I used when I last built Apache:

configure \
  --enable-so \
  --enable-modules=all \
  --host=i586-pc-linux-gnu \
  --prefix=/opt/apache-2.2.9

There is a whole build script that you can look at too for more detail.  It's at:
http://www.happy-monkey.net/els/helium-preview/src/build-scripts/httpd-2.2.9

I would suggest running your new apache installation on a different port number
(e.g. 8080) while you test things.  Point it to the same document root and see if
things look the same as your old install.

Hope that helps a bit.

Dave



On Mon Jul 27  9:16 , 'Timothy J. Wielgos' <tim at wielgos.com> sent:

>All,
>
>This is slightly embarrasing to admit, but I have never had to upgrade an Apache
installation that was compiled from source.?? I've always used the pre-rolls from
Red Hat which upgrades via a simple rpm command.?? I've just never been in the
position to have to apply any security fixes to a source compiled version.
>
>Finally, I'm in the position to need to do so.?? Anyone out there with experience
who could point me in the right direction on this??? Anything I should watch out for?
>
>Thanks,
>Tim


From me at heyjay.com  Mon Jul 27 17:24:29 2009
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:24:29 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] REST url
In-Reply-To: <4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>
References: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>
Message-ID: <39eaccc10907271524l469521a4vd41fed1b380d9dc9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I understand what you are saying, but what if you need more
parameters?  Like begindate, enddate, ticklength (ie weekly, daily,
hourly)

Would I end up with a url like:
...SPY/begindate/enddate/ticktype

Seems kinda hairy.

I'm just starting this whole adventure into java and rest.  I haven't
decided if and which framework to use. (I can only learn so much at
once)

Thanks
Jay

On 7/27/09, sean lynch <sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com> wrote:
> Jay Strauss wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Would:
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SPY
>>
>> Be considered a valid REST url?  I'm not sure if parameters are
>> "allowed" on a GET.  It seems like all the examples do NOT use parameters.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jay
> Probably should look like:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp/s/SPY
>
> so parameters are allowed as part of the parsing of urls.
>
> Here's a nice discussion about it:
> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=153170
>
>
> but I would suggest that you choose a framework that supports truly
> restful urls, then the url formation for that framework will naturally
> be restful.
>
> If your framework has to jump through hoops to produce restful url's
> then forget the REST or, if you must have REST, switch frameworks.
>
> People don't type in url's, they click on them embedded in hyperlinks.
> Don't try to shoehorn in a RESTful interface.
>
> If you work in Rails you will get RESTful URL's.  Some PHP and Python
> frameworks use REST are have good routing mechanisms.
>
> I'll note that even frameworks, like Rails, that have truly embraced
> REST still have trouble handling all cases. Correctly nesting the
> routing information can get complex if you want super strict RESTful
> URLs. The Rails people are adding more configuration options to make
> more sensible choices:
> http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/9/7/what-s-new-in-edge-rails-shallow-routes
> That is a big leap for a framework whose mantra is convention over
> configuration.
>
> Work with a framework that already uses REST for a few weeks and the
> naming will become more natural to you and seem less forced.
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>

From me at heyjay.com  Mon Jul 27 17:27:52 2009
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:27:52 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] REST url
In-Reply-To: <4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>
References: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>
Message-ID: <39eaccc10907271527y7c0bffbbn5eaaa58c5f291a52@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I understand what you are saying, but what if you need more
parameters?  Like begindate, enddate, ticklength (ie weekly, daily,
hourly)

Would I end up with a url like:
...SPY/begindate/enddate/ticktype

Seems kinda hairy.

I'm just starting this whole adventure into java and rest.  I haven't
decided if and which framework to use. (I can only learn so much at
once)

Thanks
Jay

On 7/27/09, sean lynch <sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com> wrote:
> Jay Strauss wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Would:
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SPY
>>
>> Be considered a valid REST url?  I'm not sure if parameters are
>> "allowed" on a GET.  It seems like all the examples do NOT use parameters.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jay
> Probably should look like:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp/s/SPY
>
> so parameters are allowed as part of the parsing of urls.
>
> Here's a nice discussion about it:
> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=153170
>
>
> but I would suggest that you choose a framework that supports truly
> restful urls, then the url formation for that framework will naturally
> be restful.
>
> If your framework has to jump through hoops to produce restful url's
> then forget the REST or, if you must have REST, switch frameworks.
>
> People don't type in url's, they click on them embedded in hyperlinks.
> Don't try to shoehorn in a RESTful interface.
>
> If you work in Rails you will get RESTful URL's.  Some PHP and Python
> frameworks use REST are have good routing mechanisms.
>
> I'll note that even frameworks, like Rails, that have truly embraced
> REST still have trouble handling all cases. Correctly nesting the
> routing information can get complex if you want super strict RESTful
> URLs. The Rails people are adding more configuration options to make
> more sensible choices:
> http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/9/7/what-s-new-in-edge-rails-shallow-routes
> That is a big leap for a framework whose mantra is convention over
> configuration.
>
> Work with a framework that already uses REST for a few weeks and the
> naming will become more natural to you and seem less forced.
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>

From cedrickj at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 17:47:15 2009
From: cedrickj at gmail.com (Cedrick Johnson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:47:15 -0400
Subject: [LUNI] REST url
In-Reply-To: <39eaccc10907271527y7c0bffbbn5eaaa58c5f291a52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>	<4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>
	<39eaccc10907271527y7c0bffbbn5eaaa58c5f291a52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6E2E73.2000103@gmail.com>

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From sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com  Tue Jul 28 09:13:53 2009
From: sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com (sean lynch)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:13:53 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] REST url
In-Reply-To: <39eaccc10907271524l469521a4vd41fed1b380d9dc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>	<4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>
	<39eaccc10907271524l469521a4vd41fed1b380d9dc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6F07A1.90306@sean-lynch.com>

You are correct.
One of the links I sent was about just this problem in the Rails framework.
http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/9/7/what-s-new-in-edge-rails-shallow-routes

Ending up with URLs like:
|http://.../users/1/articles/1/comments/1|
and adding configuration options to side step the defaults and end up 
with URLs like:
|http://.../comments/1|

For Rails people to choose configuration over convention is a really big 
deal! So you have identified one of the drawbacks of REST. Simple to 
understand, once you get the pattern in your head, but very wordy.

Stripes is a Java MVC framework that I believe has RESTful URLs:
http://www.stripesframework.org
http://www.stripesframework.org/display/stripes/Quick+Start+Guide

sean

Jay Strauss wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I understand what you are saying, but what if you need more
> parameters?  Like begindate, enddate, ticklength (ie weekly, daily,
> hourly)
>
> Would I end up with a url like:
> ...SPY/begindate/enddate/ticktype
>
> Seems kinda hairy.
>
> I'm just starting this whole adventure into java and rest.  I haven't
> decided if and which framework to use. (I can only learn so much at
> once)
>
> Thanks
> Jay
>
> On 7/27/09, sean lynch <sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com> wrote:
>   
>> Jay Strauss wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Would:
>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SPY
>>>
>>> Be considered a valid REST url?  I'm not sure if parameters are
>>> "allowed" on a GET.  It seems like all the examples do NOT use parameters.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jay
>>>       
>> Probably should look like:
>>
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp/s/SPY
>>
>> so parameters are allowed as part of the parsing of urls.
>>
>> Here's a nice discussion about it:
>> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=153170
>>
>>
>> but I would suggest that you choose a framework that supports truly
>> restful urls, then the url formation for that framework will naturally
>> be restful.
>>
>> If your framework has to jump through hoops to produce restful url's
>> then forget the REST or, if you must have REST, switch frameworks.
>>
>> People don't type in url's, they click on them embedded in hyperlinks.
>> Don't try to shoehorn in a RESTful interface.
>>
>> If you work in Rails you will get RESTful URL's.  Some PHP and Python
>> frameworks use REST are have good routing mechanisms.
>>
>> I'll note that even frameworks, like Rails, that have truly embraced
>> REST still have trouble handling all cases. Correctly nesting the
>> routing information can get complex if you want super strict RESTful
>> URLs. The Rails people are adding more configuration options to make
>> more sensible choices:
>> http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/9/7/what-s-new-in-edge-rails-shallow-routes
>> That is a big leap for a framework whose mantra is convention over
>> configuration.
>>
>> Work with a framework that already uses REST for a few weeks and the
>> naming will become more natural to you and seem less forced.
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>>
>>     


From scott at cashnetusa.com  Tue Jul 28 18:08:20 2009
From: scott at cashnetusa.com (Lockwood, Scott)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:08:20 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] ssh issue (likely a brainfail on my part)
Message-ID: <363936A1EB2FFD49BE272964781DF18C32C1@CORPMAIL2.casham.com>

Anyone ever see this? It's a box I just setup under xen. It should be identical to two other boxes I setup the same way.

scott at scott-d630:~$ ssh sugar.pi.chi.cashnetusa.com
ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host

Scott
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From hef at pbrfrat.com  Tue Jul 28 19:26:27 2009
From: hef at pbrfrat.com (Hef)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:26:27 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] ssh issue (likely a brainfail on my part)
In-Reply-To: <363936A1EB2FFD49BE272964781DF18C32C1@CORPMAIL2.casham.com>
References: <363936A1EB2FFD49BE272964781DF18C32C1@CORPMAIL2.casham.com>
Message-ID: <df23ff1b0907281726g4be7bbc7ya867229ac6de9a09@mail.gmail.com>

If you have a console into the box, look in /var/log/auth.log or
/var/log/messages or wherever ssh happens to be logging to on your
particular machine.  Chances our it will tell you why it is closing
the connection.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Lockwood, Scott<scott at cashnetusa.com> wrote:
> Anyone ever see this? It?s a box I just setup under xen. It should be
> identical to two other boxes I setup the same way.
>
>
>
> scott at scott-d630:~$ ssh sugar.pi.chi.cashnetusa.com
>
> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
>
>
>
> Scott
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>

From samir at esamir.com  Tue Jul 28 19:50:01 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:50:01 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] ssh issue (likely a brainfail on my part)
In-Reply-To: <df23ff1b0907281726g4be7bbc7ya867229ac6de9a09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <363936A1EB2FFD49BE272964781DF18C32C1@CORPMAIL2.casham.com>
	<df23ff1b0907281726g4be7bbc7ya867229ac6de9a09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907281750r6f50524el9192e70d8a088faf@mail.gmail.com>

Also doing:

ssh -vvv hostname   will give you a better idea on the client side as well.



On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Hef <hef at pbrfrat.com> wrote:

> If you have a console into the box, look in /var/log/auth.log or
> /var/log/messages or wherever ssh happens to be logging to on your
> particular machine.  Chances our it will tell you why it is closing
> the connection.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Lockwood, Scott<scott at cashnetusa.com>
> wrote:
> > Anyone ever see this? It?s a box I just setup under xen. It should be
> > identical to two other boxes I setup the same way.
> >
> >
> >
> > scott at scott-d630:~$ ssh sugar.pi.chi.cashnetusa.com
> >
> > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --
> > Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> > http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
> >
> >
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>



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From me at heyjay.com  Tue Jul 28 20:38:46 2009
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:38:46 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] REST url
In-Reply-To: <4A6E2E73.2000103@gmail.com>
References: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>
	<39eaccc10907271527y7c0bffbbn5eaaa58c5f291a52@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6E2E73.2000103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39eaccc10907281838m36e9974ap21e4142f9b0ed8a2@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the link Cedrick.  I'll read up on it.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Cedrick Johnson <cedrickj at gmail.com> wrote:

>  There's a package in a OSS stat tool (R/SPlus) called quantmod that deals
> extensively with pulling data from Yahoo, which may be of help to you in
> creating your URL query to Y! Finance.
>
> http://www.quantmod.com
>
> Here's the code used for Yahoo (in the quantmod getSymbols.yahoo function):
>
> download.file(paste(yahoo.URL, "s=", Symbols.name, "&a=",
>             from.m, "&b=", sprintf("%.2d", from.d), "&c=", from.y,
>             "&d=", to.m, "&e=", sprintf("%.2d", to.d), "&f=",
>             to.y, "&g=d&q=q&y=0", "&z=", Symbols.name, "&x=.csv",
>             sep = ""), destfile = tmp, quiet = !verbose)
>
>
> So a query using SPY, retrieving historical data from 2009-01-01 to today
> would look like this:
>
>
> http://chart.yahoo.com/table.csv?s=SPY&a=0&b=01&c=2009&d=6&e=27&f=2009&g=d&q=q&y=0&z=SPY&x=.csv
>
>
> HTH
> CJ
>
> Jay Strauss wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I understand what you are saying, but what if you need more
> parameters?  Like begindate, enddate, ticklength (ie weekly, daily,
> hourly)
>
> Would I end up with a url like:
> ...SPY/begindate/enddate/ticktype
>
> Seems kinda hairy.
>
> I'm just starting this whole adventure into java and rest.  I haven't
> decided if and which framework to use. (I can only learn so much at
> once)
>
> Thanks
> Jay
>
> On 7/27/09, sean lynch <sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com> <sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Jay Strauss wrote:
>
>
>  Hi,
>
> Would:http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SPY
>
> Be considered a valid REST url?  I'm not sure if parameters are
> "allowed" on a GET.  It seems like all the examples do NOT use parameters.
>
> Thanks
> Jay
>
>
>  Probably should look like:
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp/s/SPY
>
> so parameters are allowed as part of the parsing of urls.
>
> Here's a nice discussion about it:http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=153170
>
>
> but I would suggest that you choose a framework that supports truly
> restful urls, then the url formation for that framework will naturally
> be restful.
>
> If your framework has to jump through hoops to produce restful url's
> then forget the REST or, if you must have REST, switch frameworks.
>
> People don't type in url's, they click on them embedded in hyperlinks.
> Don't try to shoehorn in a RESTful interface.
>
> If you work in Rails you will get RESTful URL's.  Some PHP and Python
> frameworks use REST are have good routing mechanisms.
>
> I'll note that even frameworks, like Rails, that have truly embraced
> REST still have trouble handling all cases. Correctly nesting the
> routing information can get complex if you want super strict RESTful
> URLs. The Rails people are adding more configuration options to make
> more sensible choices:http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/9/7/what-s-new-in-edge-rails-shallow-routes
> That is a big leap for a framework whose mantra is convention over
> configuration.
>
> Work with a framework that already uses REST for a few weeks and the
> naming will become more natural to you and seem less forced.
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussionhttp://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>
> --
> *Cedrick W. Johnson
> *p) 646.434.8052
> aim) cedrickjcvgr
> www.cedrickjohnson.com
> New York - Chicago
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>
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From me at heyjay.com  Tue Jul 28 20:41:13 2009
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:41:13 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] REST url
In-Reply-To: <4A6F07A1.90306@sean-lynch.com>
References: <39eaccc10907261841n2159202bva9af5a12fa359463@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6DBB7D.2070501@sean-lynch.com>
	<39eaccc10907271524l469521a4vd41fed1b380d9dc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6F07A1.90306@sean-lynch.com>
Message-ID: <39eaccc10907281841g4813e768y8854413df569a886@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.  I guess I'll read about stripes too.  I think I'm not going to use
a framework to begin with.  Its already so much to digest.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:13 AM, sean lynch <sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com>wrote:

> You are correct.
> One of the links I sent was about just this problem in the Rails framework.
>
> http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/9/7/what-s-new-in-edge-rails-shallow-routes
>
> Ending up with URLs like:
> |http://.../users/1/articles/1/comments/1|
> and adding configuration options to side step the defaults and end up
> with URLs like:
> |http://.../comments/1|
>
> For Rails people to choose configuration over convention is a really big
> deal! So you have identified one of the drawbacks of REST. Simple to
> understand, once you get the pattern in your head, but very wordy.
>
> Stripes is a Java MVC framework that I believe has RESTful URLs:
> http://www.stripesframework.org
> http://www.stripesframework.org/display/stripes/Quick+Start+Guide
>
> sean
>
> Jay Strauss wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I understand what you are saying, but what if you need more
> > parameters?  Like begindate, enddate, ticklength (ie weekly, daily,
> > hourly)
> >
> > Would I end up with a url like:
> > ...SPY/begindate/enddate/ticktype
> >
> > Seems kinda hairy.
> >
> > I'm just starting this whole adventure into java and rest.  I haven't
> > decided if and which framework to use. (I can only learn so much at
> > once)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jay
> >
> > On 7/27/09, sean lynch <sean-lynch at sean-lynch.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jay Strauss wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Would:
> >>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SPY
> >>>
> >>> Be considered a valid REST url?  I'm not sure if parameters are
> >>> "allowed" on a GET.  It seems like all the examples do NOT use
> parameters.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Jay
> >>>
> >> Probably should look like:
> >>
> >> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp/s/SPY
> >>
> >> so parameters are allowed as part of the parsing of urls.
> >>
> >> Here's a nice discussion about it:
> >> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=153170
> >>
> >>
> >> but I would suggest that you choose a framework that supports truly
> >> restful urls, then the url formation for that framework will naturally
> >> be restful.
> >>
> >> If your framework has to jump through hoops to produce restful url's
> >> then forget the REST or, if you must have REST, switch frameworks.
> >>
> >> People don't type in url's, they click on them embedded in hyperlinks.
> >> Don't try to shoehorn in a RESTful interface.
> >>
> >> If you work in Rails you will get RESTful URL's.  Some PHP and Python
> >> frameworks use REST are have good routing mechanisms.
> >>
> >> I'll note that even frameworks, like Rails, that have truly embraced
> >> REST still have trouble handling all cases. Correctly nesting the
> >> routing information can get complex if you want super strict RESTful
> >> URLs. The Rails people are adding more configuration options to make
> >> more sensible choices:
> >>
> http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/9/7/what-s-new-in-edge-rails-shallow-routes
> >> That is a big leap for a framework whose mantra is convention over
> >> configuration.
> >>
> >> Work with a framework that already uses REST for a few weeks and the
> >> naming will become more natural to you and seem less forced.
> >> --
> >> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> >> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
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From scott at guppylog.com  Wed Jul 29 07:47:09 2009
From: scott at guppylog.com (W. Scott Lockwood III)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:47:09 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] ssh issue (likely a brainfail on my part)
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0907281750r6f50524el9192e70d8a088faf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <363936A1EB2FFD49BE272964781DF18C32C1@CORPMAIL2.casham.com>
	<df23ff1b0907281726g4be7bbc7ya867229ac6de9a09@mail.gmail.com>
	<9db93b0e0907281750r6f50524el9192e70d8a088faf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1248871629.15223.2.camel@scott-d630>

Interesting - I will have to try that.

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 19:50 -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
> Also doing:
> 
> ssh -vvv hostname   will give you a better idea on the client side as
> well.



From trainor at transborder.net  Thu Jul 30 10:06:22 2009
From: trainor at transborder.net (Douglas J. Trainor)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:06:22 -0400
Subject: [LUNI] Intel warns over bare-metal BIOS bug
Message-ID: <E1A306B7-111F-4D76-BF5A-D17D8D8B9909@transborder.net>

Bios update time for some folks:

	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/intel_bios_security_bug/

From samir at esamir.com  Thu Jul 30 11:41:19 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:41:19 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fake Link Connection?
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>

So,

   this is slightly work related, but I was curious if anyone knew if this
was possible, and if so how.

We have a setup where you have a:

laptop ------physical link     --------SS -------- switch --------cloud

so basically the SS (special switch, named by yours truly for lack of a
better name) is just an on off switch that's enabled at a particular time
that allows the laptop to broadcast.  The time it takes for the laptop to
realize it has a link before it can send is too long, (1-2 seconds), what
we're trying to do is make the network card think it's always connected, so
it'll skip the check for link, and just send data as soon as the SS is
flipped.

I was looking at the e1000 driver for the past few days trying to change it
to always be up, but it seems that's not feasible per Intel gurus.  I was
wondering if anyone had any ideas that might be helpful.

about the only Linux relevance to all this is that all laptops are infested
with penguins, doing the penguins dance whenever there is any computing
activity to be done.

-- 
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*insert title*
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From ken at stox.org  Thu Jul 30 12:51:37 2009
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:51:37 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fake Link Connection?
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1248976297.20767.13.camel@stox.dyndns.org>

You might be able to pull this off on an interface that has downloadable
firmware and hacking the interface between the controller and PHY. I
don't know of any on laptops that have this feature.


From seva at glivorem.com  Thu Jul 30 13:21:57 2009
From: seva at glivorem.com (Seva Epsteyn)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:21:57 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fake Link Connection?
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ef7d2be0907301121y6b863f08i28e4496f10fa63c2@mail.gmail.com>

I thought this was already resolved by putting a dumb hub on each side
of the cut off switch?

Seva

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:41, Samir Faci<samir at esamir.com> wrote:
> So,
>
> ?? this is slightly work related, but I was curious if anyone knew if this
> was possible, and if so how.
>
> We have a setup where you have a:
>
> laptop ------physical link???? --------SS -------- switch --------cloud
>
> so basically the SS (special switch, named by yours truly for lack of a
> better name) is just an on off switch that's enabled at a particular time
> that allows the laptop to broadcast.? The time it takes for the laptop to
> realize it has a link before it can send is too long, (1-2 seconds), what
> we're trying to do is make the network card think it's always connected, so
> it'll skip the check for link, and just send data as soon as the SS is
> flipped.
>
> I was looking at the e1000 driver for the past few days trying to change it
> to always be up, but it seems that's not feasible per Intel gurus.? I was
> wondering if anyone had any ideas that might be helpful.
>
> about the only Linux relevance to all this is that all laptops are infested
> with penguins, doing the penguins dance whenever there is any computing
> activity to be done.
>
> --
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> `fortune`
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>

From tim at wielgos.com  Thu Jul 30 14:01:41 2009
From: tim at wielgos.com (Timothy J. Wielgos)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:01:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
Message-ID: <901123.11496.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I sent this from the wrong account earlier... oops....

You all seen this?  

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL

It
seems that the lead maintainer of CentOS has taken off, and all the
money and resources are still in his posession, unobtainable by the
rest of the group.

Kind of puts me in a bad position, because I
(among others) convinced my boss to throw CentOS on a lot of machines
that we don't really need RHEL style support for.

So I was looking in to Scientific Linux,
which seems to be Fermilab/CERN/etc's re-rolling of CentOS.  Any of you
Fermilab guys out there know what the differences are between CentOS
and Scientific?

Thanks,
Tim
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From seva at glivorem.com  Thu Jul 30 14:55:10 2009
From: seva at glivorem.com (Seva Epsteyn)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:55:10 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
In-Reply-To: <901123.11496.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <901123.11496.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2ef7d2be0907301255u3a3030cctcf86e3bf976249db@mail.gmail.com>

That's strange, but it's probably a bit early to start panicking, as
you can always download the updates as source RPMS from
ftp://ftp.redhat.com and build and host them yourself.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 14:01, Timothy J. Wielgos<tim at wielgos.com> wrote:
> I sent this from the wrong account earlier... oops....
>
> You all seen this?
>
> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL
>
> It seems that the lead maintainer of CentOS has taken off, and all the money
> and resources are still in his posession, unobtainable by the rest of the
> group.
>
> Kind of puts me in a bad position, because I (among others) convinced my
> boss to throw CentOS on a lot of machines that we don't really need RHEL
> style support for.
>
> So I was looking in to Scientific Linux, which seems to be
> Fermilab/CERN/etc's re-rolling of CentOS.? Any of you Fermilab guys out
> there know what the differences are between CentOS and Scientific?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
>

From csieh at fnal.gov  Thu Jul 30 15:00:36 2009
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:00:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
In-Reply-To: <901123.11496.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <901123.11496.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0907301450280.17351@flxi07.fnal.gov>



On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Timothy J. Wielgos wrote:

> I sent this from the wrong account earlier... oops....
>
> You all seen this?
>
> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL
>
> It
> seems that the lead maintainer of CentOS has taken off, and all the
> money and resources are still in his posession, unobtainable by the
> rest of the group.
>
> Kind of puts me in a bad position, because I
> (among others) convinced my boss to throw CentOS on a lot of machines
> that we don't really need RHEL style support for.
>
> So I was looking in to Scientific Linux,
> which seems to be Fermilab/CERN/etc's re-rolling of CentOS.  Any of you

Scientific Linux is not a re-roll of Centos.  It is a independent rebuild. 
The reason is that in 1998 Fermi Lab needed a Linux to run on it's 
computing clusters.  RedHat was selected at the time.  It was free then. 
Fermi took the free RedHat and added/changed a few things and created 
Fermi Linux. Cern did basically the same thing.  Then RedHat went the 
subscription route.  Fermi decided to rebuild the new RHEL into Fermi 
Linux which morphed into Scientific Linux when CERN and others joined in. 
All of these events happened before Centos was released.


> Fermilab guys out there know what the differences are between CentOS > and Scientific?
>

Centos does not add anything to the base release.  They have additions but 
they are in other repositories.   They come out of the box very RHEL 
compatible.  Centos has a strong wiki.

Scientific Linux makes some changes.  We may fix a rpm that is very 
broken.  We may add a few packages that are useful to our scientific 
audience.  Each of our releases has a SL.releasenote that describes what 
we have changed.

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5x/i386/SL.releasenote

This is the release note for the current SL 5 release.

I have to say that I think Centos will continue but with a different url.

> Thanks, > Tim
>

Connie Sieh
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Scientific Linux Co Lead Developer

From luni at pyewacket.org  Thu Jul 30 15:35:23 2009
From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:35:23 -0700
Subject: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
Message-ID: <20090730133523.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0faeb2b13f.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

Has anyone checked to see if he is hiking the Appalachian trail?
;-)

- Mike Scott

   -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: Re: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
 From: Connie Sieh <csieh at fnal.gov>
 Date: Thu, July 30, 2009 3:00 pm
 To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion"
 <luni at luni.org>
 
 
 
 On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Timothy J. Wielgos wrote:
 
 > I sent this from the wrong account earlier... oops....
 >
 > You all seen this?
 >
 >
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL
 >
 > It
 > seems that the lead maintainer of CentOS has taken off, and all the
 > money and resources are still in his posession, unobtainable by the
 > rest of the group.
 >
 > Kind of puts me in a bad position, because I
 > (among others) convinced my boss to throw CentOS on a lot of machines
 > that we don't really need RHEL style support for.
 >
 > So I was looking in to Scientific Linux,
 > which seems to be Fermilab/CERN/etc's re-rolling of CentOS. Any of
you
 
 Scientific Linux is not a re-roll of Centos. It is a independent
rebuild. 
 The reason is that in 1998 Fermi Lab needed a Linux to run on it's 
 computing clusters. RedHat was selected at the time. It was free then. 
 Fermi took the free RedHat and added/changed a few things and created 
 Fermi Linux. Cern did basically the same thing. Then RedHat went the 
 subscription route. Fermi decided to rebuild the new RHEL into Fermi 
 Linux which morphed into Scientific Linux when CERN and others joined
in. 
 All of these events happened before Centos was released.
 
 
 > Fermilab guys out there know what the differences are between CentOS
> and Scientific?
 >
 
 Centos does not add anything to the base release. They have additions
but 
 they are in other repositories. They come out of the box very RHEL 
 compatible. Centos has a strong wiki.
 
 Scientific Linux makes some changes. We may fix a rpm that is very 
 broken. We may add a few packages that are useful to our scientific 
 audience. Each of our releases has a SL.releasenote that describes what

 we have changed.
 
 ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5x/i386/SL.releasenote
 
 This is the release note for the current SL 5 release.
 
 I have to say that I think Centos will continue but with a different
url.
 
 > Thanks, > Tim
 >
 
 Connie Sieh
 Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
 Scientific Linux Co Lead Developer
 -- 
 Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion 
 http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni


From csieh at fnal.gov  Thu Jul 30 15:58:46 2009
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:58:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
In-Reply-To: <2ef7d2be0907301255u3a3030cctcf86e3bf976249db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <901123.11496.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2ef7d2be0907301255u3a3030cctcf86e3bf976249db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0907301557330.17351@flxi07.fnal.gov>



On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Seva Epsteyn wrote:

> That's strange, but it's probably a bit early to start panicking, as
> you can always download the updates as source RPMS from
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com and build and host them yourself.

Not strange.  He has not responded to requests for where the money that is 
collected via ad's and donations went.  Money can do that.

-Connie Sieh
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 14:01, Timothy J. Wielgos<tim at wielgos.com> wrote:
>> I sent this from the wrong account earlier... oops....
>>
>> You all seen this?
>>
>> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL
>>
>> It seems that the lead maintainer of CentOS has taken off, and all the money
>> and resources are still in his posession, unobtainable by the rest of the
>> group.
>>
>> Kind of puts me in a bad position, because I (among others) convinced my
>> boss to throw CentOS on a lot of machines that we don't really need RHEL
>> style support for.
>>
>> So I was looking in to Scientific Linux, which seems to be
>> Fermilab/CERN/etc's re-rolling of CentOS.? Any of you Fermilab guys out
>> there know what the differences are between CentOS and Scientific?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>>
>>
> -- 
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>

From ken at stox.org  Thu Jul 30 16:22:53 2009
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:22:53 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
In-Reply-To: <20090730133523.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0faeb2b13f.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090730133523.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0faeb2b13f.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <1248988973.3139.3.camel@stox.dyndns.org>

On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 13:35 -0700, Mike Scott wrote:
> Has anyone checked to see if he is hiking the Appalachian trail?
> ;-)

>From the looks of it, he may be Bernie Madoff's long lost son. :(


From jamfish728 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 16:14:43 2009
From: jamfish728 at gmail.com (Jamesha Fisher)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:14:43 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
In-Reply-To: <20090730133523.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0faeb2b13f.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090730133523.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.0faeb2b13f.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <5af2a7c00907301414p47a6d4bat238054865c5f39df@mail.gmail.com>

No...but it's not like they can Check Brazil.

--
Jamesha "JamFish" Fisher



On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Mike Scott <luni at pyewacket.org> wrote:

> Has anyone checked to see if he is hiking the Appalachian trail?
> ;-)
>
> - Mike Scott
>
>   -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: Re: [LUNI] CentOS maintainer goes AWOL
>  From: Connie Sieh <csieh at fnal.gov>
>  Date: Thu, July 30, 2009 3:00 pm
>  To: "Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion"
>  <luni at luni.org>
>
>
>
>  On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Timothy J. Wielgos wrote:
>
>  > I sent this from the wrong account earlier... oops....
>  >
>  > You all seen this?
>  >
>  >
>
> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL
>  >
>  > It
>  > seems that the lead maintainer of CentOS has taken off, and all the
>  > money and resources are still in his posession, unobtainable by the
>  > rest of the group.
>  >
>  > Kind of puts me in a bad position, because I
>  > (among others) convinced my boss to throw CentOS on a lot of machines
>  > that we don't really need RHEL style support for.
>  >
>  > So I was looking in to Scientific Linux,
>  > which seems to be Fermilab/CERN/etc's re-rolling of CentOS. Any of
> you
>
>  Scientific Linux is not a re-roll of Centos. It is a independent
> rebuild.
>  The reason is that in 1998 Fermi Lab needed a Linux to run on it's
>  computing clusters. RedHat was selected at the time. It was free then.
>  Fermi took the free RedHat and added/changed a few things and created
>  Fermi Linux. Cern did basically the same thing. Then RedHat went the
>  subscription route. Fermi decided to rebuild the new RHEL into Fermi
>  Linux which morphed into Scientific Linux when CERN and others joined
> in.
>  All of these events happened before Centos was released.
>
>
>  > Fermilab guys out there know what the differences are between CentOS
> > and Scientific?
>  >
>
>  Centos does not add anything to the base release. They have additions
> but
>  they are in other repositories. They come out of the box very RHEL
>  compatible. Centos has a strong wiki.
>
>  Scientific Linux makes some changes. We may fix a rpm that is very
>  broken. We may add a few packages that are useful to our scientific
>  audience. Each of our releases has a SL.releasenote that describes what
>
>  we have changed.
>
>  ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5x/i386/SL.releasenote
>
>  This is the release note for the current SL 5 release.
>
>  I have to say that I think Centos will continue but with a different
> url.
>
>  > Thanks, > Tim
>  >
>
>  Connie Sieh
>  Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
>  Scientific Linux Co Lead Developer
>  --
>  Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
>  http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>
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From maney at two14.net  Thu Jul 30 18:01:50 2009
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:01:50 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fake Link Connection?
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090730230150.GA25416@furrr.two14.net>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:41:19AM -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
> laptop ------physical link     --------SS -------- switch --------cloud
> 
> so basically the SS (special switch, named by yours truly for lack of a
> better name) is just an on off switch that's enabled at a particular time
> that allows the laptop to broadcast.  The time it takes for the laptop to
> realize it has a link before it can send is too long, (1-2 seconds), what
> we're trying to do is make the network card think it's always connected, so
> it'll skip the check for link, and just send data as soon as the SS is
> flipped.

Sounds like pissing into the wind.  Why don't you just have a cron job
ifup/ifdown the interface?

And, okay, I can't resist: what sort of crackbrained solution to what
is this?  :-)

-- 
automation: replacing what works with something that almost works,
but which is faster and cheaper.  - attributed to Roger Needham


From seva at glivorem.com  Fri Jul 31 00:38:12 2009
From: seva at glivorem.com (Seva Epsteyn)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:38:12 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fake Link Connection?
In-Reply-To: <20090730230150.GA25416@furrr.two14.net>
References: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090730230150.GA25416@furrr.two14.net>
Message-ID: <2ef7d2be0907302238p27c5da2g6b85ea13b02ecc7b@mail.gmail.com>

If this is what I think he is talking about, the situation is the following.

There is a physical switch that cuts the connection between the PC in
the "lock up" and the network connection to the rest of the world.
When certain time comes the PC as allowed to communicate with the rest
of the world by someone flipping the physical switch.

There are actually a few competing companies trying to get the same
financial news information from the "lock up" to the outside in the
automated trading world as fast as possible after the switch is
flipped, so the milliseconds count.

I was passively involved in some of the discussions regarding this,
and the partial solution to this was to insert a hub on each side of
the physical cut-off switch to keep the link state as up, there are
all sorts of other issues related to this that are unrelated to Linux
itself and are not being mentioned.

Seva

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 18:01, Martin Maney<maney at two14.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:41:19AM -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
>> laptop ------physical link ? ? --------SS -------- switch --------cloud
>>
>> so basically the SS (special switch, named by yours truly for lack of a
>> better name) is just an on off switch that's enabled at a particular time
>> that allows the laptop to broadcast. ?The time it takes for the laptop to
>> realize it has a link before it can send is too long, (1-2 seconds), what
>> we're trying to do is make the network card think it's always connected, so
>> it'll skip the check for link, and just send data as soon as the SS is
>> flipped.
>
> Sounds like pissing into the wind. ?Why don't you just have a cron job
> ifup/ifdown the interface?
>
> And, okay, I can't resist: what sort of crackbrained solution to what
> is this? ?:-)
>
> --
> automation: replacing what works with something that almost works,
> but which is faster and cheaper. ?- attributed to Roger Needham
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>

From samir at esamir.com  Fri Jul 31 06:10:15 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:10:15 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fake Link Connection?
In-Reply-To: <2ef7d2be0907302238p27c5da2g6b85ea13b02ecc7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9db93b0e0907300941r294adec9qf354aa08a719ba3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090730230150.GA25416@furrr.two14.net>
	<2ef7d2be0907302238p27c5da2g6b85ea13b02ecc7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907310410l315791felb324178cc6d65757@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, pretty much what Seva mentioned.  I was curious if anyone played
with a scenario similar to that for some reason.

Either ways, this is getting way OT.  Thanks for all your feedback.

--
Samir



On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Seva Epsteyn<seva at glivorem.com> wrote:
> If this is what I think he is talking about, the situation is the following.
>
> There is a physical switch that cuts the connection between the PC in
> the "lock up" and the network connection to the rest of the world.
> When certain time comes the PC as allowed to communicate with the rest
> of the world by someone flipping the physical switch.
>
> There are actually a few competing companies trying to get the same
> financial news information from the "lock up" to the outside in the
> automated trading world as fast as possible after the switch is
> flipped, so the milliseconds count.
>
> I was passively involved in some of the discussions regarding this,
> and the partial solution to this was to insert a hub on each side of
> the physical cut-off switch to keep the link state as up, there are
> all sorts of other issues related to this that are unrelated to Linux
> itself and are not being mentioned.
>
> Seva
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 18:01, Martin Maney<maney at two14.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:41:19AM -0500, Samir Faci wrote:
>>> laptop ------physical link ? ? --------SS -------- switch --------cloud
>>>
>>> so basically the SS (special switch, named by yours truly for lack of a
>>> better name) is just an on off switch that's enabled at a particular time
>>> that allows the laptop to broadcast. ?The time it takes for the laptop to
>>> realize it has a link before it can send is too long, (1-2 seconds), what
>>> we're trying to do is make the network card think it's always connected, so
>>> it'll skip the check for link, and just send data as soon as the SS is
>>> flipped.
>>
>> Sounds like pissing into the wind. ?Why don't you just have a cron job
>> ifup/ifdown the interface?
>>
>> And, okay, I can't resist: what sort of crackbrained solution to what
>> is this? ?:-)
>>
>> --
>> automation: replacing what works with something that almost works,
>> but which is faster and cheaper. ?- attributed to Roger Needham
>>
>> --
>> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
>> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>



-- 
--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
`fortune`

From luni at pyewacket.org  Fri Jul 31 09:27:14 2009
From: luni at pyewacket.org (Mike Scott)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:27:14 -0700
Subject: [LUNI] =?utf-8?q?Fake_Link_Connection=3F?=
Message-ID: <20090731072714.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.dca5243acf.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

Before the thread dies, if I could throw in my 2 cents.

What if instead of breaking the physical connection, you set up a couple
of firewall rules.

1. deny all any any
2. remainder of firewall rules as they would normally exist for the
apps.

Then use cron to disable rule #1 when you want to be on the air and
re-enable it to drop off.

- Mike Scott


From samir at esamir.com  Fri Jul 31 09:51:20 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:51:20 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fake Link Connection?
In-Reply-To: <20090731072714.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.dca5243acf.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090731072714.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.dca5243acf.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0907310751m3e53631ep75a7213367cc3843@mail.gmail.com>

We don't have a choice on how the break happens, but yes that would be
a beautifully simple solution.


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Mike Scott<luni at pyewacket.org> wrote:
> Before the thread dies, if I could throw in my 2 cents.
>
> What if instead of breaking the physical connection, you set up a couple
> of firewall rules.
>
> 1. deny all any any
> 2. remainder of firewall rules as they would normally exist for the
> apps.
>
> Then use cron to disable rule #1 when you want to be on the air and
> re-enable it to drop off.
>
> - Mike Scott
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>



-- 
--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
`fortune`

From seva at glivorem.com  Fri Jul 31 10:09:51 2009
From: seva at glivorem.com (Seva Epsteyn)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:09:51 -0500
Subject: [LUNI] Fake Link Connection?
In-Reply-To: <20090731072714.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.dca5243acf.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090731072714.6095274834031e3691077dcdffae0724.dca5243acf.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <2ef7d2be0907310809g59e14431q2e5cecedd1aed5fa@mail.gmail.com>

The physical cut-off switch is controlled by 3rd party to make sure
that no one cheats and releases the information too early.

This is a bit OT, but it's actually an interesting problem.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 09:27, Mike Scott<luni at pyewacket.org> wrote:
> Before the thread dies, if I could throw in my 2 cents.
>
> What if instead of breaking the physical connection, you set up a couple
> of firewall rules.
>
> 1. deny all any any
> 2. remainder of firewall rules as they would normally exist for the
> apps.
>
> Then use cron to disable rule #1 when you want to be on the air and
> re-enable it to drop off.
>
> - Mike Scott
>
> --
> Linux Users Of Northern Illinois (Chicago) - Technical Discussion
> http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni
>

From beau at open-source-staffing.com  Thu Jul 30 12:38:18 2009
From: beau at open-source-staffing.com (Beau Gould (OSS))
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:38:18 -0000
Subject: [LUNI] [JOB] PHP5 Developer - Telecommute - 60k/year
Message-ID: <02E2A6F1D24243CBB12490128551AFD8@EMACHINE>

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are no benefits at present, but that might change in the future. My
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